So Cedar Fest is making a comeback this year... riots?

[SpartanBrizz]

how appropriate that Here i am watching V for Vendetta tonight and just stopped in to see if anything was going on

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by burnsmi4

dude the students knew what was going to happen. the people that left when the police showed up in riot gear went to cedar fest for the party. the people that looked at them and stayed showed up for cedar fest to drink and riot. those were their decisions and i cannot think of how anyone is going to stop that unless they find a common ground to make both parties happy.

things wont get that much worse. they wont make it a dry campus because you will have the uproar from the students and alumni for tailgating. they wont hire more cops to patrol the area because they have no money to do it. are we ****ing idiots? absolutely. that's because we are in college and are on your own for the first time in our lives. guess what people make bad decisions all the time and it will continue that way forever. part of growing up.

Have college kids gotten that much dumber in 10 years? Your excuse of growing up is ****ing lame.

There is a way to do this. If you want to throw a huge rager you plan it and you do it by the rules. It can be a **** load of fun, and you know what? You probably won't get arrested doing it. Or tear gassed. Or put on every local news channel saying MSU students rioted again. ****ing grow up.

[BuzzCatcher]

Originally Posted by Schadenfreude

Way out of line. Jackass.

catch a buzz

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by TheTruth

THATS IT!
Effing Mom and Dads fault, and just to show em' the error of their ways---refuse to accept any more handouts and financial assistance.

Wait...better yet, present this argument and guilt them into ponying up a little bit more.

worth a shot, right?

thats my point. how many student's parents are paying for their college. a hell of a lot more than my mother and father's generation. my generation is spoiled compared to others. the parents give their children what they didnt have when they were younger but forget that lesson that went with it. i am not saying its soley on the parents. it would be ignorance to do so. but it is a parents job to install discipline and morals so when a kid is faced with a choice of throwing a brick at a cop or not, he would choose not to.

[No excuses, but...]

Originally Posted by JMCSpartan08

If they let cops open fire with real bullets, I PROMISE it would end that **** pretty damn quick.

GREAT idea.

Go hang yourself.

[Jud Owns Digger]

Originally Posted by burnsmi4

thats my point. how many student's parents are paying for their college. a hell of a lot more than my mother and father's generation. my generation is spoiled compared to others. the parents give their children what they didnt have when they were younger but forget that lesson that went with it. i am not saying its soley on the parents. it would be ignorance to do so. but it is a parents job to install discipline and morals so when a kid is faced with a choice of throwing a brick at a cop or not, he would choose not to.

Whoever threw bricks at cops is in some seriously deep ****. I don't think words exist in the English language that can adequately describe how moronic of a move that was.

[jesselne]

The cops really weren't too bad, they didn't start acting till like 130 or so, and even then, they fired a bunch of smoke before teargas, the people left were throwing stuff at cops and lighting stuff on fire. There were literally thousands of people in the streets for HOURS before the cops intervened. I was quite impressed.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by JMCSpartan08

If they let cops open fire with real bullets, I PROMISE it would end that **** pretty damn quick.

You're a ****ing idiot too. Has everyone in East Lansing lost their ****ing minds?

[arfabe16]

EVERYONE knew what was going to happen.

EVERYONE knew people were getting arrested.

EVERYONE saw the cops coming in riot gear.



Some of us stayed in and saw the show from a window or a balcony.

Some WANTED to be out there, like my stupid roommate who REALLY wanted to be there for the whole tear gas thing.

Of course, he came back home crying over his eyes burning.

Some others didn't make it home.


Personal choices... end of story.

[LeftCoastSparty]

love it

[Jud Owns Digger]

Originally Posted by arfabe16

EVERYONE knew what was going to happen.

EVERYONE knew people were getting arrested.

EVERYONE saw the cops coming in riot gear.



Some of us stayed in and saw the show from a window or a balcony.

Some WANTED to be out there, like my stupid roommate who REALLY wanted to be there for the whole tear gas thing.

Of course, he came back home crying over his eyes burning.

Some others didn't make it home.


Personal choices... end of story.

Except the rest of us suffer by having our university all over the news for the wrong reasons.

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by degreedo

Have college kids gotten that much dumber in 10 years? Your excuse of growing up is ****ing lame.

There is a way to do this. If you want to throw a huge rager you plan it and you do it by the rules. It can be a **** load of fun, and you know what? You probably won't get arrested doing it. Or tear gassed. Or put on every local news channel saying MSU students rioted again. ****ing grow up.

As i agree that you can have a big party and not get busted by the police, and it would be lots of fun, i come to the conclusion that when you have thousands of students partying, people handle there booz differently. You get a couple of the pissed off, angry or invinsible drunks and this is how it turns out. We are going to need the cooperation from the police to have a party that big and no problems to occur. I am not sure if that would be possible

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by arfabe16

EVERYONE knew what was going to happen.

EVERYONE knew people were getting arrested.

EVERYONE saw the cops coming in riot gear.



Some of us stayed in and saw the show from a window or a balcony.

Some WANTED to be out there, like my stupid roommate who REALLY wanted to be there for the whole tear gas thing.

Of course, he came back home crying over his eyes burning.

Some others didn't make it home.


Personal choices... end of story.

I agree with you. But I will add this....

Do you students realize what you had the chance to do if you had pulled this off? Back in day (I hate sounding like this because I'm not even 30 yet) this used to be a huge deal. Alumni used to actually come up for this. It was a great time, a big deal. It was kind of like MSU's big party, like halloween at Ohio University (huge kick ass party if you've never been). However, like everything else at MSU, it ended.

The cops actually let you guys throw it again. They gave you a full day of partying until close to 2 AM. That wasn't enought? Imagine if nothing had happened with the police. Imagine what next year could be. Imagine the East Lansing Police seeing that we could actually behave in large groups.

You guys all ****ed that up.

[Three Putt Par]

Originally Posted by arfabe16

EVERYONE knew what was going to happen.

EVERYONE knew people were getting arrested.

EVERYONE saw the cops coming in riot gear.



Some of us stayed in and saw the show from a window or a balcony.

Some WANTED to be out there, like my stupid roommate who REALLY wanted to be there for the whole tear gas thing.

Of course, he came back home crying over his eyes burning.

Some others didn't make it home.


Personal choices... end of story.

I was out there from time to time, but mainly stayed in the apartments and watched. However, I knew when to get out of Cedar Village and head back to Wonders and did at the perfect time. Now, I'm sitting here trouble free

[BuzzCatcher]

we all learned about cause and effect in grade school....

cause: cops see something fun

effect: cops seek to destroy said fun.

i'm not justifying the riot. but if the cops don't shoot tear gas into that crowd,they don't get bricks thrown at them. if that even happened. when cops make the decision to shoot tear gas at a group of 1000 people, THEY are elevating the situation. so what if there are kids out at 2 am on a saturday in cedar village in a college town. it is the police that turn a party into a riot

if you ever took math.... the police are the independant variable. the students are gonna get drunk and party no matter what.a 20 dollar stop sign might get ripped down every 5 years. but when you send in the troops and start shooting **** at a bunch of drunk college kids... you should expect a well aimed 40 ouncer.

[Havoq]

Originally Posted by degreedo

Are you ****ing kidding me? People want to graduate with their own riot story? Are you seriously ****ing kidding me?

I was up there for all of that **** and you know what stories I'll tell and love the most? Going to the bar and bringing a girl home, watching MSU win a national championship, getting my ****ing degree, **** like that. Try telling your mom that you weren't in a riot when she saw you on CNN. See how your family looks at you after that.

Wake up, college is a ****load of fun, you don't need a ****ing riot to validate your attendance.

PS. Try going to jail after a riot and begging to get accepted back into school. Not a lot of fun.

No, we don't need a ****ing riot to validate my attendance but it sure is a hell of a lot of fun! I think you and I have two different definitions of riots. I suppose what I mean by riot is just those 3-4k students partying together in the street and if teargas is added by the cops, no problem. I'm not saying I or the other students are looking to riot as in, throw bricks at cops, break ****, and light dumpsters on fire.

I think you keep harping on organization and planning but, you have realize that there are thousands of drunk 18-22 year olds out in the street and many who aren't MSU students. As the alcohol level rises it just becomes a mob mentality and some sort of organization or early agreed upon set of rules goes out the window.

[Schadenfreude]

Originally Posted by degreedo

I agree with you. But I will add this....

Do you students realize what you had the chance to do if you had pulled this off? Back in day (I hate sounding like this because I'm not even 30 yet) this used to be a huge deal. Alumni used to actually come up for this. It was a great time, a big deal. It was kind of like MSU's big party, like halloween at Ohio University (huge kick ass party if you've never been). However, like everything else at MSU, it ended.

The cops actually let you guys throw it again. They gave you a full day of partying until close to 2 AM. That wasn't enought? Imagine if nothing had happened with the police. Imagine what next year could be. Imagine the East Lansing Police seeing that we could actually behave in large groups.

You guys all ****ed that up.

The thing about what you mentioned is this - with Halloween at Ohio University, in Athens, the university and the city have an agreement. The cops are tolerant there..to a point. You get out of hand though, and you're in trouble.

Edit: Halloween at Ohio University is like Mardi Gras in October! It occurs because Athens is broke, and they could use the extra revenue + the school helps pay for it.

[JMCSpartan08]

A. I wasn't being serious.

B. Just drove through there, looks like it's pretty much over at least on grand river, dunno about further in.

C. Johnny's Hot that burger place on abbot and GR got a window busted out dunno if it was related but the place was the most packed Ive ever seen in, including football saturdays. Seems like an awful long walk to get away from the craziness.

D. Over here on Evergree there are quite a few people still moseying through the parking lot of the People's Church that sound like they had been at CF...not to stereotype or anything but most of the folks do not appear to be students at MSU...it wouldn't surprise me if some folks from Lansing stopped by for a little "fun."

[Three Putt Par]

Originally Posted by degreedo

I agree with you. But I will add this....

Do you students realize what you had the chance to do if you had pulled this off? Back in day (I hate sounding like this because I'm not even 30 yet) this used to be a huge deal. Alumni used to actually come up for this. It was a great time, a big deal. It was kind of like MSU's big party, like halloween at Ohio University (huge kick ass party if you've never been). However, like everything else at MSU, it ended.

The cops actually let you guys throw it again. They gave you a full day of partying until close to 2 AM. That wasn't enought? Imagine if nothing had happened with the police. Imagine what next year could be. Imagine the East Lansing Police seeing that we could actually behave in large groups.

You guys all ****ed that up.

For sure. I was actually really happy about the way things were going early in the night. Personally, I thought maybe, just maybe, the students could throw a big party without stupid really **** happening, my judgment was off. I definitely was involved in the party and drank, but never wanted to riot or get gassed like half the ppl out there.

[Havoq]

Originally Posted by degreedo

I agree with you. But I will add this....

Do you students realize what you had the chance to do if you had pulled this off? Back in day (I hate sounding like this because I'm not even 30 yet) this used to be a huge deal. Alumni used to actually come up for this. It was a great time, a big deal. It was kind of like MSU's big party, like halloween at Ohio University (huge kick ass party if you've never been). However, like everything else at MSU, it ended.

The cops actually let you guys throw it again. They gave you a full day of partying until close to 2 AM. That wasn't enought? Imagine if nothing had happened with the police. Imagine what next year could be. Imagine the East Lansing Police seeing that we could actually behave in large groups.

You guys all ****ed that up.

No one was out partying all day, I'm not sure what your perception is of what actually occurred. But the whole Cedar Fest thing started real late and it may have been inspired by this old tradition but most thought it had more to do with the Final Four.


P.S. If you guys were such angels, so cooperative, and so organized why did Cedar Fest stop in the first place?

[degreedo]

Let me point out to all of you in this thread that I see both sides of the story, because, well, I've been there. But if you look at one of my earlier posts you'll see that I've seen the most severe of consequences due to this behavior as well, so I guess I'm preaching a little, which may be right or wrong.

I will say this though. Cedar Fest used to ****ing rock. And we used to get away with it. And when the cops broke it up, we went to other house parties if we still wanted to throw down. We rioted on other occasions mind you, but Cedar Fest was one of the things that was taken away before we rioted. Next was Munn Field. The first riot at MSU actually started as something meaningful, a protest by the students, then it turned into an absolute ****headfest. And so on and so on.

[meeklay]

Real drunk, good times! GO GREEN

[No excuses, but...]

So next year if I ask the city of EL to cooperate in planning a block party, whats the reaction going to be?

[burnsmi4]

Originally Posted by degreedo

Let me point out to all of you in this thread that I see both sides of the story, because, well, I've been there. But if you look at one of my earlier posts you'll see that I've seen the most severe of consequences due to this behavior as well, so I guess I'm preaching a little, which may be right or wrong.

I will say this though. Cedar Fest used to ****ing rock. And we used to get away with it. And when the cops broke it up, we went to other house parties if we still wanted to throw down. We rioted on other occasions mind you, but Cedar Fest was one of the things that was taken away before we rioted. Next was Munn Field. The first riot at MSU actually started as something meaningful, a protest by the students, then it turned into an absolute ****headfest. And so on and so on.

so what is this "most severe of consequences"? And if Cedar Fest was so important to you guys, why didnt you fight for it back?

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by Havoq

No one was out partying all day, I'm not sure what your perception is of what actually occurred. But the whole Cedar Fest thing started real late and it may have been inspired by this old tradition but most thought it had more to do with the Final Four.


P.S. If you guys were such angels, so cooperative, and so organized why did Cedar Fest stop in the first place?

East Lansing banned kegs at parties, which changed the whole landscape of what CedarFest used to be. There were keg trucks out there.

And CedarFest also ended because EL started cracking down on everything, you guys aren't the only ones who have dealt with this ****.