Will MSU benefit from the deeper 3-pt. line?

[Bruce Banner Ad]

This guy seems to think so.

How the new*three-point line will affect the game - Luke Winn - SI.com

Hopefully this move bites wusconsin on both offense AND defense.

The ncaa should've adopted the international line.

[Coach Hoski]

YES! It seems like our opponents are always nailing bogus three's against us, and our 3-point defense is sub-par to begin with. I think this makes playing defense easier for the Spartans of Coach Tom Izzo.

Thanks for posting this.

[ErnieMcCracken]

I dont think it will affect Walton all that much. In the end, yes I think it helps our program in the long run.

[Bruce Banner Ad]

Originally Posted by Coach Hoski

YES! It seems like our opponents are always nailing bogus three's against us, and our 3-point defense is sub-par to begin with. I think this makes playing defense easier for the Spartans of Coach Tom Izzo.

Thanks for posting this.

Well, it's not going to help our actual defense, b/c we're going to have even more ground to cover. Our defesive numbers may improve, if opponents start bricking from a foot further away.

I think our best hope is if we can get Allen and Lucas hitting the new three, it'll open up the inside for us nicely.

[rossmanp]

I don't think MSU'll see Raymar shooting from behind the line as much, but with Allen and Lucas' shooting (and Lucious maybe? Someone needs to inform me on his shot), should be fine offensively. Defensively, MSU should benefit a little obviously, but people forget that MSU's three point defense has been good through the past few years. To paraphrase Izzo, "once a team makes one or two, you think they've made a whole lot more."

[WCS]

Originally Posted by Coach Hoski

YES! It seems like our opponents are always nailing bogus three's against us, and our 3-point defense is sub-par to begin with. I think this makes playing defense easier for the Spartans of Coach Tom Izzo.

Thanks for posting this.

Do you have any 3pt fg stats from last year that supports your claim that MSU's 3pt defense is sub-par?

Just curious...I've heard people say that about us, but I've never seen proof.

[smosuup]

my guess is that by the hard stats we're probably above average in 3 pt D, however, it just always seems that teams or individual players go bonkers on us at crucial times in games...

but that also may be b/c we expect to win a lot of games and want to win every close one

[spartanblogger]

I'd say it's a marginal benefit to MSU.

On the one hand, I worry our marginal 3-point shooters (Lucas, Morgan, Summers, and maybe even Suton) will suffer more than guys with pure 3-point strokes will.

One the other hand, we're clearly much less reliant on 3-pointers than most teams (we ranked 333rd out 341 teams in the % of our FG attempts taken from 3-point range), so a general reduction in 3-point shooting percentages shouldn't hurt us as much.

[mullet-head]

YES
Since we can't defend against the 3 and we don't shoot many/make many that we shoot it will help out alot

[Buzzer Beater]

It helps MSU a great deal. Bottom line, Izzo has never had teams that rely upon the 3-pt shot. He runs most of his sets inside. It hurts the teams that shoot the most 3's. Everybody's percentage will drop pretty equally.

Also, those of you saying we don't defend the 3's well are misinformed. MSU's 3pt% defense is actually better than average, we just have had some backbreakers made against us the last few years.

[rossmanp]

Originally Posted by mullet-head

YES
Since we can't defend against the 3 and we don't shoot many/make many that we shoot it will help out alot

What are you talking about? We had the best three-point defense, percentage wise, in the Big Ten last season:

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PCT DEFENSE
## Team G FG FGA Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Michigan State...... 36 228 734 .311
2.Wisconsin........... 36 194 620 .313
3.Ohio State.......... 37 281 879 .320
4.Iowa................ 32 196 591 .332
5.Illinois............ 35 215 641 .335
6.Minnesota........... 34 215 640 .336
7.Indiana............. 33 229 671 .341
8.Purdue.............. 34 184 528 .348
9.Penn State.......... 31 235 659 .357
10.Michigan............ 32 237 623 .380
11.Northwestern........ 30 248 632 .392

Also, MSU was second in 3-point percentage:

3-POINT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGES
## Team G FG FGA Pct
---------------------------------------------
1.Purdue.............. 34 253 679 .373
2.Michigan State...... 36 179 483 .371
3.Minnesota........... 34 245 667 .367
4.Northwestern........ 30 246 671 .367
5.Wisconsin........... 36 212 596 .356
6.Indiana............. 33 221 633 .349
7.Iowa................ 32 222 640 .347
8.Penn State.......... 31 227 668 .340
9.Ohio State.......... 37 252 748 .337
10.Illinois............ 35 196 614 .319
11.Michigan............ 32 228 731 .312

Wisconsin's on par, and the main reason no one makes a lot of threes against them is that they slow the game down to a crawl, possessions-wise.

[WBill]

The claim that MSU doesn't defend the 3 point line as well as most teams is a myth. They were in the top 3 in the Big Ten last year in opponent's 3 point FG %.

Opponents typicallly do attempt more 3's against MSU because State's defense inside the arc is even tougher.

[notsofungi]

Another perception becomes reality thing. Just like when you hear that Izzo doesn't like his teams to run or Bo Ryan wins with subpar recruits. Most people just spout the drivel they read on message boards or hear uninformed announcers say during TV broadcasts.

[spartanblogger]

Originally Posted by rossmanp

I don't think MSU'll see Raymar shooting from behind the line as much, but with Allen and Lucas' shooting (and Lucious maybe? Someone needs to inform me on his shot), should be fine offensively. Defensively, MSU should benefit a little obviously, but people forget that MSU's three point defense has been good through the past few years. To paraphrase Izzo, "once a team makes one or two, you think they've made a whole lot more."

From what I've read, Lucious has a pure 3-point stroke. Should be a better outside shooter than Lucas.

[MSUtopia]

The new line is going to especially hurt guys who aren't great three point shooters but good enough to attract such tight defense that they can make a move, put the ball on the floor and force help coverage then shoot if open or kick it out. This strategy really was effectively employed by teams like Purdue last year.

[green night]

It well help our defense a fair amount.

It help us prevent the upset a little as well. UM, NW are losers in this new era.

[o4k13k]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

This guy seems to think so.

How the new*three-point line will affect the game - Luke Winn - SI.com

Hopefully this move bites wusconsin on both offense AND defense.

The ncaa should've adopted the international line.

I hope so too. I'm sick of tall white centers (albino boy) making three's

[IGGcitable]

Originally Posted by green night

It well help our defense a fair amount.

It help us prevent the upset a little as well. UM, NW are losers in this new era.

"New era"?? It's not like they moved the line back 10 feet.

The effects will be barely noticeable.

[WCS]

Offense:

Izzo stated that he wants his team to play more athletic this year...he wants to optimize the dribble penetration.

The best thing about the new 3 point line is that it provides more room inside to dribble penetrate. Lucas/Walton/Lucious will have opportunities to be triple option threats on the dribble penetration - go to the hoop, dump off to an inside guy, kick out to a perimeter shot.

[Fletch]

Originally Posted by Coach Hoski

YES! It seems like our opponents are always nailing bogus three's against us, and our 3-point defense is sub-par to begin with. I think this makes playing defense easier for the Spartans of Coach Tom Izzo.

Thanks for posting this.

I hope you don't coach basketball.

[WCS]

Originally Posted by IGGcitable

"New era"?? It's not like they moved the line back 10 feet.

The effects will be barely noticeable.

It would be a new era if there was a significant statistical difference between 3pt shots made below the new 3 point line and shots made at or beyond the new 3 pt line.

Of course each shot has to be tracked in order to do that analysis and I doubt that data is out there.

[Bruce Banner Ad]

I'm surprised our 3-point shooting was better than wusconsin's. When they play us, it seems like they never miss.

Man, just when Suton extended his range to the old line, they move it back a foot!

[JohnSpringer]

Originally Posted by IGGcitable

"New era"?? It's not like they moved the line back 10 feet.

The effects will be barely noticeable.

So true green night is talking like the line is going to be 32 feet.

[Fatwa Dakkash]

Originally Posted by green night

It well help our defense a fair amount.

It help us prevent the upset a little as well. UM, NW are losers in this new era.

Disagree on Northwestern. They play zone defense primarily, and in any case, Coble and Moore have plenty of range on the 3.


And while this may be damning by faint praise, Carmody now has the best collection of talent he's had since coming to Evanston, with the major influx of size coming with this current recruiting class (including 6 foot 10 Kyle Rowley).


Of course, if Coach C. wants to stay employed by Northwestern University beyond 2010, he probably needs to get the Cats to the NCAA tournament either this year or next, but that's another story...

[Sir Denis Eton-Hogg]

Originally Posted by Fatwa Dakkash

Of course, if Coach C. wants to stay employed by Northwestern University beyond 2010, he probably needs to get the Cats to the NIT this year, but that's another story...

Fixed it.