lost. toffical season 4 thread

[Packer487]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

And the producers have confirmed that Christian Shepherd is physically dead. They confirmed that last year.

So are you saying that Christian is in purgatory then?

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Packer487

So are you saying that Christian is in purgatory then?

Another stab at that lame joke?

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, KATE WAS NOT TALKING TO SAWYER ON THE PHONE. THAT IS A ****ING INSANE IDEA.

Reel it in Ozy ... go to bed.

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I can understand Christian Shepherd being on that island before, but he is NOT Jacob. He ****ing said it himself. Once again, Snoop doesn't pay attention to all the details.

Thanks for getting my back.

Ozy ... I know he is not Jacob ... but my inkling that Christian was still a major part of the goings-on was dead-on and my assertion that he WAS Jacob way back then was more accurate than your continued "he is dead ... get over it" stance. You, in typical fashion, dismissed it because he was "dead".

I assume now that your habit of taking things at face value in regards to Lost have waned a bit? I would say that those of us that actually opened our minds to more "extraordinary" explanations/theories were more intune to this show than you were.

Anyone can go to lostpedia and surmise what will happen next (which you obviously do) ... but I would guess that I and others would be more accurate in theorizing what will happen toward the end of NEXT season.

I could pull up countless ozy-rebuttles to my "crazy" theories that would cause you to back-peddle ... but I won't because I know you know the score.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Reel it in Ozy ... go to bed.

What would make people think that Kate was talking to Sawyer? Just because she was doing a favor for him doesn't mean she was talking to him on the phone.

Here is what Kate said when she was on the phone: "Jack's never home before 8...I can stay for at least an hour." What makes anyone think she is talking to Sawyer?

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

What would make people think that Kate was talking to Sawyer? Just because she was doing a favor for him doesn't mean she was talking to him on the phone.

Here is what Kate said when she was on the phone: "Jack's never home before 8...I can stay for at least an hour." What makes anyone think she is talking to Sawyer?

Oh, I don't think she was talking to Sawyer Ozy. I'm sure she was talking to someone in an attempt to make-good on a request from Sawyer. It was just the full caps response from you ... obviously frustrated and demeaning ... that I took offense to.

Stop being so up-tight my short-sighted friend.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Ozy ... I know he is not Jacob ... but my inkling that Christian was still a major part of the goings-on was dead-on and my assertion that he WAS Jacob way back then was more accurate than your continued "he is dead ... get over it" stance. You, in typical fashion, dismissed it because he was "dead".

I assume now that your habit of taking things at face value in regards to Lost have waned a bit? I would say that those of us that actually opened our minds to more "extraordinary" explanations/theories were more intune to this show than you were.

Anyone can go to lostpedia and surmise what will happen next (which you obviously do) ... but I would guess that I and others would be more accurate in theorizing what will happen toward the end of NEXT season.

I could pull up countless ozy-rebuttles to my "crazy" theories that would cause you to back-peddle ... but I won't because I know you know the score.

- You said that you thought Christian was Jacob. You also said that you think Christian is integral to the fabric of the show. You were wrong on the first part (although you deny saying it), but correct on the second part.

- He is physically DEAD. The producers have confirmed it, that is canon. Since you won't believe me, here is what they have said on the matter:

Originally Posted by Lostpedia

Christian's death, though not shown on-screen, has been confirmed in a Official LOST podcast (April 20, 2007 Edition). However, in later statements the creators of Lost qualified their statement by saying that they "may be using the word 'dead' in a sense we (the audience) don't fully understand yet." Even further clarification was received in "Access: Granted", when Carlton Cuse stated "In terms of actually physically corporally in existence... he's dead".

So yes, he still exists in some measure, but he won't pop up and actually be alive.

- I don't base what I say just from Lostpedia. It is a great resource, but I also base it on my own observations while viewing, what the people involved in the show (especially Cuse and Lindelof) are saying and discussions with other fans.

- I would love to see where you have made predictions about what will happen at the end of NEXT season.

- Oh, and go ahead and dig them up. Your whole "two Desmonds at the stadium" argument is false because those involved with the show have said that there hasn't been any physical time travel on the show so far. Desmond's consciousness traveled in time, not his actual body.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Oh, I don't think she was talking to Sawyer Ozy. I'm sure she was talking to someone in an attempt to make-good on a request from Sawyer. It was just the full caps response from you ... obviously frustrated and demeaning ... that I took offense to.

Stop being so up-tight my short-sighted friend.

I used caps because I was ****ing baffled that someone would make that assertion and act as if it was true. They tossed it out there like they were saying the stove is hot.

[shioda]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I used caps because I was ****ing baffled that someone would make that assertion and act as if it was true. They tossed it out there like they were saying the stove is hot.

Actually that is not true at all. You used all caps because you are a total a##hole who misread my reply, which merely corrected someone else that stated a call could not be made to the island because ATT is not on the island.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by shioda

Actually that is not true at all. You used all caps because you are a total a##hole who misread my reply, which merely corrected someone else that stated a call could not be made to the island because ATT is not on the island.

I was shocked that anyone would give that idea the time of day. My attitude is more directed at Nommad.

Do you think she was talking to Sawyer?

[shioda]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I was shocked that anyone would give that idea the time of day. My attitude is more directed at Nommad.

Do you think she was talking to Sawyer?

No. I don't.

[DantonIzzo]

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by shioda

No. I don't.

Thank you

[Big M]

I see little has changed around here

[CORNER BLITZ]

[Bolley]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

- You said that you thought Christian was Jacob. You also said that you think Christian is integral to the fabric of the show. You were wrong on the first part (although you deny saying it), but correct on the second part.

- He is physically DEAD. The producers have confirmed it, that is canon. Since you won't believe me, here is what they have said on the matter:


So yes, he still exists in some measure, but he won't pop up and actually be alive.

- I don't base what I say just from Lostpedia. It is a great resource, but I also base it on my own observations while viewing, what the people involved in the show (especially Cuse and Lindelof) are saying and discussions with other fans.

- I would love to see where you have made predictions about what will happen at the end of NEXT season.

- Oh, and go ahead and dig them up. Your whole "two Desmonds at the stadium" argument is false because those involved with the show have said that there hasn't been any physical time travel on the show so far. Desmond's consciousness traveled in time, not his actual body.

i hope ozy aint so pompy ass that he miss point an cause thik headed an cause think he lost expert an cause always rite an cause he like lecture evrybody on fax only cause they aint fax cause they ozy fax an cause his fax aint fax cause they aint

























but he is

[Fletch]

Another Ozy meltdown.

[spartyon75]

I think I finally have a handle on this show in regards to Time.

Ok, Faraday did his missle experiment, and it showed a 31 minute delay in the island vs off island events.

then on something nice back home, the doctor washes up on shore, and is dead, but is alive on the boat, according to the morris code messages, and reconfirmed last week in cabin fever.

then take a look at the looped message from horace, he cut down that tree multiple times in that sequence.

I think, at that point the island was crossing over in time from the "past" to the future.

I also think the island has been "moving" itself all along, and the whole finale will entail how Ben has set people up to die in a massacre to regain control of the island.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Ozy ... I know he is not Jacob ... but my inkling that Christian was still a major part of the goings-on was dead-on and my assertion that he WAS Jacob way back then was more accurate than your continued "he is dead ... get over it" stance. You, in typical fashion, dismissed it because he was "dead".

I assume now that your habit of taking things at face value in regards to Lost have waned a bit? I would say that those of us that actually opened our minds to more "extraordinary" explanations/theories were more intune to this show than you were.

Anyone can go to lostpedia and surmise what will happen next (which you obviously do) ... but I would guess that I and others would be more accurate in theorizing what will happen toward the end of NEXT season.

I could pull up countless ozy-rebuttles to my "crazy" theories that would cause you to back-peddle ... but I won't because I know you know the score.

just because they chose Christian to speak for the island doesnt mean he is a "major part" of the happenings. he might just be the one person in real life who had enough web connectors or just was chosen bc he's jack's dad.

actually, i like that way more than any of your half-assed theories. jack's trying to get everyone off the island, which goes against what the island wants. so the island chose jack's one true foil: his father.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by spartyon75

I also think the island has been "moving" itself all along, and the whole finale will entail how Ben has set people up to die in a massacre to regain control of the island.

that would kill viewership because even i would be like "**** you ABC" for that one. build all of these confrontations and show he's directly against these people trying to kill everyone, even allowing his daughter to be killed, and then pull a "gotcha." Lost doesn't pull "gotchas"

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by spartyon75

I think I finally have a handle on this show in regards to Time.

Ok, Faraday did his missle experiment, and it showed a 31 minute delay in the island vs off island events.

then on something nice back home, the doctor washes up on shore, and is dead, but is alive on the boat, according to the morris code messages, and reconfirmed last week in cabin fever.

then take a look at the looped message from horace, he cut down that tree multiple times in that sequence.

I think, at that point the island was crossing over in time from the "past" to the future.

I also think the island has been "moving" itself all along, and the whole finale will entail how Ben has set people up to die in a massacre to regain control of the island.

Not sure you can use Horace cutting down the tree in your theory, since it was in a dream.