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Old 08-25-2008, 09:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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The administration, alumni, players and high schools seem to have
pulled together with Dantonio as they see Hollis and him as the first real chance
in damn near 40 years to build something that is a successful program.
I give most of the credit of this to President Simon. First MSU president in over 40 years that gave a damn about football.
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:31 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I admire you passion and am impressed with your flowchart Iggy.

But MSU had plenty of chances to turn things around since 1976 and they ****ed it up on their own accord. And I just can't, for example, blame something like the hiring of BW, because the players liked him, on what happened in 1976. MSU was well clear of that era and had a chance to move forward then, but they screwed the pooch on their own.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:23 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I admire you passion and am impressed with your flowchart Iggy.

But MSU had plenty of chances to turn things around since 1976 and they ****ed it up on their own accord. And I just can't, for example, blame something like the hiring of BW, because the players liked him, on what happened in 1976. MSU was well clear of that era and had a chance to move forward then, but they screwed the pooch on their own.
Iggy was not saying that Woody was the resason BW blew it, or that Woody was the sole reason for all of the failure. He was saying that Woody stood at the top of the mountainl, and pushed the snowball off the edge. Woody started this mess rolling. But most importantly, he did it with malice and forthought. He did it will intent to cripple a program that had become a thorn in his side. And he did it in a nature that was so vile. He was ripping a program to shreds for doing nothing more, infact much LESS than what HIS OWN program was doing in terms of NCAA violations. I wish I could find the link for you, but I dont have the time or the patience tonight.

Woody was the straw that stirred the drink. Make no mistake about that.
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