Hoyer

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by PennSpartan

Sorry, but you can't compare the two like that. Two completely different offenses, two completely different coaches. Hoyer's ability to run is almost non-existant. If you ask any coach who they would rather have, most would pick Stanton.

I doubt if coaches would feel that way. Although he was a great warrior, Stanton's decision maing was abysmal. He tried to do too much. Hoyer is a much smarter quarterback.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by Gnossos

I doubt if coaches would feel that way. Although he was a great warrior, Stanton's decision maing was abysmal. He tried to do too much. Hoyer is a much smarter quarterback.

racewar?

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by spartan80

Like I said, it isn't ALL the QB, the D was a liability last year, and if it plays a little better MSU beats um, finally, and NU, and Iowa. That said, everyone knew going into last season that the D was pretty shakey, and MSU's O was going to have to get the job done. Did the O get the job done against Iowa in the 2nd half, um in the first, PSU in the first or either half in the bowl game?

My bottom line is simply that Hoyer has yet to prove himself. He shows glimmers then has a PSU first half, or bowl game performance. We know what he can do, but don't know what he will do. If that's obvious that's great, but some don't think there's much question about Hoyer being the guy, others are convinced he's not.

I guess the top scoring offense in the league just wasn't quite enough for you.

[blanch32]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Only MSU fans could give the WR all the credit for catching 3 TD passes. Hoyer had a great game and three second half TD passes. 16/21 257 and 4 TDs with a 222.80 rating is a pretty ****ing good game.

Man. Considering the guy had ONE bad game all year (in our bowl game no less), he really gets beat up around here. Somehow people grafted this "interception prone" label onto him which I don't get either.

Take DT out of that PSU game, and you seriously think the result would be the same?

Look, Hoyer absolutely stares down WRs, can't evade the pass rush, and forces throws. Bottom line: he was LUCKY that he didn't throw more picks last year.

Of course, all the sunshine and kool aid is blinding you all from these rather simple obserations, and the fact that he had a NFL WR & TE to throw to. But of course, he's going to lead the Big Ten and perhaps nation in passing efficiency.

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

Look at who's making these statements. Blanche is the guy with the "big beaver, exit 69" t-shirt. Nobody wants to be that guy.

Says the guy who obviously can't get laid to save his life.

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Try Devin Thomas & the D for that PSU game. I'm sorry, but how many picks did Hoyer have in that game?

As for the purdue game. I'm sorry, but I remember our D being dominate that day, and hoyer being just average.

If you call 22/31 for 266 yards with 2 td and 0 int average, and the D giving up 517 yards and 31 points dominant (not dominate) then you are correct.

Why don't you first learn what the hell you are talking about before your post?

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Take DT out of that PSU game, and you seriously think the result would be the same?

Look, Hoyer absolutely stares down WRs, can't evade the pass rush, and forces throws. Bottom line: he was LUCKY that he didn't throw more picks last year.

Of course, all the sunshine and kool aid is blinding you all from these rather simple obserations, and the fact that he had a NFL WR & TE to throw to. But of course, he's going to lead the Big Ten and perhaps nation in passing efficiency.






Says the guy who obviously can't get laid to save his life.

You are an idiot.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by JMSparty08

Just because they aren't running routes doesn't mean they are blocking. Matter of fact, that doesn't make sense and makes you sound like an idiot and know nothing about football when you assume that. Some routes are decoy routes where you try to take a DB or a LB away from the play even though you are not, and will not be, a target for the pass. Basically, it's done to get guys out of the "box" because if they all stayed in and blocked, it'd actually be EASIER for the defense to get into the backfield because, in case you haven't noticed, WRs don't block all that well. Especially when the defense is blitzing.

In addition to that, there were also plays where there would be only one or two receivers running routes at or beyond the first down yardage on 3rd down, the rest were short of that yardage and thus were not ideal targets for Hoyer when he's trying to pick up the first down.

I understand having guys run routes to draw defenders out of a certain area so you can open it up for others, but I don't view them simply as a decoy. I think they are actually viable check-down targets/3rd or 4th option even if they aren't past the 1st down marker because you never know what happens if you get the ball in their hands. That person can make a defender miss and then get enough yardage for the 1st down.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Take DT out of that PSU game, and you seriously think the result would be the same?

Look, Hoyer absolutely stares down WRs, can't evade the pass rush, and forces throws. Bottom line: he was LUCKY that he didn't throw more picks last year.

Of course, all the sunshine and kool aid is blinding you all from these rather simple obserations, and the fact that he had a NFL WR & TE to throw to. But of course, he's going to lead the Big Ten and perhaps nation in passing efficiency.





Says the guy who obviously can't get laid to save his life.

Originally Posted by Gnossos

If you call 22/31 for 266 yards with 2 td and 0 int average, and the D giving up 517 yards and 31 points dominant (not dominate) then you are correct.

Why don't you first learn what the hell you are talking about before your post?

Blanch, our D gave up 31 points to PSU. That's bad. Hoyer's pass to DT in the corner of the endzone against PSU was an NFL level throw. DT was great, no doubt, but I don't see how you can always say that it's Hoyer's fault when he does poorly (such as when WRs run the wrong route), and then also say it's not him playing well when he makes big plays.

Of all the things to worry about next year, a 5th year Sr. QB should not and is not one of them. The only people worried about Hoyer are the idiots on this board who don't know jack about football.

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Take DT out of that PSU game, and you seriously think the result would be the same?

Look, Hoyer absolutely stares down WRs, can't evade the pass rush, and forces throws. Bottom line: he was LUCKY that he didn't throw more picks last year.

Of course, all the sunshine and kool aid is blinding you all from these rather simple obserations, and the fact that he had a NFL WR & TE to throw to. But of course, he's going to lead the Big Ten and perhaps nation in passing efficiency.

Did Hoyer stare down and lock onto receivers last year? Absolutely. He even admitted it and said that it was something that he was going to work on.

You aren't "lucky" for leading the team for 12 games and only throwing 7 picks (discounting the bowl game which was an anomaly) while playing against some of the best defenses in the country. There is some skill there. Believe it or not, someone actually had to throw the ball to these NFL WRs and TEs. If it wasn't DT catching the passes, it would have been somebody else like Dell or Curry. Ignoring Brian's role in the comeback win versus PSU would be like saying that Smoker was an average QB because he had Charles Rogers and T.J. Duckett.

Too many people (like yourself) can't give Hoyer any credit. No one is calling him an all-world QB. He is a solid QB, despite your protestations.

[Gnossos]

By the way - wasn't the bowl game the one in whcih Devin, on at least two occasions, stood wide open and allowed perfectly thrown balls to bounce off his chest onto the ground? Maybe it was a different game. But it happened.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Take DT out of that PSU game, and you seriously think the result would be the same?

Look, Hoyer absolutely stares down WRs, can't evade the pass rush, and forces throws. Bottom line: he was LUCKY that he didn't throw more picks last year.

Of course, all the sunshine and kool aid is blinding you all from these rather simple obserations, and the fact that he had a NFL WR & TE to throw to. But of course, he's going to lead the Big Ten and perhaps nation in passing efficiency.





Says the guy who obviously can't get laid to save his life.

I'm engaged you eunuch. Seriously, you look like a total tool and nothing you've said on these boards refutes that. You and pistonsgirl make one heck of a trailerpark duo.

[blanch32]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

Did Hoyer stare down and lock onto receivers last year? Absolutely. He even admitted it and said that it was something that he was going to work on.

You aren't "lucky" for leading the team for 12 games and only throwing 7 picks (discounting the bowl game which was an anomaly) while playing against some of the best defenses in the country. There is some skill there. Believe it or not, someone actually had to throw the ball to these NFL WRs and TEs. If it wasn't DT catching the passes, it would have been somebody else like Dell or Curry. Ignoring Brian's role in the comeback win versus PSU would be like saying that Smoker was an average QB because he had Charles Rogers and T.J. Duckett.

Too many people (like yourself) can't give Hoyer any credit. No one is calling him an all-world QB. He is a solid QB, despite your protestations.

Bottom line: Hoyer will throw more than 7 INTs next year. Mark it down right now. My apologies for the lack of blind aid in my predictions.

[Desert Green]

Originally Posted by Gnossos

If you call 22/31 for 266 yards with 2 td and 0 int average, and the D giving up 517 yards and 31 points dominant (not dominate) then you are correct.

Why don't you first learn what the hell you are talking about before your post?

It's never been a prereq for this poster...

[AASpartan]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Bottom line: Hoyer will throw more than 7 INTs next year. Mark it down right now.

He may and he may not, but given that pretty much all QBs in the Big Ten have thrown for at least 7 INTs in the past 4 seasons means it's a pretty good bet that he will. Not because of his ability, but because it's kinda rare that people do much better.

[rossmanp]

Originally Posted by AASpartan

He may and he may not, but given that pretty much all QBs in the Big Ten have thrown for at least 7 INTs in the past 4 seasons means it's a pretty good bet that he will. Not because of his ability, but because it's kinda rare that people do much better.

But AA, do you know how many INTs Foles and Cousins have thrown combined? That's right, ZERO. So that means Foles or Cousins must be at least that many INTs better, right?

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by blanch32

Bottom line: Hoyer will throw more than 7 INTs next year. Mark it down right now. My apologies for the lack of blind aid in my predictions.

Matt Ryan sucks, he threw 19 Ints last yr. Chad Henne threw 9, so while he's better than Ryan he still sucks. Brohm's garbage as evidence by his 12 picks last yr. Did I mention Tim Tebow and his 6 Ints, they gave that guy the Heisman? That's reserved for the truly great QB's who throw 0 or less INTs in a season.

Sincerely,
blanch lombardi.

[DDRMSU]

We're going to be in solid shape at the backfield skill positions. Wide receivers, absent DT, some cause for concern only because we're losing a lot and not sure of what we have yet. This could cause Hoyer's numbers to backslide a bit. The big question to level of success on the offensive side of the ball, in my opinion, is the O line. Can they handle the pressure and give Hoyer time to set up and throw? He's not a running QB - he's a drop back, usually 5 - 7 step. So he needs some time. Similarly, will the O line open up enough holes for the running game to keep the opposing D's honest?

Hoyer had a very respectable year last year. He wasn't a Tebow - but then there's only one of those. Not sure what this board needs to be satisfied, though....

[blanch32]

Originally Posted by rossmanp

But AA, do you know how many INTs Foles and Cousins have thrown combined? That's right, ZERO. So that means Foles or Cousins must be at least that many INTs better, right?

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

Matt Ryan sucks, he threw 19 Ints last yr. Chad Henne threw 9, so while he's better than Ryan he still sucks. Brohm's garbage as evidence by his 12 picks last yr. Did I mention Tim Tebow and his 6 Ints, they gave that guy the Heisman? That's reserved for the truly great QB's who throw 0 or less INTs in a season.

Sincerely,
blanch lombardi.

And I'm a moran??

[Gnossos]

Originally Posted by blanch32

And I'm a moran??

I would not say so. The average moron has a higher IQ than that of an idiot.

[Gary in Bradenton]

Originally Posted by Desert Green

It's never been a prereq for this poster...

blanch posts about 2 things. He posts about women, which he obviously knows NOTHING about and about sports, which he obviously knows even less about.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by Gary in Bradenton

blanch posts about 2 things. He posts about women, which he obviously knows NOTHING about and about sports, which he obviously knows even less about.

Any comments blanch? I'd slither away too if I was just given the gimp treatment by anybody who ever played a sport.