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05-15-2008, 10:23 PM
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05-15-2008, 10:27 PM
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gee.....I wonder who "Tim" is? 
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05-15-2008, 10:29 PM
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I went to the link and the page was "deleted or missing". What does that mean?
If true, MSU has three QB's in one class, and the opportunity to lose two. Suppose one of Cousins or Foles leaves quickly, and then someone leaves when the new starter is picked. KNucklehead has already shown he won't ride the pine, so will he do it at MSU if he doesn't win the job for '09? If KN wins the job what does Foles and/or Cousins do? What does Maxwell do if he ends up E11 and sees KN in front of him for 3 seasons?
I don't have a problem putting the best players on the field, that said taking a kid who wouldn't even speak to you when he was a recruit, after saying he would, just doesn't sit right. It fundamentally changes the outlook for the guys who wanted to come to MSU from the start. IMO Dantonio is taking a big risk for a shiny object.
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05-15-2008, 10:30 PM
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if Dantonio has given him a scholarship so be it. However, I hope physics apply. I hope that the reaction is that Maxwell and Cousins and Foles walk out the back door. I hope they do it at the airport as the team is boarding for Cal. and it wouldn't bother me one bit if any others that believe in fairness would balk too.
I thought I had this new coach figured, I thought we hadn't had someone with his honesty and integrity, I was wrong and I'm old enough that I should have know.
Cousins, Foles do the right thing, walk.
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Didn't Foles decommit before coming to MSU? Should all of our defensive ends transfer because we accepted Anderson on a transfer? I could understand you point if we revoked the scholarship of our current players to bring him in, but they have the opportunity to compete which only improves the team.
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05-15-2008, 10:38 PM
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What dorm did all you guys live in at State?
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None. Transferred in. 745 Burcham, then Berrytree Apts. Then, there was this psycho dude who....
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05-15-2008, 10:41 PM
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#61 Arthur Ray Jr.
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where are the numbers that support your argument? How has the kid been a joke? He switched his commitment, big deal? So did foles,greg jones,andre anderson does that make them a joke?
Now he's transfering here like Trevor Anderson, is he a joke too?
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Difference between Foles & KN is that Foles was told he was the lone QB recruit for ASU and when Erickson showed up he decided to recruit other QB's. ASU busted that deal. MSU didn't recruit other QB's in addition to KN, they took two afterward, and with both QB's knowing a two QB class was possible.
Now MSU has 3 QB's on the team or committed who have found out there's more competition than they bargained for. Hopefully they all stay, or at least it doesn't cause Maxwell to re-evaluate now that there could be a 3 year logjam in front of him.
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05-15-2008, 10:45 PM
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I went to the link and the page was "deleted or missing". What does that mean?
If true, MSU has three QB's in one class, and the opportunity to lose two. Suppose one of Cousins or Foles leaves quickly, and then someone leaves when the new starter is picked. KNucklehead has already shown he won't ride the pine, so will he do it at MSU if he doesn't win the job for '09? If KN wins the job what does Foles and/or Cousins do? What does Maxwell do if he ends up E11 and sees KN in front of him for 3 seasons?
I don't have a problem putting the best players on the field, that said taking a kid who wouldn't even speak to you when he was a recruit, after saying he would, just doesn't sit right. It fundamentally changes the outlook for the guys who wanted to come to MSU from the start. IMO Dantonio is taking a big risk for a shiny object. |
Redshirt. Learn for 2 seasons as the backup (play when needed). Start for 2 years with a team full of Dantonio's recruits (which are looking pretty good so far).
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05-15-2008, 10:47 PM
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won't there be a 2 year logjam for maxwell...and if he redshirts, it'll just be 1 year?
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05-15-2008, 10:47 PM
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Redshirt. Learn for 2 seasons as the backup (play when needed). Start for 2 years with a team full of Dantonio's recruits (which are looking pretty good so far).
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I hope, or maybe just re-opens his recruitment and see what comes along. I would rather have Maxwell than Nichol.
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05-15-2008, 10:48 PM
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This might have been discussed already, but its going to be nice having him run the scout team as a speedy qb.
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05-15-2008, 10:51 PM
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I hope, or maybe just re-open his recruitment and see what comes along. I would rather have Maxwell than Nichol.
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And this would suck. But I cant fault Coach D for taking Nichol. When a good QB falls in your lap, you take him... always...regardless of who you have, or who you are supposed to have in a couple years.
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05-15-2008, 10:51 PM
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#61 Arthur Ray Jr.
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won't there be a 2 year logjam for maxwell...and if he redshirts, it'll just be 1 year?
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No, KN sits this year while Maxwell redshirts, then has what 2 or 3 years to play? He's only used 1 year, and since he didn't redshirt, it would seem like he could call the year he sits his redshirt year, but maybe it counts as a year of eligibility. Don't think so though, cause that's not what happened w/ Trevor Anderson.
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05-15-2008, 10:52 PM
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This might have been discussed already, but its going to be nice having him run the scout team as a speedy qb.
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And the beauty is, he can run the scout team all season without having to be prepared to play. As dumb as this sounds, Keith Nichol could help MSU's d-backs get better this season.
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05-15-2008, 10:53 PM
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#1 Kalin Lucas
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No, KN sits this year while Maxwell redshirts, then has what 2 or 3 years to play? He's only used 1 year, and since he didn't redshirt, it would seem like he could call the year he sits his redshirt year, but maybe it counts as a year of eligibility. Don't think so though, cause that's not what happened w/ Trevor Anderson.
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After this season, Nichol has 3 years remaining.
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05-15-2008, 10:54 PM
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And this would suck. But I cant fault Coach D for taking Nichol. When a good QB falls in your lap, you take him... always...regardless of who you have, or who you are supposed to have in a couple years.
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No, there are a lot of reasons you don't take a star player. Ask Tressell about Clarett and the mess he caused in his short stay at OSU. KN could end up just as discontented at MSU as at OU, and who knows if/how that will cause problems. Like I said, MSU could lose more than 1 QB over this in the long term.
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05-15-2008, 10:55 PM
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still dont think he will ever see significant minutes for the spartans
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05-15-2008, 10:56 PM
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#82 Keshawn Martin
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No, KN sits this year while Maxwell redshirts, then has what 2 or 3 years to play? He's only used 1 year, and since he didn't redshirt, it would seem like he could call the year he sits his redshirt year, but maybe it counts as a year of eligibility. Don't think so though, cause that's not what happened w/ Trevor Anderson.
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Nichol sits this year, Maxwell redshirts in 09. KN can play 09/10/11. Maxwell can play 10/11/12/13. Maxwell is in high school this year.
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05-15-2008, 10:56 PM
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Kind of surprised he's willing to go into the Lion's den on this one..going to be a lot of scrutiny and pressure.
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I don't think tRCMB is a good proxy for the over all feeling towards an MSU player--or even less a recruit. I have said it before, but I firmly believe that of the 75,000 people in Spartan Stadium on Saturdays at most 400 will know enough about Keith Nichol to have formed an opinion, the remainder--if they know his name at all--will only know about the feel good Joe Rexide story from the LSJ 'Keith Nichol Comes Home to be a QB Hero.'
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05-15-2008, 10:57 PM
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No, there are a lot of reasons you don't take a star player. Ask Tressell about Clarett and the mess he caused in his short stay at OSU. KN could end up just as discontented at MSU as at OU, and who knows if/how that will cause problems. Like I said, MSU could lose more than 1 QB over this in the long term. |
I get your point, but there are other factors with Clarett outside of football. Keith Nichol doesnt have off the field problems. He is a highly touted QB who has done nothing wrong besides lose a starting job that he thought he could win. I dont see the correlation.
Obviously, you always have to factor in character, and there is a trade off of talent vs character. Nichol has no character issue, he is just talent, why wouldnt you want him?
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05-15-2008, 10:58 PM
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Nichol sits this year, Maxwell redshirts in 09. KN can play 09/10/11. Maxwell can play 10/11/12/13. Maxwell is in high school this year.
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Bam. But he gets no guaranteed starting spot. Foles will challenge him for the spot, which will only make both better.
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