lost. toffical season 4 thread

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by Touchdown MSU

forgot about them. thanks.

I think I'm gonna buy seasons 1-3 and watch them over the summer. I'm sure a ton of stuff will make more sense a 2nd go around and will help with the final 2 seasons. Great, great show

i started rewatching with an ex and got midway through season 3 - not much to help you in those seasons except a few "oh that makes that make more sense" crap. just rewatch this season bc this is where everything seems to be breaking down

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Fletch

The best tidbit from Entertainment Weekly's recap:

Does anyone know the code name of the US A-bomb program in the 1950's?

Orchid?

[Grtfmsu]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

- The whole thing with Claire's mom showing up at the funeral and revealing things to Jack seems like it was a bone that the writers threw to the fans who kept harping on it.

I thought there were a couple uncomfortably written parts last night....this was one.

The other was the conversation between Sun and her father. Worst acting of the entire series, even if it was in Korean. Also, a bit hard to swallow.

"Hey dad I've bought a controlling stake in your multi-billion dollar conglomerate with the settlement money the airline gave us instantly"

[Thwack]

Originally Posted by Fletch

The best tidbit from Entertainment Weekly's recap:

Does anyone know the code name of the US A-bomb program in the 1950's?

Operation Greenhouse. I read that - that recap is almost hard to read this week because he goes into so much detailed theory and possibilities.

[MiamiSpartan]

So have you guys finally come to the realization that there is little, if any, significant time difference between the island and the real world?

My theory (to explain Aarons age in the flash forwards) that it took a long time in real world/island time, but seemingly normal time to those traveling seems to not fit. However, that still seems to fit between the island and the boat, but not beyond that.

We know that it took Sayid at least 2-3 days to get to the island in the boat (in island time). How do we know this? Because Jack told Sawyer that he had his appendix out a couple of days ago. Didn't Jack first collapse after they found the doctor's body washed up on shore? And it was right after that that Faraday sent the morse code to the boat, and right after that Sayid left on the boat. So perhaps Faraday won't be back all that soon, which could lead to further distrust of him, Charlotte, and the asian dude (though misguided this time). So they are staying consistent with this time disruption when going between the island and the boat.

I still say it's a writer's mistake about the heading. If Faraday told Frank to go on 3-0-5 to get from the island TO the boat, and Frank told Sayid to go on 3-0-5 to get from the boat to the island, then Sayid would have to be heading in the opposite direction of the island. There can not be the same bearing to go in two different directions, unless they try to throw in some weird "island caused it" thing, but I'm not sure how they'd explain that. If someone with knowledge on navigation can explain this otherwise, I'd gladly listen.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by PortlandSpartan

Orchid?

Close - Operation Greenhouse.

[Touchdown MSU]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

So have you guys finally come to the realization that there is little, if any, significant time difference between the island and the real world?

My theory (to explain Aarons age in the flash forwards) that it took a long time in real world/island time, but seemingly normal time to those traveling seems to not fit. However, that still seems to fit between the island and the boat, but not beyond that.

We know that it took Sayid at least 2-3 days to get to the island in the boat (in island time). How do we know this? Because Jack told Sawyer that he had his appendix out a couple of days ago. Didn't Jack first collapse after they found the doctor's body washed up on shore? And it was right after that that Faraday sent the morse code to the boat, and right after that Sayid left on the boat. So perhaps Faraday won't be back all that soon, which could lead to further distrust of him, Charlotte, and the asian dude (though misguided this time). So they are staying consistent with this time disruption when going between the island and the boat.

I still say it's a writer's mistake about the heading. If Faraday told Frank to go on 3-0-5 to get from the island TO the boat, and Frank told Sayid to go on 3-0-5 to get from the boat to the island, then Sayid would have to be heading in the opposite direction of the island. There can not be the same bearing to go in two different directions, unless they try to throw in some weird "island caused it" thing, but I'm not sure how they'd explain that. If someone with knowledge on navigation can explain this otherwise, I'd gladly listen.

honest question- do you take notes during the show?

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Grtfmsu

I thought there were a couple uncomfortably written parts last night....this was one.

The other was the conversation between Sun and her father. Worst acting of the entire series, even if it was in Korean. Also, a bit hard to swallow.

"Hey dad I've bought a controlling stake in your multi-billion dollar conglomerate with the settlement money the airline gave us instantly"

Yeah I can not imagine how any sort of settlement could be enough to buy a controlling stake in an auto company. Especially since they would have to multiply that by 6 (maybe 5 if they didn't count Aaron) to come up with how much Oceanic paid out. Are we supposed to believe that Oceanic paid out billions of dollars to the six?

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

Yeah I can not imagine how any sort of settlement could be enough to buy a controlling stake in an auto company. Especially since they would have to multiply that by 6 (maybe 5 if they didn't count Aaron) to come up with how much Oceanic paid out. Are we supposed to believe that Oceanic paid out billions of dollars to the six?

Wasn't one of her Dad's henchmen saying something about "we don't know how it happened - it came from five different banks..." as she walked in? There has to be more of a back story on how she got her hands on that much money beyond just the Oceanic settlement. Methinks Sun is working for Ben for the same reasons Sayid is - to get revenge for the loss of her loved one.

[WBill]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

Yeah I can not imagine how any sort of settlement could be enough to buy a controlling stake in an auto company. Especially since they would have to multiply that by 6 (maybe 5 if they didn't count Aaron) to come up with how much Oceanic paid out. Are we supposed to believe that Oceanic paid out billions of dollars to the six?

That part wasn't credible at all. A settlement the size needed to purchase "controlling interest' would make Hurley's lottery winnings look small and they seemed to make a point about him reclaiming that money.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Wasn't one of her Dad's henchmen saying something about "we don't know how it happened - it came from five different banks..." as she walked in? There has to be more of a back story on how she got her hands on that much money beyond just the Oceanic settlement. Methinks Sun is working for Ben for the same reasons Sayid is - to get revenge for the loss of her loved one.

Exactly. The story isn't over on that one.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by WBill

That part wasn't credible at all. A settlement the size needed to purchase "controlling interest' would make Hurley's lottery winnings look small and they seemed to make a point about him reclaiming that money.

not if controlling interest was so scattered. controlling interest only has to be majority. that could be... 11% if the shares are so scattered

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by PortlandSpartan

Exactly. The story isn't over on that one.

Or, she could find herself on the opposite side of the battle and Ben could be the other person she blames for Jin's death, which would mean she would be aligned with someone who would most definitely have access to enough capital to take over Daddy's business - Charles Widmore.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Touchdown MSU

honest question- do you take notes during the show?

LOL. No, I swear to God, I don't take notes, never re-watch an episode, and never go to Lostpedia or other blogs. This thread is the extent of it. But as I've read a lot of theories here and formulated my ow, I find myself always thinking how this scene or that scene fit in (or don't fit in) with some of them.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Wasn't one of her Dad's henchmen saying something about "we don't know how it happened - it came from five different banks..." as she walked in? There has to be more of a back story on how she got her hands on that much money beyond just the Oceanic settlement. Methinks Sun is working for Ben for the same reasons Sayid is - to get revenge for the loss of her loved one.

ben doesnt emerge to lay stake on sayid's revenge until 9 months or so after they get off the island. i believe the guys talking to him are reiterating that a controlling interest has been bought. that's why he believes her immediately.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by tenaciousb

they're obviously letting her keep the kid - the writers aren't going to include something that suddenly, four years down the road real time crumbles. aaron is the he that kate refers to in the airport scene of wondering where she is. kate and jack had gotten away with the lie for more than a year after returning when he does is flash forward of joining her in the shower, etc, so the "we have to go back" is possibly 2+ years ahead.

Kate seems to have no intention of going back to the island now that she has Aaron to look after. But, I think that's where they'll all end up.

One possible way to get her to want to return is to have an investigative reporter start asking questions about Aaron. Perhaps, she then would decide to take Aaron and run.

Just a thought.....

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

So have you guys finally come to the realization that there is little, if any, significant time difference between the island and the real world?

My theory (to explain Aarons age in the flash forwards) that it took a long time in real world/island time, but seemingly normal time to those traveling seems to not fit. However, that still seems to fit between the island and the boat, but not beyond that.

We know that it took Sayid at least 2-3 days to get to the island in the boat (in island time). How do we know this? Because Jack told Sawyer that he had his appendix out a couple of days ago. Didn't Jack first collapse after they found the doctor's body washed up on shore? And it was right after that that Faraday sent the morse code to the boat, and right after that Sayid left on the boat. So perhaps Faraday won't be back all that soon, which could lead to further distrust of him, Charlotte, and the asian dude (though misguided this time). So they are staying consistent with this time disruption when going between the island and the boat.

I still say it's a writer's mistake about the heading. If Faraday told Frank to go on 3-0-5 to get from the island TO the boat, and Frank told Sayid to go on 3-0-5 to get from the boat to the island, then Sayid would have to be heading in the opposite direction of the island. There can not be the same bearing to go in two different directions, unless they try to throw in some weird "island caused it" thing, but I'm not sure how they'd explain that. If someone with knowledge on navigation can explain this otherwise, I'd gladly listen.

couldnt the bearing be the exact same if he's leaving from a different side of the boat?

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Or, she could find herself on the opposite side of the battle and Ben could be the other person she blames for Jin's death, which would mean she would be aligned with someone who would most definitely have access to enough capital to take over Daddy's business - Charles Widmore.

Or, perhaps Hurley's money?

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by tenaciousb

i believe the guys talking to him are reiterating that a controlling interest has been bought. that's why he believes her immediately.

That was my point.

Sun didn't obtain a controlling stake in the company with a few mil from Oceanic. Someone is staking her, and if you believe the entire show and its players are a battle between Ben and Widmore, chances are it's one of them.

[Jovi]

Originally Posted by Jovi

Or, perhaps Hurley's money?

Actually, I kind of like this thought, as the money kind of would come full circle and be used for a very specific purpose relating to the island.

So Hurley won the money so that Sun could acquire her father's company so that................

[Touchdown MSU]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

LOL. No, I swear to God, I don't take notes, never re-watch an episode, and never go to Lostpedia or other blogs. This thread is the extent of it. But as I've read a lot of theories here and formulated my ow, I find myself always thinking how this scene or that scene fit in (or don't fit in) with some of them.

good stuff. of all the aspects of the show that I don't have a good grip on yet it's the time/mind travel stuff. and you seem to have a good handle on it

what's so cool about this show is that it can appeal to someone like my wife who can't suspend real world belief one iota and gets "LOST" with all the scientific angles of the show but at the same time it appeal to sci-fi junkies. or more than likely she just has the hots for Jack