lost. toffical season 4 thread

[spartyon75]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Great point! Nice work. So has the island been gradually moving toward this point (moving from the "past" to the "future") and has finally reached the crossing-point ... or can the island continually move back and forth?

I may be off on the whole theory of the massacre, but the time thing I'm almost certain on.

For as much as this show has been about symmetry, I think the whole crossing over thing has happened, and we've seen proof of this on the last few shows.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by spartyon75

I wouldn't so much view it as a dream. More so I would view it as a message that the island delivered to Locke.

Yes...while he was asleep...so it was delivered in the form of a dream.

[InsideOutSpartan]

OK, so I absolutely love LOST and think it is the best thing on television, but somehow Ozy and Snoop have made talking with other fans about a completely unappetizing affair.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

OK, so I absolutely love LOST and think it is the best thing on television, but somehow Ozy and Snoop have made talking with other fans about a completely unappetizing affair.

I love talking about the show, but when people toss out insane ideas like Kate was talking to Sawyer on the phone, it boggles my mind.

[joey1572]

Originally Posted by spartyon75

I may be off on the whole theory of the massacre, but the time thing I'm almost certain on.

For as much as this show has been about symmetry, I think the whole crossing over thing has happened, and we've seen proof of this on the last few shows.

The island moves abruptly, not slowly. We have proof in small hints they have given us, i.e the black rock being in the middle of the island.

[shioda]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I love talking about the show, but when people toss out insane ideas like Kate was talking to Sawyer on the phone, it boggles my mind.

Given the nature of the show, most likely it is Ben or someone associated with Ben

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by shioda

Given the nature of the show, most likely it is Ben or someone associated with Ben

I still think people are looking for way too much. She said she was doing a favor for Sawyer, so I think it dealt with his past rather than any big thing involving Ben.

[InsideOutSpartan]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I love talking about the show, but when people toss out insane ideas like Kate was talking to Sawyer on the phone, it boggles my mind.

Thank you for actually addressing what I said. Not enough people do that on here. I understand what you are saying but if I had a dollar for every insane theory that I have heard or that has floated through my head I would be a rich man. Some people just don't have a filter. Anyway, a few questions for everyone since I don't feel like sifting through the morass of pages on this:

1) Do you think Locke meant move the island through time or space or both?

2) How long do you think the island will keep Michael alive?

3) Is Claire dead or alive?

4) Are Penny and Desmond Adam and Eve?

My thoughts: Time, Rightup until Michael realizes he wants to live...probably something having to do with Walt, dead, yes.

Thanks for your time.

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Are you kidding me? I really think you are trolling here. It was a dream.

Not trolling at all. You just aren't getting it man. A dream on Lost can be an actual purposful message ... don't you think? Please tell me you can fathom this.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

1) Do you think Locke meant move the island through time or space or both?

2) How long do you think the island will keep Michael alive?

3) Is Claire dead or alive?

4) Are Penny and Desmond Adam and Eve?

1. Time.
2. As with all of the island folk, he'll stay alive until he's fulfilled his specific destiny (see: Charlie).
3. Dead.
4. No.

Hopefully none of my answers cause Ozy to smash his "CAPS LOCK" button or have a stroke.

[spartyon75]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

Thank you for actually addressing what I said. Not enough people do that on here. I understand what you are saying but if I had a dollar for every insane theory that I have heard or that has floated through my head I would be a rich man. Some people just don't have a filter. Anyway, a few questions for everyone since I don't feel like sifting through the morass of pages on this:

1) Do you think Locke meant move the island through time or space or both?

2) How long do you think the island will keep Michael alive?

3) Is Claire dead or alive?

4) Are Penny and Desmond Adam and Eve?

My thoughts: Time, Rightup until Michael realizes he wants to live...probably something having to do with Walt, dead, yes.

Thanks for your time.

1. Locke meant in time, and I also think the sequence at the cabin with claire/christian occured before the doctor washed up on shore, and that the island has already moved, when we see the doctor wash up on shore.

2. I think the island will keep Michael alive until the message changes from "Not Yet" to "Now", then he starts the bomb, and the boat, and everyone on it explode.

3. Claire is alive.

4. No.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

Thank you for actually addressing what I said. Not enough people do that on here. I understand what you are saying but if I had a dollar for every insane theory that I have heard or that has floated through my head I would be a rich man. Some people just don't have a filter. Anyway, a few questions for everyone since I don't feel like sifting through the morass of pages on this:

1) Do you think Locke meant move the island through time or space or both?

2) How long do you think the island will keep Michael alive?

3) Is Claire dead or alive?

4) Are Penny and Desmond Adam and Eve?

My thoughts: Time, Rightup until Michael realizes he wants to live...probably something having to do with Walt, dead, yes.

Thanks for your time.

1) I think both...mainly space, but probably both (cuz that will tie in with #4)

2) Since I am now thinking that Michael was the person in the coffin, probably until wherever last year's finale flash-forward falls in the timeline.

3) Dead

4) EDIT: No...I'm thinking that it is Jake & Kate

[PisPotPete]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Hopefully none of my answers cause Ozy to smash his "CAPS LOCK" button or have a stroke.

I'm actually hoping they do. I love it when Bolley has to show up and restore order in his official lost thread!

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

OK, so I absolutely love LOST and think it is the best thing on television, but somehow Ozy and Snoop have made talking with other fans about a completely unappetizing affair.

I appologize for making this unappetizing ... I actually only post in here in spurts ... apparently this spurt has made you ill. I suggest you take some tums.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Snoop

Not trolling at all. You just aren't getting it man. A dream on Lost can be an actual purposful message ... don't you think? Please tell me you can fathom this.

I believe it was a message from the island, but it was given to Locke while he was asleep. Your previous comment made it sound like it could have actually happened.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I gave up on this show after the November break in 2006. Did I miss anything?

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by InsideOutSpartan

Thank you for actually addressing what I said. Not enough people do that on here. I understand what you are saying but if I had a dollar for every insane theory that I have heard or that has floated through my head I would be a rich man. Some people just don't have a filter. Anyway, a few questions for everyone since I don't feel like sifting through the morass of pages on this:

1) Do you think Locke meant move the island through time or space or both?

2) How long do you think the island will keep Michael alive?

3) Is Claire dead or alive?

4) Are Penny and Desmond Adam and Eve?

My thoughts: Time, Rightup until Michael realizes he wants to live...probably something having to do with Walt, dead, yes.

Thanks for your time.

Good questions.

1. Time
2. He will die when his destiny is fulfilled. No idea what his destiny is yet ...
3. Dead
4. No

[Snoop]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I believe it was a message from the island, but it was given to Locke while he was asleep. Your previous comment made it sound like it could have actually happened.

Please re-read my previous comment.

Gotta skate for now. Good stuff on here today though...

[MattR644]

Originally Posted by spartyon75

I think I finally have a handle on this show in regards to Time.

Ok, Faraday did his missle experiment, and it showed a 31 minute delay in the island vs off island events.

then on something nice back home, the doctor washes up on shore, and is dead, but is alive on the boat, according to the morris code messages, and reconfirmed last week in cabin fever.

then take a look at the looped message from horace, he cut down that tree multiple times in that sequence.

I think, at that point the island was crossing over in time from the "past" to the future.

I also think the island has been "moving" itself all along, and the whole finale will entail how Ben has set people up to die in a massacre to regain control of the island.

What I don't get is how the Doc's body washes up on shore before Sayid gets back to the Island in his boat.

[MattR644]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I'm gonna guess that the previous leader on the island had recently died and Alpert thought that young John was the reincarnation of said leader. I think he wanted him to pick the comic book (which mentioned "Hidden Land" or something of that nature), to symbolize the island.

The book is interesting too. Some stuff I read on another site:

Now the Book of Laws or Kitab-i-Aqbas is the most important text to the Baha'i faith, which a few people have pointed out. You can read a synopsis of it here: Bahá'í Reference Library - The Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Page 165

What I find more interesting is the religion itself, which I knew little about. Here are a few notes from religionfacts.com (quotes from that site as well):

-Every religion is equally important because each was founded by a messenger from the same God. "Progressive Revelation" basically means that God has slowly over time made himself known in different ways to different people in whatever ways were appropriate for that time - thus, different religions were formed.

-There was no original sin and Satan does not exist. People who become evil have done so of their own free will.

-Humanity will never understand God. We only know little pieces from what God's manifestations have told us (Jesus, Buddha, etc.).

-The worst "sin" (though they don't use that term) is PRIDE. "The prideful person feels in absolute control of his life and the circumstances surrounding it and he seeks power and dominance over others because such power helps him maintain this illusion of superiority."

-About the afterlife:
"Thus Bahá'ís do not regard heaven and hell as literal places but as different states of being during one's spiritual journey toward or away from God.

Bahá'ís understand the spiritual world to be a timeless and placeless extension of our own universe--and not some physically remote or removed place.

But beyond this, the exact nature of the afterlife remains a mystery. Bahá'u'lláh wrote, "The nature of the soul after death can never be described." "


In general, the religion focuses on world peace and teaches that all of humanity's problems are due to spiritual problems. Every so often, a new manifestation of God is chosen to deliver more information to us. They also believe that science and religion are harmonious.

[spartyon75]

Originally Posted by MattR644

What I don't get is how the Doc's body washes up on shore before Sayid gets back to the Island in his boat.

I think it demonstrates the abrupt time/space shifts that occur. Like how the black rock boat is in the middle of the island.