So Cedar Fest is making a comeback this year... riots?

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by chitownsparty86

QFT. I doubt the rest of the nation will really care all that much.

i thought that most of the country thought we're the same as UM???

[lmiller1717]

Originally Posted by spartans134

So, an MSU alum with no criminal record will get hurt at a job interview anyways because of 28 idiots?? I hope some employers are better than this and actually look at the individual.

I hope so too. But everyone has stereotypes and biases. If all employers look at "the individual" and their accomplishments, then there wouldn't be a need for affirmative action, for example. Race is a stereotype, and now MSU is generating its own stereotype of rioting and drunk, bumbling idiots.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Originally Posted by Schadenfreude

Reaching a bit with the Kent State reference aren't you?

It's just ridiculous that people are going to blame the police again, despite the fact that it was an illegal gathering and they had been given fair warning, by both the police AND the past, that if they didn't get the **** out of there that the teargas was coming.

They wanted it, and now you're going to get people who bitch and say that somehow the students were the victims.

[SitWhenYouGraduate]

Originally Posted by degreedo

You were still there.

But I didn't get arrested did I? I didn't ruin my future, did I? I was concerned for my safety and my friends' safety. I behaved responsibly. 52 other people didn't, and they were punished for it.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by spartans134

So, an MSU alum with no criminal record will get hurt at a job interview anyways because of 28 idiots?? I hope some employers are better than this and actually look at the individual.

Read my post again. I didn't say it will impact you getting a job. It's something that gets asked, people make snide comments about, and like I said before it makes us look bad.

How many times have you've heard after we've beaten a team, why don't you go burn some couches and riot? How many times have you heard people from other schools yell smoke green snort white?

It's stupid **** like this that tarnishes the reputation of the school and it's students and alumni.

[SitWhenYouGraduate]

Originally Posted by Boo

It's just ridiculous that people are going to blame the police again, despite the fact that it was an illegal gathering and they had been given fair warning, by both the police AND the past, that if they didn't get the **** out of there that the teargas was coming.

They wanted it, and now you're going to get people who bitch and say that somehow the students were the victims.

No. Not at all. Read my thread. You're assuming because that's happened in the past, but that wasn't the case at all last night.

[Negotiator]

This is where I wish the event had a helicopter over it the whole time taking footage. I want to see how this developed once it stearted going down. I joked about it in the real-time thread, but I wanted to see how this was developing play-by-play. Like how many were involved in cornering the officers, where the extra officers came from, etc etc.

[chitownsparty86]

Originally Posted by degreedo

Read my post again. I didn't say it will impact you getting a job. It's something that gets asked, people make snide comments about, and like I said before it makes us look bad.

How many times have you've heard after we've beaten a team, why don't you go burn some couches and riot? How many times have you heard people from other schools yell smoke green snort white?

It's stupid **** like this that tarnishes the reputation of the school and it's students and alumni.

Michigan students and fans and thats about it. People at places outside of Michigan have no idea. They do not know our Go Green and Go White chant. I see them do the same things with Ohio State students who have burned a few couches.

[Three Putt Par]

Originally Posted by degreedo

Read my post again. I didn't say it will impact you getting a job. It's something that gets asked, people make snide comments about, and like I said before it makes us look bad.

How many times have you've heard after we've beaten a team, why don't you go burn some couches and riot? How many times have you heard people from other schools yell smoke green snort white?

It's stupid **** like this that tarnishes the reputation of the school and it's students and alumni.

oo, I agree with you, but you really can't take those ppl too seriously. I mean, I always sterotype UM grads as arrogant *******s. However, I'm not going to simply think of some individual grad that way just because they graduated from UM.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by SitWhenYouGraduate

But I didn't get arrested did I? I didn't ruin my future, did I? I was concerned for my safety and my friends' safety. I behaved responsibly. 52 other people didn't, and they were punished for it.

You placed yourself directly in a situation where people were getting tear gas shot at them. Imagine if they whipped out the rubber bullets and started firing them into the crowd.

There's a saying that nothing good happens after 2AM. The statement in E.L. should be nothing good ever happens when hanging out with 3,000 drunk people in Cedar Village. Previous history has already proven what was going to happen last night. To think any differently truly shows just how naive you guys are.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Originally Posted by SitWhenYouGraduate

No. Not at all. Read my thread. You're assuming because that's happened in the past, but that wasn't the case at all last night.

No I read your thread, I agree with you. I was reading facebook statuses of people blaming the police for what happened and it makes me sick.

If people wanted to have a great time and get teargassed, then thumbs up. But if anyone who was out there long past the warnings and the first bottle being thrown, they have zero place to act like victims. Get ready for the State News letters from "Political Science Senior" Jerry LongPurpleHair to lambaste the police department for their "criminal" actions. Those are the people that can go **** themselves.

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by spartans134

oo, I agree with you, but you really can't take those ppl too seriously. I mean, I always sterotype UM grads as arrogant *******s. However, I'm not going to simply think of some individual grad that way just because they graduated from UM.

nice signature that needs to be on a shirt.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by chitownsparty86

Michigan students and fans and thats about it. People at places outside of Michigan have no idea. They do not know our Go Green and Go White chant. I see them do the same things with Ohio State students who have burned a few couches.

I've encountered it from others than Michigan fans. This has become a NATIONAL reputation for us. If this was the first time it happened do you think it would have made CNN? No, it would have been an aberation.

But it's news because it's MSU and it happened again!

[GRR Spartan]

Can't the City of East Lansing write some specific laws for complexes like Cedar Village?

Like a card keyed entry system to keep the complex from being a gathering place and video tape entry cameras to tie the residents to the law breakers who get in?

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Can't the City of East Lansing write some specific laws for complexes like Cedar Village?

Like a card keyed entry system to keep the complex from being a gathering place and video tape entry cameras to tie the residents to the law breakers who get in?

I don't think they'd want to make that kind of investment if they're going to tear the place down.

[Three Putt Par]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

nice signature that needs to be on a shirt.

I should work on that!

[GRR Spartan]

Originally Posted by degreedo

I don't think they'd want to make that kind of investment if they're going to tear the place down.

If it speeds the tear down and you can enforce new rules so they can't build Cedar Village redux it would accomplish getting rid of poor landlords whose complex has cost MSU and the city its good reputation several times.

[degreedo]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

If it speeds the tear down and you can enforce new rules so they can't build Cedar Village redux it would accomplish getting rid of poor landlords whose complex has cost MSU and the city its good reputation several times.

I think they're hoping that what just happened will have an impact on getting it going.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by Ari Gold

I think you are borderline ******ed.

i like that you stalk out every post i make and condescend them as if you're a pinnacle of intelligence. what's your argument? that the police caused it to happen?

[smosuup]

Curious, are the cops going to get on facebook, find the people who organized the event, and charge them with inciting a riot?

Thoughts?

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Originally Posted by tenaciousb

are you ****ting me? we have the NATIONAL GUARD in new orleans to do crowd control for **** like new years and the national championship. when they started walking down the street making bars close and making people leave the street NOBODY started breaking **** or throwing crap at the cops. they MOVED OR LEFT. being young and in college is not an excuse to go "ARGH OPPRESSION I NEED TO THROW ****." you can thank 1999 for NEVER being allowed to have a night time event en masse. if you read back to the quotes from then, the most glaring is when the police commissioner said it got to a point where they were outnumbered and it became dangerous for THEM as they were completely unable to control the situation. from that point further they are gonna come out 2x bigger EVERY TIME. if a 300 person melee goes down in lansing when MSU beats UM in two years or whatever and people destroy cars in a lot and ****, COPS WILL BE OUT IN FORCE. are you forgetting notre dame night game 3-4 yrs ago?

you want a party of 3k? have it from 10-7pm. then go to house parties and the bars. you will never be able to have a night party in EL bc "somehow" **** ALWAYS goes down at 1-2am

WHOA - call down a bit. I NEVER said it was acceptable for these kids to do what they did. I was not a part of it, and was actually nowhere near it. I never said it was the police's fault, either - in fact, I stated on multiple occasions that it is absolutely the fault of the students.

All I said was the university and the ELPD should have handled the preparation better because I know for a fact that all of their pre-Cedar Fest negative propaganda just made people angry and made them want to come out and mess with the police. Again, I'm not saying AT ALL that this was justified, but if the police could've taken a more positive approach last week and thereby prevented some of the pent-up anger going into last night, things might not have been so bad.

[The Dread Pirate Roberts]

Originally Posted by smosuup

Curious, are the cops going to get on facebook, find the people who organized the event, and charge them with inciting a riot?

Thoughts?

I doubt it because the facebook event had nothing about rioting on it (except maybe on the wall - but the creators did not intend, or at least didn't specifically say that they intended, for this to become a riot). It was just about a large-scale party. Plus, it was organized by a special profile named "Cedar Fest" not a specific student, which could've been set up using an email address created specifically for the purpose of making the profile, meaning it might be tough to trace (not saying it couldn't be done; just saying it won't be that easy).

With that said, I think the police WILL be monitoring facebook for any pictures, etc. that go up which can later be used as evidence. They'd be stupid not to.

[truspart]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

This is where I wish the event had a helicopter over it the whole time taking footage. I want to see how this developed once it stearted going down. I joked about it in the real-time thread, but I wanted to see how this was developing play-by-play. Like how many were involved in cornering the officers, where the extra officers came from, etc etc.

Signed,

Ron "Jaws" Jaworski

[Sparty2QP]

Originally Posted by smosuup

Curious, are the cops going to get on facebook, find the people who organized the event, and charge them with inciting a riot?

Thoughts?

They already had the attendee list printed yesterday. So even if you were not there but accepted the invite on facebook, you "could" be questioned.

[sfsd]

This discussion completely devolved when people woke up. So many of the last eight pages of responses just add to the embarassment of what happened at Cedar Village and how the general MSU student is viewed.