Black girl, white guy in a restaurant

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by classof??

Hmm, Fridays in Lansing, yeah thats a mecca for white trash just screaming to have a night out on the town. Either that or they were out of towners that only get a $15 dollar per diem and are forced to eat there or at McD.

I fail to see the point. If this would have happened at Dusty's people would say "it's just blue bloods," and pass it off.

Besides, these were middle class women. (Coach purses, one was in a business suit).

It's unacceptable for any class in society.

[tenaciousb]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

Ball don't lie neither do I.

nope. i call bull****. the end.

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by tenaciousb

nope. i call bull****. the end.

Yeah that makes it all better.

[classof??]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

I fail to see the point. If this would have happened at Dusty's people would say "it's just blue bloods," and pass it off.

Besides, these were middle class women. (Coach purses, one was in a business suit).

It's unacceptable for any class in society.

Obviously you fail to see the point, money does not buy you out of white trashdom. It's an attitude, not a socio-economic category.

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by classof??

Obviously you fail to see the point, money does not buy you out of white trashdom. It's an attitude, not a socio-economic category.

Still doesn't excuse the behavior.

[Misterray]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

Yeah that makes it all better.

FYI: It's pointless to ever discuss anything with that guy.

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by Misterray

FYI: It's pointless to ever discuss anything with that guy.

I'm learning this quickly. It's like the

"nuh-uh"

"uh-huh"

"nuh-uh"

"uh-huh"

Arguments I had with my sister at 5 years old.

[One Eyed Jack]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

Last night, I was at a Friday's having dinner with a friend of mine who happened to be black. We're friends, not dating and no relationship.

As we sat there, two unattractive white women sat sneering at us from a table next to us.

I heard "...take all the good men..."

And a lot of other racially charged comments. Luckily for them, my friend didn't hear them. (I have hyper-active hearing and I can hear **** like this all the time). That would have been an ugly scene and they would have looked like even bigger *******s than they were.

Have we really come anywhere in race relations? These women were about 28-35...so it's not like they were from the Brown V. Board of Education days. They've been raised in a society that encourages inclusion and tolerance of differences.

I was shocked. As I left, I looked directly at them and towards them. One of them got pissed, one of them buried her head in shame.

So, tRCMB...what's the deal? Do we talk a good game but don't follow through with it?

Does anyone here...honestly...have a problem with two people of different "races" and sexes having dinner together?

You'd be surprised at how much this thing happens. I remember when my ex wife and I went to the Denny's off of Grand River (1994--ish) one Sunday morning. We were talking about something when we noticed that an entire family sitting at the table next to us was watching us and listening to our conversation. They could not stop looking at us to the point where it was a little uncomfortable. They were a white family from BFE probably visiting their son for the weekend.

We both stopped talking and looked at the family for about 20 seconds (not saying a word) until they got the message to mind their own business.

When I first started dating my ex wife (in 1991), it was very uncommon for a black woman to date a white guy. It was way more common to see a white woman with a black guy. Now it isn't that uncommon to see a black woman with a white guy. Which is really cool. If I had a dollar for every stranger who walked past us, in a mall or on the street, singing "Jungle Fever,"; I'd a rich man now.

There are a lot of people who have problems with biracial relationships. In the African American community, some folks involved with someone from a different race is either looked upon as a "sellout," "someone with 'low self-esteem," "oreo," or (my personal favorite and one my wife was called several times--)"race traitor" etc...Plenty of black women are threatened by black guys going out with white women because there "are so few black men available for black women as it is" and, on the flip side, a lot of white guys feel threatened when white women date black guys.

White guys involved with black women, according to some black folks, have subconscious race/slave fantasies and/or they are trying to prove something to people.
It never can be for the fact that two people just like each other.

Gotta admit though that this is the first time I have heard of white women getting angry with black women for being with a white guy. Doesn't surprise me since this was the same thing black women had been saying about black men who date or marry white women for the past 50 or so years.

Biracial relationships even more common now and it's getting almost like a norm. And this is proof that even in our lifetime, things between the races have gotten better. Still have a ways to go, but it is better, I think. I think as long as your intentions are not because of sexual curiosity or a hidden agenda, biracial relationships are healthy. You still have to deal with a lot of baggage from both races, but if folks are genuine in their feelings, then it's worth all the crap biracial couples go through.

[DB]

Originally Posted by tenaciousb

i believe racism is everywhere and would have followed this story had it not immediately turned into
a) a comment i've never heard a white woman make
b) a very close reference to a complaint of some black women
c) a celebratory comment ("he's one of the good ones apparently")

hence i call bull****

have you ever SEEN ISparticus?

[Tom Hagen]

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[JMSparty08]

Originally Posted by One Eyed Jack

You'd be surprised at how much this thing happens. I remember when my ex wife and I went to the Denny's off of Grand River (1994--ish) one Sunday morning. We were talking about something when we noticed that an entire family sitting at the table next to us was watching us and listening to our conversation. They could not stop looking at us to the point where it was a little uncomfortable. They were a white family from BFE probably visiting their son for the weekend.

We both stopped talking and looked at the family for about 20 seconds (not saying a word) until they got the message to mind their own business.

When I first started dating my ex wife (in 1991), it was very uncommon for a black woman to date a white guy. It was way more common to see a white woman with a black guy. Now it isn't that uncommon to see a black woman with a white guy. Which is really cool. If I had a dollar for every stranger who walked past us, in a mall or on the street, singing "Jungle Fever,"; I'd a rich man now.

There are a lot of people who have problems with biracial relationships. In the African American community, some folks involved with someone from a different race is either looked upon as a "sellout," "someone with 'low self-esteem," "oreo," or (my personal favorite and one my wife was called several times--)"race traitor" etc...Plenty of black women are threatened by black guys going out with white women because there "are so few black men available for black women as it is" and, on the flip side, a lot of white guys feel threatened when white women date black guys.

White guys involved with black women, according to some black folks, have subconscious race/slave fantasies and/or they are trying to prove something to people.
It never can be for the fact that two people just like each other.

Gotta admit though that this is the first time I have heard of white women getting angry with black women for being with a white guy. Doesn't surprise me since this was the same thing black women had been saying about black men who date or marry white women for the past 50 or so years.

Biracial relationships even more common now and it's getting almost like a norm. And this is proof that even in our lifetime, things between the races have gotten better. Still have a ways to go, but it is better, I think. I think as long as your intentions are not because of sexual curiosity or a hidden agenda, biracial relationships are healthy. You still have to deal with a lot of baggage from both races, but if folks are genuine in their feelings, then it's worth all the crap biracial couples go through.

I'm just curious (and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to) what made you and your ex-wife split up? Did it have anything to do with dealing with the interracial issues and people making comments about it or was it just an issue of the relationship running its course?

Just wondering if the pressure and I guess hate directed at you two could have contributed to harder times, etc.

[Craig Christ]

Once you go black, you never go back.

[Enrico Palazzo]

Originally Posted by classof??

Obviously you fail to see the point, money does not buy you out of white trashdom. It's an attitude, not a socio-economic category.

Agree, from experience. I'm married to an Asian, and while it was more prevelant in the Midwest, we still occasionally get dirty looks, primarily from other Asians (the off the boat and therefore more clannish type) and I was even told by a white law school classmate I was a "traitor to my race" (he got laid out). Hell, one of my wife's cousins didn't come to our wedding, citing distance, but then we found out he was against her marrying a non-Filipino (he was into the whole Phillipine Pride thing after being over there, he's sense relented on that). All of those people were highly educated, upper-middle class. It's an attitude but you can't let it get to you, it's just ignorance.

[Alan Finger]

I'm white and my wife is black. We've been married for almost 10 years, dated for 4 more. We've lived in Philly, metro D, Chicago and San Fran. We've gotten some looks from time to time, mostly from the brothers in certain neighborhoods, but no one's ever said anything to us, and I've never overheard comments like the ones you heard or otherwise. Of course, I don't have superpower hearing. Or maybe I'm just not one of the "good ones".

[classof??]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

Still doesn't excuse the behavior.

No sheeyot it doesn't, hence the comment about the white trashness of the people.

True story, about 15 years ago I lived in Japan. When it came time to move back to the US, one of the determining factors in not pushing hard for my then gf to move here with me was exactly that kind of a mentality that existed in the Lansing area. Not that I couldn't handle it, but the fact that she would never understand why people act like that (although it happened at times in reverse in Japan). I really had no desire for her to come here and be miserable because of the attitudes of the people. Luckily, I was able to see the effect it had on some friends relationships when they went through it. If she was able to speak English moderately well, I might have considered it.

[Gnossos]

There are a lot of morans running around out there. Pity the fools.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Originally Posted by ISparticus

Last night, I was at a Friday's having dinner with a friend of mine who happened to be black. We're friends, not dating and no relationship.

As we sat there, two unattractive white women sat sneering at us from a table next to us.

I heard "...take all the good men..."

And a lot of other racially charged comments. Luckily for them, my friend didn't hear them. (I have hyper-active hearing and I can hear **** like this all the time). That would have been an ugly scene and they would have looked like even bigger *******s than they were.

Have we really come anywhere in race relations? These women were about 28-35...so it's not like they were from the Brown V. Board of Education days. They've been raised in a society that encourages inclusion and tolerance of differences.

I was shocked. As I left, I looked directly at them and towards them. One of them got pissed, one of them buried her head in shame.

So, tRCMB...what's the deal? Do we talk a good game but don't follow through with it?

Does anyone here...honestly...have a problem with two people of different "races" and sexes having dinner together?

[teamdiscoverychannel]

Originally Posted by Craig Christ

Once you go black, you never go back.

So true, so true ..

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by Alan Finger

I'm white and my wife is black. We've been married for almost 10 years, dated for 4 more. We've lived in Philly, metro D, Chicago and San Fran. We've gotten some looks from time to time, mostly from the brothers in certain neighborhoods, but no one's ever said anything to us, and I've never overheard comments like the ones you heard or otherwise. Of course, I don't have superpower hearing. Or maybe I'm just not one of the good ones.

I was shocked Alan...both that they said it and that I heard it. It was one of those lulls you catch yourself in when the music/conversation dies down but your volume hasn't adjusted...But I don't think you aren't one of the good ones...hell you are a man mountain I'm sure a few girl shirpas would want to climb that.

Originally Posted by classof??

No sheeyot it doesn't, hence the comment about the white trashness of the people.

True story, about 15 years ago I lived in Japan. When it came time to move back to the US, one of the determining factors in not pushing hard for my then gf to move here with me was exactly that kind of a mentality that existed in the Lansing area. Not that I couldn't handle it, but the fact that she would never understand why people act like that (although it happened at times in reverse in Japan). I really had no desire for her to come here and be miserable because of the attitudes of the people. Luckily, I was able to see the effect it had on some friends relationships when they went through it. If she was able to speak English moderately well, I might have considered it.

Ok ok...we're on the same page.

Sorry to hear about that. People are just afraid of difference.