tOfficial Blu-ray vs. HD DVD discussion thread

[Zombie]

hex stop crying its getting pathetic now

[Zombie]

and fwiw I have owned an hd-dvd player for over a year

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Right, because if HD-DVD dies, then my player will stop playing all the free HD-DVD movies I got, along with upscaling current DVDs (which will still be released well into the 2010s).

Good for you. You are clearly happy with your choice. The rest of us are happy we made a different choice. So please...STFU because your ranting about the SAME thing EVERY day is getting tired. Especially the whole "Sony did all this backdoor dealing to get this done". So I assume Toshiba wasn't trying to do the SAME THING!? What's the difference besides you spent money on the side that lost?

[Maize and Blue]

Wow, hexydes is coming off as a complete lunatic in this thread. No one cares that Sony won the format war. In fact, most people probably didn't even know which companies had a stake in it. They are just happy that one of them has won so that now they can buy one without the chance of them buying something that will not be supported in the near future. Sucks that you made the wrong choice.

[VinAZ]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Nothing is free. Congratulations on paying $300+ extra for your TV than you would have if it didn't include the "free" Blu-Ray player.

Let me guess, you're going to say "Nuh uh, it was actually ON SALE!" Of course, if it was on sale without the DVD player, then the TV would have been $300+ less than what you paid. Case in point: lots of people have bought that "deal" that you got at Circuit City, took the Blu-Ray player back and returned it (yes, you can do that), and got the money back from it.

But hey, congrats! I'm glad that Circuit City convinced you that you were getting a good deal!

Again, I was happy getting the TV at the price I purchased it for...the player was just gravy...maybe there are better deals to be had out there and maybe not. I don't really care, because I'm happy with the deal I got.

The bigger question is why the personal crusade against Sony? Some Japanese guy steal an old girlfriend of yours, or something?

[DDRMSU]

actually, I sort of appreciate the debate in this thread.... got the Sonia Bravia LCD TV about 8 months ago, and am still using my old DVD player. I've been waiting to see how this Blu-Ray vs HD DVD thing plays out. The best - or at least, most frequent - discourse I've seen on this among consumers plays out on the RCMB. Keep it coming, those of you with stakes in the game!

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by Maize and Blue

Wow, hexydes is coming off as a complete lunatic in this thread. No one cares that Sony won the format war. In fact, most people probably didn't even know which companies had a stake in it. They are just happy that one of them has won so that now they can buy one without the chance of them buying something that will not be supported in the near future. Sucks that you made the wrong choice.

Amen.

[Trevor Barnes]

Get your HD DVD drive while you still can...

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[Zombie]

And BTW that $160 new sony blu-ray player I bought on ebay, did turn out to be a fraud

Thank god for paypal

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by Zombie

And BTW that $160 new sony blu-ray player I bought on ebay, did turn out to be a fraud

Thank god for paypal

It could have been worse, they could have mailed you an HD DVD player.

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

It could have been worse, they could have mailed you an HD DVD player.

nice

just what I would want is another expensive toshiba upconverting dvd player

[hexydes]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Especially the whole "Sony did all this backdoor dealing to get this done". So I assume Toshiba wasn't trying to do the SAME THING!? What's the difference besides you spent money on the side that lost?

Oh no, Toshiba did as well. However, Sony is the last company that should be in control of "standard" formats. All companies of course use what leverage they have to help them get ahead, but Sony will literally do this up, down, left, and right across the market, wherever they can. The only thing stopping them from being ten times the monopoly that Microsoft ever was approaching is the fact that they're incapable of making sound decisions and firing on all of their cylinders (i.e. video game division makes good decision, music makes bad, movie makes good, video game makes bad, etc). This generally comes from them trying to spread their control over all of the markets and coming up short.

HD-DVD players cost less than half as much as Blu-Ray players. They have always cost less. Sony won't let Blu-Ray players get cheap because they want to sell PS3s, so assuming they kill HD-DVD, the players will still be more expensive than HD-DVD's players were, with absolutely no discernible advantage, and yet...you're applauding because you're just happy that there is only one format? That's pretty ignorant.

[Zombie]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Oh no, Toshiba did as well. However, Sony is the last company that should be in control of "standard" formats. All companies of course use what leverage they have to help them get ahead, but Sony will literally do this up, down, left, and right across the market, wherever they can. The only thing stopping them from being ten times the monopoly that Microsoft ever was approaching is the fact that they're incapable of making sound decisions and firing on all of their cylinders (i.e. video game division makes good decision, music makes bad, movie makes good, video game makes bad, etc). This generally comes from them trying to spread their control over all of the markets and coming up short.

HD-DVD players cost less than half as much as Blu-Ray players. They have always cost less. Sony won't let Blu-Ray players get cheap because they want to sell PS3s, so assuming they kill HD-DVD, the players will still be more expensive than HD-DVD's players were, with absolutely no discernible advantage, and yet...you're applauding because you're just happy that there is only one format? That's pretty ignorant.

It sucks HD-DVD lost out but there isnt really **** we can do about it at this point

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Oh no, Toshiba did as well. However, Sony is the last company that should be in control of "standard" formats.

Except that they aren't in "control" of the standard. Unlike Beta, it's a consortium of several companies, many of which compete with Sony directly. Based on industry support of each format, it seems like we should be more worried about HD DVD being controlled by one or two companies than Blu-ray.

Industry Support

Blu-ray Disc

Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company*; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsu****a Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; Sun Microsystems; TDK Corporation; Thomson; Twentieth Century Fox; and Walt Disney Pictures and Television, Warner Bros*
**The Blu-ray Disc Association has over 170 members.
*Supporting both formats

HD-DVD

Toshiba, NEC*, Memory-Tech, Microsoft, Intel, Sanyo*, HP*

*Supporting both formats

[hexydes]

Originally Posted by Zombie

It sucks HD-DVD lost out but there isnt really **** we can do about it at this point

You could not buy a Blu-Ray player?

[hexydes]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Get your HD DVD drive while you still can...

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Oh, well, if Circuit City is doing it, then it MUST be a good business decision...

[hexydes]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Except that they aren't in "control" of the standard. Unlike Beta, it's a consortium of several companies, many of which compete with Sony directly. Based on industry support of each format, it seems like we should be more worried about HD DVD being controlled by one or two companies than Blu-ray.

Right. Blu-Ray is Sony. There are a few other players that recognize the standard as being the one that they support on paper, but for all intents and purposes, Blu-Ray is Sony.

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Right. Blu-Ray is Sony. There are a few other players that recognize the standard as being the one that they support on paper, but for all intents and purposes, Blu-Ray is Sony.

Considering that there are 8 different companies that currently manufacture Blu-ray drives, and 18 different companies on the BDA Board of Directors, I guess you and I can just agree to disagree on that. If you want to believe that Sony is so big and powerful that they can control the whims of all 18 of those other companies, well, there's not much I do to convince you otherwise. I'd rather leave the conspiracy theories on Wells Hall.

Current Blu-ray drive manufacturers

BenQ
HP
LG
Panasonic
Philips
Pioneer
Samsung
Sony

Current BDA Board of Directors Members

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

[meeklay]

HD is dead, go buy a Blu Ray player

[Spartan Superiority]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

Considering that there are 8 different companies that currently manufacture Blu-ray drives, and 18 different companies on the BDA Board of Directors, I guess you and I can just agree to disagree on that. If you want to believe that Sony is so big and powerful that they can control the whims of all 18 of those other companies, well, there's not much I do to convince you otherwise. I'd rather leave the conspiracy theories on Wells Hall.

Current Blu-ray drive manufacturers

BenQ
HP
LG
Panasonic
Philips
Pioneer
Samsung
Sony

Current BDA Board of Directors Members

Apple Computer, Inc.
Dell Inc.
Hewlett Packard Company
Hitachi, Ltd.
LG Electronics Inc.
Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics
Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.
Sharp Corporation
Sony Corporation
Sun Microsystems, Inc.
TDK Corporation
Thomson Multimedia
Twentieth Century Fox
Walt Disney Pictures
Warner Bros. Entertainment

hexydes =

[Green and Tonic]

It seems to me that Blu-Ray just flat out out-marketed HD-DVD BIG TIME. Go into any Circuit City or Best Buy and check out their displays. Every single TV set up has a movie playing in a Blu-Ray format that is advertised right along with the TV. Do you think that this is a coincidence? I'm sure Blu-Ray manufacturers made it a point to get their machines on display and whenever I go into a BB or CC, I sit in awe at their picture quality.

Add to the fact that PS3s come standard with BR, and it's obvious that Blu-Ray did a much better job at reaching their targeted market. Like a post said earlier, the BR manufacturers aren't targeting consumers looking to get the cheapest HD players, but instead their targeting customers interested in QUALITY. If you can afford a $2000 HDTV right now, $300-500 to watch your favorite movies is probably well worth it for you. Eventually when BR becomes standardized, the prices will drop significantly as HDTVs become more affordable.

[hexydes]

Originally Posted by ConquestMSU

Add to the fact that PS3s come standard with BR, and it's obvious that Blu-Ray did a much better job at reaching their targeted market.

Great, considering the PS3 is the worst-selling console of not only this generation, but also last generation (being beaten in sales over the holiday season by the DS, Wii, 360, PS2, and PSP).

Like a post said earlier, the BR manufacturers aren't targeting consumers looking to get the cheapest HD players, but instead their targeting customers interested in QUALITY.

Apparently Sony's compressed 1080p is more QUALITY than HD-DVD's compressed 1080p?

If you can afford a $2000 HDTV right now, $300-500 to watch your favorite movies is probably well worth it for you. Eventually when BR becomes standardized, the prices will drop significantly as HDTVs become more affordable.

Right, except for only 30% of US homes even have an HDTV at this point, and considering that number just about doubled in the last year (about the time when 37"+ flat-panels finally got under $1000), I would say that a major representation of that 30% a) bought a 720p/1080i TV (thus negating the need for a 1080p player), and b) paid under $1200 for their set. These are people that have just been waiting for the price of TVs to get down so they could go buy one. Now, you think they're going to go buy a HD movie player that costs 33-50% the cost of their TV...?

I will say this, if Sony does pull off the win on Blu-Ray, assuming they drop the price of the PS3 to under $250 (which I still highly doubt), Microsoft will almost certainly lower the 360 to under $150. I'll be buying a 360 at that point and opting for downloadable content.

And for those of you so about a potential Sony win, I remind you of this fact: Sony is a ****up company. They ****up just about everything they touch. This will be no different. Enjoy.

[Log Jammin]

Originally Posted by hexydes

Great, considering the PS3 is the worst-selling console of not only this generation, but also last generation (being beaten in sales over the holiday season by the DS, Wii, 360, PS2, and PSP).
Apparently Sony's compressed 1080p is more QUALITY than HD-DVD's compressed 1080p?
Right, except for only 30% of US homes even have an HDTV at this point, and considering that number just about doubled in the last year (about the time when 37"+ flat-panels finally got under $1000), I would say that a major representation of that 30% a) bought a 720p/1080i TV (thus negating the need for a 1080p player), and b) paid under $1200 for their set. These are people that have just been waiting for the price of TVs to get down so they could go buy one. Now, you think they're going to go buy a HD movie player that costs 33-50% the cost of their TV...?
I will say this, if Sony does pull off the win on Blu-Ray, assuming they drop the price of the PS3 to under $250 (which I still highly doubt), Microsoft will almost certainly lower the 360 to under $150. I'll be buying a 360 at that point and opting for downloadable content.

And for those of you so about a potential Sony win, I remind you of this fact: Sony is a ****up company. They ****up just about everything they touch. This will be no different. Enjoy.

Did somebody from Sony have sex with your girlfriend, or somthin?

[Spartan Superiority]

[Trevor Barnes]

Originally Posted by ConquestMSU

It seems to me that Blu-Ray just flat out out-marketed HD-DVD BIG TIME. Go into any Circuit City or Best Buy and check out their displays. Every single TV set up has a movie playing in a Blu-Ray format that is advertised right along with the TV. Do you think that this is a coincidence? I'm sure Blu-Ray manufacturers made it a point to get their machines on display and whenever I go into a BB or CC, I sit in awe at their picture quality.

Add to the fact that PS3s come standard with BR, and it's obvious that Blu-Ray did a much better job at reaching their targeted market. Like a post said earlier, the BR manufacturers aren't targeting consumers looking to get the cheapest HD players, but instead their targeting customers interested in QUALITY. If you can afford a $2000 HDTV right now, $300-500 to watch your favorite movies is probably well worth it for you. Eventually when BR becomes standardized, the prices will drop significantly as HDTVs become more affordable.

I predict that Blu-ray will continue to outsell and outmarket HD DVD at Circuit City.