My co-worker won't shut up about how much better Grady is than Lucas

[air sparta]

Originally Posted by Chi Town Sparty

Statistically it is

No.. not when you look at the level of competition that we've played against compared to SCum.. especially when you look at his role considering the other players on the roster. If Lucas played at SCum, he would be doing everything.

[Stats]

Originally Posted by air sparta

No.. not when you look at the level of competition that we've played against compared to SCum.. especially when you look at his role considering the other players on the roster. If Lucas played at SCum, he would be doing everything.

UM has played a harder schedule.

[Stats]

Another nugget:

Ya, I heard he didn't try to win.

Didn't take it serious? Neitzel played 40 mins for a reason.

Izziot put Walton on the big center at the end of the game to show his macho self and it backfired on the angry midget.

The bottom five on Izzo's bench should beat grand valley.

MSU has a lot of talent but it's over coached. Guys play looking more at Izzo than the floor.

I also think Green will be better than Roe. Roe could end up like Marquise Gray. Green has better all around talent.

[GenoV]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

So I mentioned that KL plays for a top 10 team and likely FF participant while Grady plays for the worst BCS conference team in the country, and he replies:

Ehh... Grady's got no one in front of him and has all the opportunity in the world to light up the stat sheet playing in the BLine "jack-it-up" offense.

Never argue with idiots, they'll drag you down to...... you know.

[Taco John]

Ask him what he thinks of Greg Hill.

[Ari Gold]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Another nugget:

[/left]

I retract all of my previous suggestions. Tell this guy to STFU until he actually watches a game b/c you've never seen somebody this uninformed.

[lostwarder]

I'd tell him Grady's job is to run the team, score points and try to elevate the program to the status of a Harvard maybe even a CMU, if he does that they might give him a nice holiday bonus and retire his jersey.

Lucas's job is to learn the offense. Push the ball up court, take open jumper, and learn as much as he can from our Neitzel (All american, Best assist/turnover ratio in the nation, took us to the NCAA last year by putting the team on his back, oh and he raped the #1 team in the nation when they put their best defender on him) Lucas is also required to play defense and is learning from one of the best in nation in Walton.

Its apples to oranges. Grady is talented the kid is a good player. I dont doubt he'd do well at MSU surrounded by far better talent then Michigan has. But Lucas would be a 1 man show at Michigan driving past them on offense (until B stops him and says "don't drive just shoot it!") Grady is asked to shoot the ball and try and carry the team. Lucas is asked to do his role, and learn. Ofcourse Grady is going to put up bigger numbers he's asked to do more (imo)

[TripleGreen]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

Another nugget:

The guy obviously hasn't a clue what he's talking about. Roe is about as similar to Gray as Lucas is similar to Neitzel. They are two TOTALLY different ball players. Different skillsets. Different strengths and different weaknesses. Gray was ranked highly based solely on his strength and athleticism. He projected high at a young age.

Roe OTOH is ranked highly because he is a multi-skilled combo-forward.

I do agree with him though in saying that Green is an underrated recruit. He won't be better than Roe though...not unless Roe's knee falls apart following surgery, which isn't happening.

[TheGhettoHeisman]

This is obviously a harbinger of things to come. I was statistically superior to a blue chip MSU recruit that played on a top 10 team my freshman year.

Sincerely,

Lavell Blanchard

[spartan80]

Tell him KL has to learn a much more complicated system, and compete with many more talented players for playing time at MSU.

Also, explain that MSU has Walton & Neitzel, and Izzo is bringing KL along slowly so that by the end of the season, KL will be all BT when MSU is in the tourney and um is watching on TV.

[GenoV]

Originally Posted by spartan80

Tell him KL has to learn a much more complicated system, and compete with many more talented players for playing time at MSU.

Also, explain that MSU has Walton & Neitzel, and Izzo is bringing KL along slowly so that by the end of the season, KL will be all BT when MSU is in the tourney and um is watching on TV.

Now, now....they maybe able to sneak into the CBI....you know, that new tournament that picks from the fantastic teams that don't make the NCAA or NIT. What a fantastic show that's going to be. A bunch of .500 or worse underachievers battling it out in half full gyms for the title of 97th best team in the country.

[lostwarder]

Originally Posted by GenoV

Now, now....they maybe able to sneak into the CBI....you know, that new tournament that picks from the fantastic teams that don't make the NCAA or NIT. What a fantastic show that's going to be. A bunch of .500 or worse underachievers battling it out in half full gyms for the title of 97th best team in the country.

and knowing espn they will have pregame footage of the short bus' pulling up to the empty stadium. Who knows maybe we'll get to see harvard beat UoM twice this year

[PortlandSpartan]

I would seriously consider finding a new employer. If this is the caliber of your co-workers, I can't imagine that company has much of a future.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

I really don't understand how Michigan fans even think they can make any comparisons between MSU and their sad excuse for a team. I had a Michigan fan tell me yesterday, "Michigan State just isn't that good this year." "Isn't that good"? What exactly qualifies as "that good" then? Because Michigan sure isn't it.

Only scUM arrogance could lead their fans to believe that they have earned the right to criticize MSU. Like, yeah, we lost our game to the #1 team in the country. You've lost to Eastern Washington, Harvard (with no scholarship athletes), and CMU (at home). Your season is ridiculously embarrassing, your players are terrible, and you could pick five random people out of the Izzone that could form a better basketball "team" than the one currently attempting to play in Ann Arbor. What a joke that program is (and the same can be said of its fans). Until you start winning games (especially over MAC and Ivy League teams), please don't talk to me or criticize my perennially 20-win, NCAA-bound, national powerhouse basketball team. TIA.

[PortlandSpartan]

Originally Posted by Izzone_Kari

I really don't understand how Michigan fans even think they can make any comparisons between MSU and their sad excuse for a team. I had a Michigan fan tell me yesterday, "Michigan State just isn't that good this year." "Isn't that good"? What exactly qualifies as "that good" then? Because Michigan sure isn't it.

Only scUM arrogance could lead their fans to believe that they have earned the right to criticize MSU. Like, yeah, we lost our game to the #1 team in the country. You've lost to Eastern Washington, Harvard (with no scholarship athletes), and CMU (at home). Your season is ridiculously embarrassing, your players are terrible, and you could pick five random people out of the Izzone that could form a better basketball "team" than the one currently attempting to play in Ann Arbor. What a joke that program is (and the same can be said of its fans). Until you start winning games (especially over MAC and Ivy League teams), please don't talk to me or criticize my perennially 20-win, NCAA-bound, national powerhouse basketball team. TIA.

Umm.....we criticize their football team. They can criticize all they want. Just make valid points. Grady better than Lucas is not one.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Originally Posted by PortlandSpartan

Umm.....we criticize their football team. They can criticize all they want. Just make valid points. Grady better than Lucas is not one.

yeah, that's what I mean

[Twiggy]

Originally Posted by StatsETC

If anyone has something objective to fire back at him, let me know. These are their stats thus far and they're NOT helping me here:








KELVIN GRADY

I gotta admit I am shocked by several of those stats - 1 - that Lucas is getting 23 min. a game.

2 - Grady is shooting 52%

3 - probably most of all, Grady is avg only 1 TO a game.

But let's be real, if they switch schools Lucas gets 35 min/game and U-M isn't 4 and 7 or 8 or whatever, and Grady could be naked under his warmups nobody would ever know!

[Dan72]

Especially, a fool who is also a skunkbear.

[Nals]

its really just a wait and see. I watched Grady play a little. I would say however that Grady is a way better football player. Lucas is way better at defense. So head-to-head when they play in the big ten season, Lucas will win.

[Ari Gold]

Originally Posted by Nals

its really just a wait and see. I watched Grady play a little. I would say however that Grady is a way better football player. Lucas is way better at defense. So head-to-head when they play in the big ten season, Lucas will win.

What does that have to do with anything? Lucas is a better passer, shooter, rebounder, defender, ball handler, has better court vision, and is taller and faster. Those cannot even be debated if you have watched the two play.

[goState18]

Originally Posted by spartan80

Tell him KL has to learn a much more complicated system, and compete with many more talented players for playing time at MSU.

Also, explain that MSU has Walton & Neitzel, and Izzo is bringing KL along slowly so that by the end of the season, KL will be all BT when MSU is in the tourney and um is watching the replay on VCR.

fixed it

[Put Dahlman in!!]

What happened to Kelvin's brother Kevin? I remember hearing he was going to win something like 4 Heismans, yet I haven't seen him play Is he still redshirting?

[Fatwa Dakkash]

Originally Posted by McLovin

What happened to Kelvin's brother Kevin? I remember hearing he was going to win something like 4 Heismans, yet I haven't seen him play Is he still redshirting?

I believe Kevin Grady busted his leg earlier this year while using the se...........err, while using the sear...............NO, I WON'T DO IT, I WON'T SAY IT!!!!!

[GRR Spartan]

Tell him to shell out his $2 and buy a ticket to the UCLA game at Crisler Memorial Library.

[WixomSpartan]

Just remind him that Kelvin Grady will come out of college the same player he went in, while Kalin Lucas will emerge stronger, more polished and a more complete player, ready to take his shot at the next level, thanks in part to superior college coaching.