Black girl, white guy in a restaurant

[G Norm Oosdyk]

Originally Posted by Cmdr.Nebula

prediction: the girl on American Idol idol now will end up with a white guy.

Not David Archuleta. I think that dude is gay...

[SouthFloridaSpartan]

I have no problem with people of different races having dinner, getting married, etc. It absolutely floors me when I hear stories like that...I can't believe people even care.
My partner has an annoying aunt, who is supposed to be "extremely religious". She is about the most racist person I know, which makes me sick, especially when she cloaks her beliefs with the Bible....

[SouthFloridaSpartan]

Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

Not David Archuleta. I think that dude is gay...

You "THINK" he's gay????
After watching one episode, I didn't think there was any other option...

[Jersey Spartan]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about the song by kid rock.

Black chick white guy
Does it mean **** maybe
I don't know but yo it never phased me
But either way heres one tail
Of two like that and what prevailed
It started way back in the 8th grade
In the small old town where the two both stayed
He came from a family of middle class
Where everything he did he always had to ask
She came from a place that was so alone
You know the same old tail of a broken home
Her momma was an alkie (sp?) and more like a friend
Had three different kids from three different men
And that's just the way **** was
Couldn't change it couldn't rearrange it so there it was
Anyway the two kept on
With the phone calls notes and so on and so on
And after the bull**** and whatten
That day came the two started ****in'
All the time you know kids habit's
Every single day ****in' like rabbits
Sneakin out the car when he was 15
Climbin' in the window and ****in' all night see
****in' during lunch in the junior high bathrooms
Drinking champagne and trippin' on mushrooms
His dick was metal her ***** was a magnet
9th grade came I'm pregnant?
**** got frantic and man oh Lord it was a tuff decision
But they decided to abort it
It might have been right it might have been wrong
But one thing's for sure it really ****ed his head up
Where is it who is it how is it was it right
These are the things he thought in bed at night
A lot of people might laugh at this
But **** 'em they don't know the half of it
Ain't no sunshine when you're low
I'm low
People tell me life's a game I'm not playin'
******* don't mean **** to me anymore
I have taken my blows I'm still standin'

Now as time went on the the two kept on
They kept seeing each other off and on
See she moved to the city and you know what happened
Black chic with a real white accent
Pretty girl in the ghetto go figure
Yeah she got macked by some dope dealin' ******
Still seein' that other kid on the side
She kept most of her thoughts inside
See all the first guy did was just love her
While that punk mother ****er used to beat her and punch her
She was livin' all wild
I think all she ever wanted was the love of her own child
She asked the first guy to have his baby
He looked at her like she must be crazy
He was makin' records and goin' on tour
20,000 people hip hoppin on the floor
And all that while she sat at home and got macked
If she stepped out of line she got slapped
And then one day she prayed to the Lord to take that guy away
And he did he got caught with a loaded gun
And went to jail but first she had his son
Ooohh and now what to do
She had no man no money and no clue
Now the other guy came back from tourin'
And she called him up early one mornin'
They hooked up her mind was blown
As he began to raise her son as his own
And that's a lot of **** to deal with man
And if you ain't been there you wouldn't understand
And people still laugh at this ****
**** 'em they don't know the half of it

Ain't no sunshine when you're low
I'm low
People tell me life's a game I'm not playin'
******* don't mean **** to me anymore
I have taken my blows I'm still standin'

Now for the next year there was some good times
A few bad times mostly good times
See he was a ramblin' man to the bone
He liked women and wine and he loved to roam
Not like she was any kind of Saint
See in this story there's a lot of red paint
But time kept slippin' and made her crazy
And she talked about havin' another baby
The guy was like ooh Lord
We got one now that we can't afford
But she convinced she could handle two
Said I want your child or I'm leavin you
I can't figure out why then he didn't run
I guess he was attached to her and her son
All confused about what to do
That girl met another guy and was ****in' him too
Slut
Could barely pay her rent
And then the same old **** I'm pregrant?
And if that ain't some **** cuz
The girl didn't even know who the father was
And still by her side the first guy stayed
Head gettin' more ****ed by the day
He stuck it out for nine months I don't know why
And then a little girl on the Fourth of July
Was born in the front seat of his car
It was amazing
Kinda like a shooting star
He was happy told his family and friends
Only to realize later his little girl wasn't his
And that crushed him quick
Suicidal thoughts were in his head real thick
But before he found all that out
From the same chick another kid popped out
And that ****'s real ill
Girl told him that she was takin' the ****in' pill
She must have known all along
The little girl wasn't his and she was tryin' to latch on
Three different kids from three different men
History repeats itself again
And after some more **** got stirred
He kicked that bitch to the curb
And now from her he's got a little boy that makes him laugh a bit
And he loves him
But still you don't know the ****in' half of it

Ain't no sunshine when you're low
I'm low
People tell me life's a game I'm not playin'
******* don't mean **** to me anymore
I have taken my blows I'm still standin'
I'm still standin'
I'm still standin'
I'm still standin'

[ctspartan]

I've got a drop-dead gorgeous black wife. We've been all over Italy, France, London, NYC, Detroit, Lansing/Okemos/Haslett/East Lansing, South Carolina and many parts of the south, you name it, and never had a comment directed our way, so I suspect ISparticus's experience might be an anomaly, although I believe him. Many, many times I've been the only white person in the area, and an equal number of times she's been the only black person. Thousands of times. Then again, I might not be one of the "good ones", although my wife thinks I'm handsome. :-)

There are three places where we've noticed distinct racism.
1) If you're in a nice hotel (only in some parts of the US or Africa, not Europe), they assume my wife is a prostitute.
2) House-seeking or apartment-seeking. Northern hypocrisy - the method by which the Northeast in particular maintains segregation without laws. This is where white women get their revenge, since they control the industry. Can't tell you how many of these brokers and agents I've busted over the years. What's really great (especially in "liberal" Massachusetts, haha) is to do the house/apartment search on your own and then have your minority wife suddenly show up at the signing. The look on the RE (white woman) agent's face is funny beyond belief. The same look on the TV show Punked.
3) Corporate environment - if you're in a managerial or executive position, watch out. Pure correlation: when the women in my groups had never seen my wife, the group worked like a top. After my wife showed up at a Christmas party, the guys, minorities or white, were totally cool, but the women of various colors began all kinds of disruptive behavior, seemingly subconsciously. If you're moving up the corporate ladder, NEVER take your minority wife to a corporate event - your career will go down the tubes. Male business leadership culture thinks of black women as very appropriate to ****, but not marry - a weird form of racism.

Setting the record straight:
1) I've gone back after going black. And after going Indian, Filipino, Chinese, Jewish, etc, also. The juice is equally sweet in all cases.
2) The most racist cultures for inter-ethnic dating are Chinese (totally), followed by Indians. Foxbat was right; way beyond any white racism. Black culture is accepting if you make yourself a part of the community and don't set yourself apart. Jewish dating is beautiful, until it looks like it might be marriage, then it turns nastier than just about anything.

[MSU addict]

Originally Posted by ctspartan

Setting the record straight:
2) The most racist cultures for inter-ethnic dating are Chinese (totally), followed by Indians. Foxbat was right; way beyond any white racism. Black culture is accepting if you make yourself a part of the community and don't set yourself apart. Jewish dating is beautiful, until it looks like it might be marriage, then it turns nastier than just about anything.

My wife is Jewish (I am not) and I could not disagree more. Granted, Judeism is a complex matter but children born of a Jewish mother under Halakha (basically Jewish law) are considered Jews, plain and simple. Children born of a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father are not considered Jews, so if anything the pressure is on the male to marry Jewish.

I also have done my fair share of world travel and living in foreign countries. I would add to the list of countries that frown on inter-ethnic dating as a society- Japan (IMHO tops the list) and Germany.

[sarcyspice]

I am a large black dude... I have dated white women, my better half at the moment is a gorgeous white lady

The interesting and funny for me about this conversation is this....

When I did my time at university at MSU and dated white women, we use to get all the "stares" it didn't bother me half as much as the women I was with...

When I did the rest of my uni life in England, no problems at all.... The UK is light years ahead of the US in terms of being multicultrual.... In fact my white friends get more upset if the odd racial slur was thrown at me by the "morons", it just like water off a ducks back to me..........

It is always interesting because when I go back to New York and Chicago and Atlanta to see the folks... you still get the stares.. but not as many as you use to... so it is heading in the right direction.... slowly.... but getting there.....

[Enrico Palazzo]

Originally Posted by ctspartan

Setting the record straight:
1) I've gone back after going black. And after going Indian, Filipino, Chinese, Jewish, etc, also. The juice is equally sweet in all cases.
2) The most racist cultures for inter-ethnic dating are Chinese (totally), followed by Indians. Foxbat was right; way beyond any white racism. Black culture is accepting if you make yourself a part of the community and don't set yourself apart. Jewish dating is beautiful, until it looks like it might be marriage, then it turns nastier than just about anything.

As I mentioned above, I'm married to a Filipino girl and while I've experienced very limited racism/prejudice from her family (one "Filipino Centric" cousin who didn't come to our wedding but has since come around and is really cool to me now), but among the Asian community, we've experienced negativity among immigrant Asians, mainly directed towards her. The immigrant Asians are generally more "clanish" than those who grew up here, they stick together, rarely hang out with anyone outside of their ethnic group and frown on anyone who does, especially one who dates or marries a non-Asian. However, among Asians born here, little to nothing.

Of course, depending on where you are in the US racism can be experienced. I took my wife back to the town I grew up in, a small all-white town in Western MI, she was very uncomfortable with the looks we got and some comments that came her way (one guy came up to her when I was elsewhere and asked "are you an injun?"). I once applied for a job at a school in the South, a co-worker, who had been married to a non-white when he worked in that area, told me not to do it, being in an inter-racial marriage would be hell down there for me as it was for him. It's sad that such and attitude exists but that's reality, if you're in such a relationship you have to deal with it and know that it's become less and less prevelant in society today.

[DB]

Remember the Titans.

[DB]

Originally Posted by sarcyspice

I am a large black dude... I have dated white women, my better half at the moment is a gorgeous white lady

The interesting and funny for me about this conversation is this....

When I did my time at university at MSU and dated white women, we use to get all the "stares" it didn't bother me half as much as the women I was with...

When I did the rest of my uni life in England, no problems at all.... The UK is light years ahead of the US in terms of being multicultrual.... In fact my white friends get more upset if the odd racial slur was thrown at me by the "morons", it just like water off a ducks back to me..........

It is always interesting because when I go back to New York and Chicago and Atlanta to see the folks... you still get the stares.. but not as many as you use to... so it is heading in the right direction.... slowly.... but getting there.....

show off. braggart.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by ctspartan

2) The most racist cultures for inter-ethnic dating are Chinese (totally), followed by Indians. Foxbat was right; way beyond any white racism. Black culture is accepting if you make yourself a part of the community and don't set yourself apart. Jewish dating is beautiful, until it looks like it might be marriage, then it turns nastier than just about anything.

My room-mate is Chinese (born in China) and we've had a lot of discussions about racism in non-white cultures. From our discussions, his family(extended) doesn't care if the kids marry whites, chinese or other asians. The prospect of a chinese girl marrying, or even dating, a black man would evidently give his grandma a heart attack.

From his perspective, Koreans are way more racist about relationships than the chinese, and Indians really take the cake. Evidently traditional Indian families require you to not only marry another Indian, but one of the same skin color. A shade too dark or too light is frowned upon.

[MSUchick77]

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

My room-mate is Chinese (born in China) and we've had a lot of discussions about racism in non-white cultures. From our discussions, his family(extended) doesn't care if the kids marry whites, chinese or other asians. The prospect of a chinese girl marrying, or even dating, a black man would evidently give his grandma a heart attack.

My family doesn't really care either. Of course they would probably be thrilled if any of us ended up with another Asian, but at the same time, this isn't NYC or SF where there are a ton of Asians around. The selection pool here is slim, and they recognize that.

Originally Posted by SpartanRocky

From his perspective, Koreans are way more racist about relationships than the chinese, and Indians really take the cake. Evidently traditional Indian families require you to not only marry another Indian, but one of the same skin color. A shade too dark or too light is frowned upon.

I've never heard of the Indians being so strict--maybe my friend's families are more progressive than most.

[SpartanRocky]

Originally Posted by MSUchick77

My family doesn't really care either. Of course they would probably be thrilled if any of us ended up with another Asian, but at the same time, this isn't NYC or SF where there are a ton of Asians around. The selection pool here is slim, and they recognize that.


I've never heard of the Indians being so strict--maybe my friend's families are more progressive than most.

The Indian families that i grew up with (granted that was about 4-5) and the dozen or so that are in grad school with me all deal with this. I understand my perspective is limited, but it's literally all I've ever seen. Their families are all very traditional, so that may be it.

[STSM]

Originally Posted by Tom Hagen

YouTube - INXS - Original Sin

Why is Hutchence wearing sunglasses while driving a motorcycle at night, but no helmet?

[STSM]

It all started with Tom and Helen Willis.

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by STSM

It all started with Tom and Helen Willis.

(Or Thomas Jefferson, but he wasn't on every week at 8 pm)

[Brock F@%ing Sampson]

Originally Posted by SouthFloridaSpartan

I have no problem with people of different races having dinner, getting married, etc. It absolutely floors me when I hear stories like that...I can't believe people even care.
My partner has an annoying aunt, who is supposed to be "extremely religious". She is about the most racist person I know, which makes me sick, especially when she cloaks her beliefs with the Bible....

She does because she's been taught to.

[ctspartan]

Originally Posted by MSUchick77

My family doesn't really care either. Of course they would probably be thrilled if any of us ended up with another Asian, but at the same time, this isn't NYC or SF where there are a ton of Asians around. The selection pool here is slim, and they recognize that.


I've never heard of the Indians being so strict--maybe my friend's families are more progressive than most.

You're in a VERY atypical situation. Sample 100 Chinese at random (let the white guy do the sampling) and you'd see what I mean. As to Indians...

My former partner was a Tamil who did the usual Indian thing with the astrology. He found a chick with a score of 34 (really high compatibility) and brought her to the office to introduce her. She was a dark-skinned Melissa Theuriault - perhaps the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life up close - she could have won Miss Universe. She also had a master's from Harvard, etc. In other words, a potential candidate for The Perfect Woman. So he then goes to India and Singapore to introduce her to the family, and in two seconds, the relationship was off. Her skin was TOO DARK. (and my partner was a dark-skinned Indian himself).

Plus, she had a couple "American ways" in her (thinking for herself, that kind of thing). Not good enough for a simple lower-middle-class Indian family. ROTFL.

[ctspartan]

Originally Posted by STSM

It all started with Tom and Helen Willis.

And of course they picked an annoying idiot white guy and an unattractive black woman just to make sure nobody got any ideas. It took decades more before a cool white dude (like ISparticus I'm sure) could hook up with an absolutely hot black chick on TV or in the movies. Can't let the myth of black women's sensuality out of the bag - that would be too controversial for folks in West Virginia.