lost. toffical season 4 thread

[Ari Gold]

Originally Posted by PortlandSpartan

I think enough **** is going to happen to these people that they don't really want to rehash stuff unless they absolutely have to.

I'm very interested in seeing how and why Jack loses his mind, grows the beard, becomes addicted to drugs, and "has to get baaaack!".

Same for me. Jack and Locke have always been the most interensting to me.

[Enrico Palazzo]

Originally Posted by lars

Also, Jack worried that Hurley might tell what happened?? Did the "6" get off the island while the rest stayed? and the '6' didn't tell the rescuers?

Excellent episode to set the table for the rest of the season. A lot of questions to be answered as the season goes on, particularly in regards to who the "Oceanic 6" are, and of course, who the rescuers are (my guess is they're related to DHARMA, since we know Ben killed those who were part of the project. Also cool to see "Jacob" make an apperance again. Wonder if that's where Locke had been before coming back to try and stop Jack and throwing the knife at Naomi.

As for the Hurley meeting in the nut house, I think it was legit. Great move asking for the business card. I'm thinking he wants to know if others survived - perhaps the rest went into hiding during some huge battle and the 6 were the only ones identified as surviving and being on the island and therefore are learining more of the island's "secrets?" Can't wait for the rest of the season to play out.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

If you even looked at some TV listings or even what your cable box said about the show, you would have known that the first hour was a recap.

After a week of humble pie, Old School Azzzhole Ozy is back.

We knew you couldn't quit us, Oz.

[H.G. Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Jack
Kate
Hurley
?
?
?

There is a very strong possibility that one of them is the person who was in the casket in the season finale from last season.

I'm not sure that one of the 6 was in that casket. Jack and Hurley are clearly famous for being one of the "Oceanic 6". If one of the famous 6 died SOMEONE would have showed up at the funeral. I think it's someone outside of the 6. Who? I have no idea. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be someone from the island though, like Ben. Makes sense no one would attend his funeral since he didn't know anyone off of the island.

[Home for the Holidays]

Originally Posted by H.G. Pennypacker

I'm not sure that one of the 6 was in that casket. Jack and Hurley are clearly famous for being one of the "Oceanic 6". If one of the famous 6 died SOMEONE would have showed up at the funeral. I think it's someone outside of the 6. Who? I have no idea. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be someone from the island though, like Ben. Makes sense no one would attend his funeral since he didn't know anyone off of the island.

Right and when asked by the funeral director if he was "friend or family?" of the deceased, Jack said "neither".

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by clocker

guess he was going to shoot!

This was the most interesting part of the episode to me. Seemingly out of character for Jack.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by H.G. Pennypacker

I'm not sure that one of the 6 was in that casket. Jack and Hurley are clearly famous for being one of the "Oceanic 6". If one of the famous 6 died SOMEONE would have showed up at the funeral. I think it's someone outside of the 6. Who? I have no idea. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be someone from the island though, like Ben. Makes sense no one would attend his funeral since he didn't know anyone off of the island.

I agree. Ben is my other guess as to the person in the casket.

Here is my guess for what will happen this "season".

1. We find out the events that led to the Oceanic 6 getting off the Island.

2. We discover who the Oceanic 6 are and the events leading up to what makes Jack go from upbeat and clean cut like he was seeing Hurley to when he was downtrodden when he saw Kate.

3. We find out who is in the casket.

4. We learn who the "he" is that Kate says is waiting for her.

5. We find out that the DHARMA Initiative is not so dead after all (remember they were still sending food drops 15-20 years after the Others killed all the DHARMA people on the Island) and has a very sinister side. Also, Penny Widmore's father is involved with it somehow (this part might not be explained this season but I'm just throwing this idea out there).

6. We learn what happened to Walt and Michael.

7. Jack and possibly Hurley make it back to the Island.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by WBill

Right and when asked by the funeral director if he was "friend or family?" of the deceased, Jack said "neither".

which could make it Locke as well based on how Jack WOULD have shot John.

[Denzo 2000]

Originally Posted by Enrico Palazzo

Excellent episode to set the table for the rest of the season. A lot of questions to be answered as the season goes on, particularly in regards to who the "Oceanic 6" are, and of course, who the rescuers are (my guess is they're related to DHARMA, since we know Ben killed those who were part of the project. Also cool to see "Jacob" make an apperance again. Wonder if that's where Locke had been before coming back to try and stop Jack and throwing the knife at Naomi.

As for the Hurley meeting in the nut house, I think it was legit. Great move asking for the business card. I'm thinking he wants to know if others survived - perhaps the rest went into hiding during some huge battle and the 6 were the only ones identified as surviving and being on the island and therefore are learining more of the island's "secrets?" Can't wait for the rest of the season to play out.

My guess was that the Oceanic 6 were the ones to get off the island and the rest stayed on. Who all went with Jacks group? I was thinking they all got off the island and somehow Hurley mamaged to meet up with them. Somehow the rest that stayed behind are in danger or dead and Hurley and Jack want to go back and help them but they can't.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Fletch

This was the most interesting part of the episode to me. Seemingly out of character for Jack.

In a way, not really. Jack has an almost obsessive need to "fix" things. If people get in his way, he gets VERY irritable. He was in the middle of what he thought was fixing the situation by getting everyone off the island. Locke was trying to stop him. He reacted in a more animated version of what seems to naturally be in his character. I have a feeling that in this season the big twist will be seeing Jack turn from a shining leader type figure to showing a much darker side of his personality. Whether I'm right or wrong, it will be interesting to see how it turns out.

[Minnie]

Just remember that due to the writer's strike, there will only be 8 episodes of Lost this season. The remaining 8 that were to be shown this season will not be filmed and will not be "made up" during the remaining two seasons. Therefore, the show will have 8 less episodes than previously thought to wrap up the show.

I think this season will leave us with more questions than answers due to it's brevity.

[Bolley]

i hope charly aint dead




















but he is an cause hurly see him an cause hurly talk him an cause expo faxo limbo

[Denzo 2000]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Just remember that due to the writer's strike, there will only be 8 episodes of Lost this season. The remaining 8 that were to be shown this season will not be filmed and will not be "made up" during the remaining two seasons. Therefore, the show will have 8 less episodes than previously thought to wrap up the show.

I think this season will leave us with more questions than answers due to it's brevity.

So will they cram a full seasons woth of shows into 8 episodes, or will they just cut it off half way through the season?

[Fletch]

This writer from Entertainment Weekly does a synopsis of the show every week that is pretty good. Sorry for the length, but I believe you have to have an account to access it, so a link won't work.

Intesting tidbit on the meaning of the name of Hurley's visitor in the mental hospital.

Season 4 Burning Question No. 1: If the Oceanic 6 are six survivors of Oceanic 815 who made it off the Island (and became famous for doing so), and we know that three of the six are Jack, Kate, and Hurley, then who are the other three? (This is why God invented message boards. Post your bets below.)

The car-chase teaser sequence was altogether fitting for a brisk overture episode that cut to the chase in a number of ways. In addition to providing an immediate answer to the ''How many people made it off the Island?'' question posed by the season 3 finale, the episode picked up right where we left off on the Island, with the castaways awaiting rescue from the folks on Naomi's freighter. The last two seasons gave us premieres that focused on small groupings of castaways (Jack in the Hatch; Jack, Kate, and Sawyer at the Hydra Station), which made for rich stories but also got their years off to slow starts because it took about two more episodes to wrap up all the other cliff-hanger loose ends. But ''The Beginning of the End'' peeked in on everyone, and was almost all the better for it. I really liked the check-ins with Sawyer (bitterly loading his gun; trying to engage Hurley about Charlie's death) and all things Ben-on-a-leash. But Jin and Sun seemed to get short shrift. And that Rose and Claire moment, in which Bernard's wife told Aaron's mommy that she'd better reward Hero Charlie with some beach-blanket action — umm, yuck?

To be fair, it makes sense for the castaways to be gripped by intense emotions, and I blame the show's long layoff for dulling my sensitivity. And for the record, I appreciate very, very much the whole concept of getting some somethin'somethin' from the ladies ifyouknowwhatI'msayin'. If I had one significant quibble with the premiere, it was Jack's self-righteous homicidal rage toward Locke for throwing the knife into Naomi's back. Doc Messiah Complex just found out he was going to get rescued. His primary emotional state should be off-his-rocker euphoria. Would there really be any available bandwidth on his grid for the kind of eye-for-an-eye rancor it takes to want to shoot someone in the face? I could understand if Jack wanted to pass the downtime waiting for the choppers by tracking Locke down and hauling him back to civilization to stand trial for murder and general rescue-jeopardizing nutbaggery. But that moment when Jack got his chance and attempted a point-blank execution with Locke's unloaded gun? Sure, it was hardcore cool, and kudos to Matthew Fox for selling it, but talk about overkill.

Like I said, just a quibble. And anyway, the episode wasn't really about Jack; it was about Hurley. And so, while Jack and Kate separately searched the jungle for a she-ain't-dead-yet Naomi (Wake up, Naomi — there's plot-contrivance work to be done...), and the French Lady dragged a hilariously snarky Ben around the jungle, Hurley got the news from Desmond that Charlie had died in the Looking Glass, effectively killing his happy, cannonball-splashing buzz. The despair that quietly drooped off his grizzled face was heartbreaking. With the spotlight of a premiere shining intensely upon him, Jorge Garcia totally delivered.

Through Hurley's L.A. and Island story arcs, ''The Beginning of the End'' delivered its most watercooler-worthy moments. Perhaps none was more momentous than his discovery of Jacob's cabin during his wayward trek through the jungle. (Or did Jacob's cabin find him? Apparently, the ghost shack is mobile.) Peeking inside a cracked window, our frazzle-haired hero saw a freaky sight: a shadowy figure kicking it in a rocking chair. I asked the instant-replay officials in my head to analyze the sequence, and they are convinced that the spectral entity was none other than Christian Shephard, Jack's corpse-MIA father, doing his best Whistler's Mother impression. And who am I to argue with the voices in my head? Season 4 Burning Question No. 2: Is Christian Shephard actually Jacob, or was Ghost Dad just keeping the chair warm while the Ben-directing Ghost Other was taking a wicked ghost whiz?

A perplexing poltergeist of a different stripe — and accent — haunted Hurley's flash-forward. One day while buying some snacks at a convenience store, Hurley spotted Charlie's spirit by the Ho Hos — the terrifying catalyst for his Camaro cannonball run. Of course, he kept this info from the detective assigned to his case, none other than Big Mike Walton, Ana Lucia's old patrol partner, who wins my award for Flashback Character Least Likely to Be Ever Seen Again. Admit it: When he called her ''gorgeous,'' you chuckled, right? Because I know how all of you just loooooooved old Dirty Harriet. But he was affecting — and an effective reminder of the provocatively wired interconnectedness of the larger Lost world. Might Big Mike become some kind of season 4 Sherlock Holmes, obsessed with cracking the secrets of the Oceanic Six? Season 4 Burning Question No. 3: Why can't the Oceanic Six tell the truth about their Island past?

Someone else desperate to know more about Hurley's Twilight Zone daze: the immediately arresting, sharply attired, cryptically named Matthew Abbaddon, played with quiet relish by The Wire's Lance Reddick. He tracked down Hurley at a sanitarium — dude thought he'd be safer if he just dismissed the Charlie visitations as crazy visions — and offered him an upgrade to a first-class loony bin with better views and more leg room. He presented himself as an employee of Oceanic Airlines, but when Hurley grew suspicious, Mr. Creepy cut to the chase: ''Are they still alive?'' Hurley freaked; Abbaddon walked out. Season 4 Burning Question No. 4: Who is Matthew Abbaddon really? And what are to make of that name? Matthew means ''gift of the Lord.'' By contrast, there's the hellish allusion of ''Abbaddon.'' My trusty TV Watch editor, Tom Conroy, pointed out to me that in the book of Revelation, Abaddon is ''the angel of the abyss'' and even the personification of death. I have theories — but they are best saved for next week, when we will encounter Matthew Abbaddon once again in an equally provocative scene.

Still, if I were to apply any Bible story to the premiere, it would be Jonah and the whale. Why? Because of the episode's curious fixation with fish, of course! Did you catch the chalkboard in background of that Hurley-Abbaddon scene? Sketched on it was a picture of a desert island and a big, toothy fish. There were also fish in Hurley's watercolor painting of an Eskimo. And there was another finny creature (partially obscured) printed on Charlie's T-shirt when the dead hobbit rocker — played by Dominic Monaghan, looking ethereally clean, like an airbrushed model — dropped in on Hurley for a (ghostly? hallucinatory?) visit.
The self-sacrificing castaway had come to egg his old friend out of his hideaway hole and, more, to cajole him to do the right thing, which was to...what? Go back to the Island and save those left behind? It was unclear. ''They need you, Hugo,'' Charlie said. Of course, this is also the story of Jonah and the whale, which is never actually referred to as a whale but as a fish. Some scholars even suggest it was actually a shark. Jonah was given a calling to save damned souls from God's divine wrath. But instead of heeding the call, Jonah ran away. Bad Jonah! He got swallowed up by a fish, repented, and then, after being spit up (''hurled'' in some translations), finally fulfilled God's request. Season 4 Burning Question No. 5: Will the Oceanic Six answer Charlie's call and save the remaining castaways left behind on Hell Island?

Of course they will. But not yet. As he did with Jacob's haunted house, Hurley wished Charlie away — shades of ''Tricia Tanaka Is Dead,'' when Hurley used the power of positive thinking (and Island magic?) to restart the dead Dharma bus. In Hurley's final flash-forward scene, Jack (not yet sporting the beard; not yet screaming, ''We have to go back!'') stopped by the funny farm to shoot some hoops. Hurley told him that business about not doing the right thing, about being convinced that ''it'' wants them to go back — but Jack was having none of ''it,'' whatever ''it'' is. Season 4 Burning Question No. 6: What the hell do you think they were talking about?

These were the ideas and mysteries that captured my imagination. I would be remiss if I didn't add that I was moved by Hurley's attempts, both on the Island and in the future, to grieve and make sense of Charlie's death, and more, to honor his sacrifice by trusting his warning that the freighter isn't Penny's boat, that it might be really, really bad news. Which leads me to Season 4 Burning Question No. 7: Why does flash-forward Hurley now regret trusting Charlie and wish he had stuck with Jack instead of siding with freighter fraidy cat Locke?

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

In a way, not really.

Wow, that dismissal of someone else's opinion as invalid was very Ozy-esque.

[Big M]

Interesting that it was Jack's Dad in the cabin...

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Spartan-X

So will they cram a full seasons woth of shows into 8 episodes, or will they just cut it off half way through the season?

they had to cut it off during the middle of the season. They managed to write and film the first 8 eps before the writers strike.

If the strike had been settled by Jan. 30, they would have been able to film the remaining 8 eps for this season, but since that didn't happen, the eps won't be filmed and they have to finish the series without the aid of those 8 eps.

From what I've read, they knew the strike was looming so they tried to wrap up as much as they could in the 8 eps that they filmed, I just don't know how successful they were. We will have to see how the next 7 eps play out.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Fletch

Wow, that dismissal of someone else's opinion as invalid was very Ozy-esque.

No. I'm not saying you were wrong. I'm also not saying I'm right. Like Obi-Wan said. Both are right...from a certain point of view.

Trust me. At this point, what I say is just the same as everyone else...speculation. I lack the ego necessary to believe that my guesses are somehow better than someone else's.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Bolley

i hope charly aint dead




















but he is an cause hurly see him an cause hurly talk him an cause expo faxo limbo

I know you are joking, but I think the fact that we started to see the opening scene (the police chase) from Jack's POV solidifies that Hurley is alive.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by Minnie

they had to cut it off during the middle of the season. They managed to write and film the first 8 eps before the writers strike.

If the strike had been settled by Jan. 30, they would have been able to film the remaining 8 eps for this season, but since that didn't happen, the eps won't be filmed and they have to finish the series without the aid of those 8 eps.

From what I've read, they knew the strike was looming so they tried to wrap up as much as they could in the 8 eps that they filmed, I just don't know how successful they were. We will have to see how the next 7 eps play out.

This probably explained the unusually fast pace of last nights episode.

[H.G. Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

which could make it Locke as well based on how Jack WOULD have shot John.

Yeah, but Locke would have been one of the 6, and therefore a mini-celebrity. Someone would have come to the funeral. Ben, not being on the airplane, couldn't have been one of the 6.