Ferentz has been offered the Michigan job...

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Smitty

VB, I've got a family member on the Iowa staff. If this is true, Ferentz hasn't informed anyone.

I guess we'll find out tommorrow, but if he hasn't told his coaching staff as of 10:30 PM, I find this hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe as well. I'm also not sure if it's gone beyond Michigan being interested in Ferentz or vice versa. I've been told an offer is on the table, but it'd be pretty hasty if true IMHO.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

Positive about that. He actually accepted one if not both jobs and then retracted his acceptance. I reallty wish he would have taken that Jets job.

MSU and the BoT at that time made him the offers to come back for more money and yes, the AD job.

That pissed off rest stop Biaggio and the rest is history. Merrily Dean Baker and the slippery slope started.

Where is there any evidence that Perles not only accepted one but both of the those jobs? Dude- that never happened.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

I find it hard to believe as well. I'm also not sure if it's gone beyond Michigan being interested in Ferentz or vice versa. I've been told an offer is on the table, but it'd be pretty hasty if true IMHO.

so what you're saying is that you don't really know anything

but you wanted to feel important so you started a rumor

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

Where is there any evidence that Perles not only accepted one but both of the those jobs? Dude- that never happened.

Are you saying Perles made the whole thing up? If yes, I will find some proof and then you leave the board forever ok?

[GRR Spartan]

Ernie,
I see you are too small minded to avoid name calling. Ferentz doesn't need to play anyone for a raise since he is near the top of the pay scale in the top 25 for coaches pay. Ferentz is a known Big Ten quanity who recruited to the smallest public school in the Big ten with the smallest state population too.

Secondly Perles did with MSU just what Jabba did with ND which was tell their school and current emplyer what the NFL was offering and seeing if they would counter. Both MSU and ND countered.

This may all be a smoke screen as a favor to Coleman and Carr so they can finalize on a surprise like Pinkel or some other candidate who isn't Miles.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

Are you saying Perles made the whole thing up? If yes, I will find some proof and then you leave the board forever ok?

Go find the proof, there isnt any. Perles may of been in talks but none of these concrete offers materialized. Perles uses them as leverage before a official offer came on the table. Like I said- you indicated he accepted one if not two NFL jobs and then retracked to come back to MSU, that never happened.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

so what you're saying is that you don't really know anything

but you wanted to feel important so you started a rumor

I'm passing along the information I received from:

A) A well-respected media source in Michigan.
B) A well-respected college coach in Michigan.
C) A well-respected media source in Iowa.

Sorry if the evidence isn't concrete enough for you.

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

Go find the proof, there isnt any. Perles may of been in talks but none of these concrete offers materialized. Perles uses them as leverage before a official offer came on the table. Like I said- you indicated he accepted one if not two NFL jobs and then retracked to come back to MSU, that never happened.

I thought you said he made them up? Now you you say he was in talks but nothing concrete materialized? Nice backtrack. The GB offer was for real. GP was "hot" after the rose bowl. The D, which he was noted for, was unreal. He would have replaced his clone, Forrest Gregg.

I am not sure about the Jets job being "concrete" but that can be looked up to a certain extent.

I won't put too much effort (read any) into it unless you agree to leave.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

I thought you said he made them up? Now you you say he was in talks but nothing concrete materialized? Nice backtrack. The GB offer was for real. I am not sure about the Jets job but that can be looked uo to a certain extent.

I won't put too much effort into it unless you agree to leave.

You need to leave. Perles never got a concrete job offer from the Packers or the Jets. Perles used the fact that he is in "talks" to gain more money and power. You said he accepted 2 pro jobs and retrackted so where's you proof?

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

I D I O T

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

I D I O T

Please back your BS up. Where did Perles ever turn down 2 pro offers after he accpeted it?

[Chi Town Sparty]

Originally Posted by monty4msu

BK at um would be classic, they hired the guy we turned down. His style of O doesnt seem like it would fit at um. The downside- with any success at all, he would never leave.

He's got one or two DUI's from his days at GVSU. No way holier then thou scum hires him and trots that out to the Detroit and National media.

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by Chi Town Sparty

He's got one or two DUI's from his days at GVSU. No way holier then thou scum hires him and trots that out to the Detroit and National media.

Exactly.

[SpartanBrizz]

Didn't Iowa just lose two of their top recruits last weekend too? and their best one to Illinois?

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Please leave the board loser.

BTW, you are an I D I O T !

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

You need to leave. Perles never got a concrete job offer from the Packers or the Jets. Perles used the fact that he is in "talks" to gain more money and power. You said he accepted 2 pro jobs and retrackted so where's you proof?

Jets:

AD: The confusion surrounding the Jets' coaching job became more confusing today as Dick Steinberg, the team's newly appointed general manager, intimated that he had offered the job to George Perles of Michigan State but later seemed to back off.

The confusion surrounding the Jets' coaching job became more confusing today as Dick Steinberg, the team's newly appointed general manager, intimated that he had offered the job to George Perles of Michigan State but later seemed to back off.

The uncertainty was compounded after the negotiations when Michigan State's board of trustees called a special meeting for Tuesday night. That session may result in Perles's being offered the job of athletic director in addition to his head-coaching post.

The 55-year-old Perles met this morning with Steinberg at the Jets' complex in Hempstead, L.I. Steinberg said Perles then left for Michigan State ''to get some things cleared up.'' Perles has eight years remaining on a 10-year contract as the Spartans' coach.

''Both parties are interested,'' Steinberg said in a statement after the meeting. ''Before going any further, George has an obligation to go back and talk to the administration at Michigan State regarding how available he could be.''

'Things Went Well'

''Things went well with the Jets but I have to go back and check with the administration, mainly my wife,'' Perles told The Associated Press before departing from New York. He said he would make his decision public by Tuesday.

Steinberg said the Jets were interested in Perles because of his success as a defensive coach with the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 1970's and as the head coach at Michigan State, where in seven years he compiled a 46-33-3 record. The Jets dismissed Joe Walton, who had been their head coach for seven years, in December after his team finished with a 4-12 record.

Same article in the NYTimes:

On Sunday, a source close to the discussions between Steinberg and Perles said Perles had agreed to a five-year contract starting at $750,000 a year. The Detroit News said Perles had agreed to $6 million over five years. Steinberg indicated today that the Jets were unwilling to pay a coach $6 million over five years.

At Michigan State, Perles has a base salary of $115,000 a year, but earns about $450,000, including television and radio income. The current athletic director, Doug Weaver, who is retiring, earned $93,500 last year.

Twice before, Perles has been true to the university after making moves to become a pro head coach. He left the Steelers and was named the head coach of the Philadelphia Stars of th United States Football League in 1983. But he soon switched when the coaching post at Michigan State opened, and the school bought out his contract with the Stars. Then, after the 1987 season, he apparently agreed to a five-year, $2.25 million deal with the Packers only to gain a 10-year pact with Michigan State on the eve of signing with Green Bay.

Four of Michigan State's eight trustees are said to support Perles for the athletic director's job, for which five votes are needed. John DiBiaggio, the university's president, is opposed to one man being athletic director and football coach simultaneously.

Another from the NYT about the Packers:

SPORTS PEOPLE; Perles's Reward

Published: October 21, 1988
LEAD: Last January, Coach George Perles of Michigan State rejected a $2.2 million offer to coach the Green Bay Packers. Yesterday, a report by the university indicated that Perles was rewarded for his loyalty to the Spartans. In a 10-year contract, Perles has an annual salary of $105,000, plus the use of two automobiles and a country-club membership.

Last January, Coach George Perles of Michigan State rejected a $2.2 million offer to coach the Green Bay Packers. Yesterday, a report by the university indicated that Perles was rewarded for his loyalty to the Spartans. In a 10-year contract, Perles has an annual salary of $105,000, plus the use of two automobiles and a country-club membership. If Perles, 54 years old, remains at Michigan State as a coach or teacher beyond Jan. 1, 1993, he will receive for the rest of his life $45,000 a year in monthly payments of $3,750 beginning in December 1997. (AP)

The NYT has lots of George stuff. A succinct summary:

Perles has twice before backed out of pro head-coaching deals to return to his alma mater. After a 10-year career as a highly regarded defensive assistant with the Pittsburgh Steelers, he joined the Philadelphia Stars of the United States Football League in 1983. After a month, he joined Michigan State. Then, after the 1987 season, he was ready to sign a five-year deal with the Green Bay Packers. Instead, Michigan State gave him a 10-year pact.

[BillOGoods]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

Maybe they already interviewed the token minority in the form of Ron English.

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

Ron English... Besides, there are no minority hire rules in the NCAA like there are in the NFL.

Guys, that would be a good point, but right from the beginning Bill Martin made it clear he wanted somebody with head coaching experience. See MLive.com: Everything Michigan So English was eliminated from the beginning.

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Bump to prove that "ernie" is a piece of crap. I proved my point about Perles and owned your ignorant ass. You still post on this board? You are a total piece of crap.

Go away and die a miserable death. You are beneath pond scum and herpes for continuing to post here.

[Bremen Spartan]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

Bump to prove that "ernie" is a piece of crap. I proved my point about Perles and owned your ignorant ass. You still post on this board? You are a total piece of crap.

Go away and die a miserable death. You are beneath pond scum and herpes for continuing to post here.

you are seriously way too angry, maybe it has something to do with your fetish with extremely obese women ,

did you torture animals as a child?

[IGGcitable]

Originally Posted by NY Times

Twice before, Perles has been true to the university (1) after making moves to become a pro head coach. He left the Steelers and was named the head coach of the Philadelphia Stars of th United States Football League in 1983. But he soon switched when the coaching post at Michigan State opened, and the school bought out his contract with the Stars (2).

Then, after the 1987 season, he apparently agreed to a five-year, $2.25 million deal with the Packers only to gain a 10-year pact with Michigan State on the eve of signing with Green Bay.

1) Yeah, he was "true to the university" after gaining a massive increase in salary in both instances. After these incidents, he was "true to the university," bailing out on yet another verbal contract (with the Jets), this time for massively increased authority as AD.



2) MSU bought out his contract (and those of his assistants) with the Philadelphia Stars, in a settlement dictated by its legal counsel, which informed the administration that the University was virtually guaranteed to lose a conspiracy of breach of contract brought by the Stars, a breach of contract precipitated either by Perle$'s stupid ignorance of his actual contract status, or his usual arrogant assumption that he was not bound by the laws of contracts, like other mortal men.

Of course, prior to all this, in the winter of 1980, following the departure of Daryl Rogers as MSU coach, Perle$ had agreed to accept the MSU head coaching job, only to bail out literally minutes before a press conference to announce his hiring was scheduled to begin in EL, forcing MSU into the panic hire of Muddy Waters.

A common thread runs through all of these incidents: Perle$ believes agreements and binding contracts do not apply to him, he can tell anybody anything he likes, and still go ahead and do whatever the hell he feels like anyway. A lesson learned well by his mutant offspring, $$$aban.

[ErnieMcCracken]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

Bump to prove that "ernie" is a piece of crap. I proved my point about Perles and owned your ignorant ass. You still post on this board? You are a total piece of crap.

Go away and die a miserable death. You are beneath pond scum and herpes for continuing to post here.

You seem to have alot of anger. Maybe you should consider taking a timeout.

[Cyclone_MI]

Originally Posted by SouthernSpartan

So, he's going to take a million dollar pay cut to go to scUm because there was booing on senior day, and he feels cursed by $2,800,000 per year?

exactly my thoughts.
Forget about the 2 million, just "curse" me with 800K a year

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

You seem to have alot of anger. Maybe you should consider taking a timeout.

I D I O T
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...8-post193.html

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by ErnieMcCracken

You seem to have alot of anger. Maybe you should consider taking a timeout.

I D I O T

[Chris Rucker Chris Rucker]

Originally Posted by IGGcitable

Of course, prior to all this, in the winter of 1980, following the departure of Daryl Rogers as MSU coach, Perle$ had agreed to accept the MSU head coaching job, only to bail out literally minutes before a press conference to announce his hiring was scheduled to begin in EL, forcing MSU into the panic hire of Muddy Waters.

Is that how it went down? We're currrently reading "Spartan Seasons" (the first one) by Lynn Henning, and the way Lynn described it was that GP was expecting the offer in 1980 and was devastated when Waters was announced. Of courses the book was published in 1987 while GP was still head coach... did GP fudge that story to Henning?

[Loose Stools]

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

I D I O T

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

Please leave the board loser.

BTW, you are an I D I O T !



Jets:Same article in the NYTimes:
Another from the NYT about the Packers:
The NYT has lots of George stuff. A succinct summary:

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

I D I O T
http://www.spartantailgate.com/forum...8-post193.html

Originally Posted by Sir Denis Eton-Hogg

I D I O T

UM debate team captain?