Red Wings sign Marian Hossa - Page 3 - SpartanTailgate.com

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnSpringer

If every team spent to the cap I would agree but the sport is extremely unhealthy right now.

what teams aren't spending to the cap? The cap is determined by revenue.

JohnSpringer · 07-02-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wingfanjim

what teams aren't spending to the cap? The cap is determined by revenue.

Well 3 teams now have to just spend to get to the floor and you know they won't be spending to the cap at all. Before free agency started two thirds of the NHL had 20 mil to spend in free agency. Combine that with a poor free agent crop in general you won't get those 20 teams to spend to the cap the numbers don't mesh. Ok now that the nhl cap site is up we can look at 07/08.

LA
Buff
Pitt
Atl
NYI
TBay
Fla
Was
SJ
Columbus
Phoenix
Nashville

Right there those are 12 teams that had 7+ mil in cap space last year and didn't spend near the cap. Add that to the cap going up 5 mil we all know with the exception of Tampa Bay because of new ownership they won't be anywhere near the cap.

Remember it doesn't matter that the cap is determined by revenue it matters what individual teams make in order for them to spend money. Right now the league is being carried by 8-10 teams and the other 20 or so are floundering.

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

From the TSN article:

"The $7.4 million that Hossa will earn next season, is the most Detroit would pay anyone - even an unrestricted free agent. The Red Wings were insistent that no one earn more money than six-time Norris Trophy winner Nicklas Lidstrom."

Which is exactly why I think all the people saying that Zetterberg was going to get 8 or 9 million next year in the NHL Free Agency thread are wrong. Z isn't going to make more than Lidstrom. The Wings will lock him up for 5 or 6 years at $7.4 a year.

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnSpringer

Well 3 teams now have to just spend to get to the floor and you know they won't be spending to the cap at all. Before free agency started two thirds of the NHL had 20 mil to spend in free agency. Combine that with a poor free agent crop in general you won't get those 20 teams to spend to the cap the numbers don't mesh.

Perhaps some of the teams were being smart. I felt that some of the teams vastly overpaid for what they are getting. Darcy Tucker comes to mind.

SpartanInNH · 07-02-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

I am just ecstatic. Wings are loaded for next season.

I, too, am pleased with the signing.

May I, however, sound a muted note of caution? Hossa's rap coming into last season was that he would score bunches of goals during the regular season, and disappear in the playoffs. He seemed to bury that rap last season by scoring in the playoffs -- until the Stanley Cup finals. I'm not looking to win the President's Cup again; I want another Cup. I'm convinced Hossa will help us win one; I'm not so convinced he'll help us win the other.

The best thing about this signing, IMO, is taking him away from Pittsburgh. HA HA!

Jason Grilli's Sofa · 07-02-2008, 02:33 PM

I came.

Hey Pittsburgh, suck it. Hey Hey Hockeytown!

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanInNH

I, too, am pleased with the signing.

May I, however, sound a muted note of caution? Hossa's rap coming into last season was that he would score bunches of goals during the regular season, and disappear in the playoffs. He seemed to bury that rap last season by scoring in the playoffs -- until the Stanley Cup finals. I'm not looking to win the President's Cup again; I want another Cup. I'm convinced Hossa will help us win one; I'm not so convinced he'll help us win the other.

The best thing about this signing, IMO, is taking him away from Pittsburgh. HA HA!

It isn't Hossa's fault he ran into a brickwall known as the Detroit Red Wings.

Packer487 · 07-02-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanInNH

I, too, am pleased with the signing.

May I, however, sound a muted note of caution? Hossa's rap coming into last season was that he would score bunches of goals during the regular season, and disappear in the playoffs. He seemed to bury that rap last season by scoring in the playoffs -- until the Stanley Cup finals. I'm not looking to win the President's Cup again; I want another Cup. I'm convinced Hossa will help us win one; I'm not so convinced he'll help us win the other.

Yeah, all he had in the Finals were 3 goals and 4 assists. In other words, he was in on 70% of Pittsburgh's goals in the Finals. The bum!

JohnSpringer · 07-02-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Perhaps some of the teams were being smart. I felt that some of the teams vastly overpaid for what they are getting. Darcy Tucker comes to mind.

I showed you the list of teams that didn't spend to the cap. It had nothing to do with being smart and everything to do with them not having the money. Buffalo was one of the best teams in the NHL prior to this year and lost both Briere and Drury because they didn't have the money. Add to the fact that they sold out every game and still couldn't keep their own players tells me the sport isn't on good ground right now.

HUT1HUT2 · 07-02-2008, 02:42 PM

Wow. Pittsburgh fans must really, really hate Detroit. Wings should sign Crosby next year.

Snoop · 07-02-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wingfanjim

Which is exactly why I think all the people saying that Zetterberg was going to get 8 or 9 million next year in the NHL Free Agency thread are wrong. Z isn't going to make more than Lidstrom. The Wings will lock him up for 5 or 6 years at $7.4 a year.

If the Wings hold true to that, which I'm sure they will, Zetterberg may make 7.4M in the first year of his new contract (the last year of Lidstom's contract) ... but you can be sure that it will escalate toward 8M sometime after that.

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnSpringer

I showed you the list of teams that didn't spend to the cap. It had nothing to do with being smart and everything to do with them not having the money. Buffalo was one of the best teams in the NHL prior to this year and lost both Briere and Drury because they didn't have the money. Add to the fact that they sold out every game and still couldn't keep their own players tells me the sport isn't on good ground right now.

That might simply be cheap ownership. In the era of salary caps and revenue sharing, they might be employing the Detroit Lions business model of sports ownership. Only put as much money into your team as you need to keep the fans coming back in order to maximize profits. From all reports NHL teams are far healthier now than they were 5 years ago.

SpartanInNH · 07-02-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wingfanjim

It isn't Hossa's fault he ran into a brickwall known as the Detroit Red Wings.

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Originally Posted by Packer487

Yeah, all he had in the Finals were 3 goals and 4 assists. In other words, he was in on 70% of Pittsburgh's goals in the Finals. The bum!

True, and true; he was ineffective (for him) in the Finals, no doubt in part due to the influence of the Red Wings. He certainly didn't pick the Pens up and put them on his back, in any game or (IMHO) any period. I also don't think he will play defense as well as any of our current forwards, but I could be wrong (hope I'm wrong) on that. I'm praying he isn't a new and slightly improved Robert Lang, which is who he reminds me of.

I'm pleased enough with the signing, but am looking at it more as a defensive signing (keep him away from anyone else) than offensive (we need this guy to get us another Cup). As long as he fits in the salary cap (a given -- Ken Holland is GOD), and doesn't gut the team chemistry (to be seen), there's no problem whatsoever. I was just more pleased, frankly, with the Brad Stuart signing.

SpartanInNH · 07-02-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HUT1HUT2

Wow. Pittsburgh fans must really, really hate Detroit. Wings should sign Crosby next year.

wingfanjim · 07-02-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoop

If the Wings hold true to that, which I'm sure they will, Zetterberg may make 7.4M in the first year of his new contract (the last year of Lidstom's contract) ... but you can be sure that it will escalate toward 8M sometime after that.

That's possible. A lot of it may well depend on what Lidstrom does. There is a VERY strong possibility that he will retire after this last contract (or sooner if the Wings win another cup next year). That will have a very interesting effect on what the team does in the future.

icer · 07-02-2008, 02:48 PM

Holy crap! I can't remember the last time Detroit signed such a big name free agent. Hatcher in 03? Hull in 01? Do those even compare?

Snoop · 07-02-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnSpringer

I showed you the list of teams that didn't spend to the cap. It had nothing to do with being smart and everything to do with them not having the money. Buffalo was one of the best teams in the NHL prior to this year and lost both Briere and Drury because they didn't have the money. Add to the fact that they sold out every game and still couldn't keep their own players tells me the sport isn't on good ground right now.

Trust me, Buffalo had the money ... they were just too dang stubborn and waited WAY too long to negotiate new deals with these guys. It got to the point where Briere and Drury said "f-u" and jumped ship.

I work with 2 hard-core Buffalo fans and they assure me that they had plenty of money to spend.

StorkMSU · 07-02-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanInNH

I, too, am pleased with the signing.

May I, however, sound a muted note of caution? Hossa's rap coming into last season was that he would score bunches of goals during the regular season, and disappear in the playoffs. He seemed to bury that rap last season by scoring in the playoffs -- until the Stanley Cup finals. I'm not looking to win the President's Cup again; I want another Cup. I'm convinced Hossa will help us win one; I'm not so convinced he'll help us win the other.

The best thing about this signing, IMO, is taking him away from Pittsburgh. HA HA!

They said the same about Datsyuk...Look how that turned out. I think Hossa's problem (as was the same with Datsyuk) is that he was the best player (or nearly...Lidstrom and Alfredsson(sp?) were on those teams) on a team that underachieved in the playoffs. People were looking for a scapegoat and found one. Look at Hossa's teams...Ottawa - A team that defined playoff underachieving...the whole team, not just Hossa, underachieved. Atlanta - The Thrashers has no business being in the playoffs...Not to mention the total lack of defense or goaltending. Last year, Hossa thrived as a role-player...taking a back seat to Sid and Evgeni.

I do agree that pulling as many players away from Pittsburgh as possible is one of best ways to win the cup (as Pittsburgh is (was?) obviously the class of the east).

That being said, I am still cautiously optimistic about next season. Still, it feels like the summer of 2001 again (when Detroit signed Hull, Hasek, and Robitaille). I can't wait for next season. GO WINGS!

JohnSpringer · 07-02-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Snoop

Trust me, Buffalo had the money ... they were just too dang stubborn and waited WAY too long to negotiate new deals with these guys. It got to the point where Briere and Drury said "f-u" and jumped ship.

I work with 2 hard-core Buffalo fans and they assure me that they had plenty of money to spend.

Then why haven't they spent it on other players? They had to spend it on Vanek or would have lost him but they haven't been going after anybody.

vitocorleone · 07-02-2008, 02:55 PM

Wow. I'm almost upset that I'm graduated and out of Michigan, that's gonna be a hell of a team to watch next season.

My question is how in the hell did you guys get him to agree to a one yr deal?

Didn't Pittsburgh offer somewhere in the general vicinity of 7 Mil annually but over 5 years?

If Hossa's production dips this coming year his bank account will not be very pleased with him.

Snoop · 07-02-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wingfanjim

That's possible. A lot of it may well depend on what Lidstrom does. There is a VERY strong possibility that he will retire after this last contract (or sooner if the Wings win another cup next year). That will have a very interesting effect on what the team does in the future.

Yeah, I would imagine Lidstrom retires at the end of this contract. Of course, that would free up 7.45M to sign another stud defenseman and Holmstrom.

The other beauty of it is that they have a stable of solid young blueliners to bring up within the system.

All that said, there is no replacing Lidstrom ... but they are well suited to lessen the blow a bit.

JDR · 07-02-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Z.Cavaricci

My god...should the rest of the NHL even play next year ? This is HUGE !!!!

My thoughts exactly. Every other owner has to be looking at their GM right now and saying "WTF is your problem?!"

PRStoetzer · 07-02-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vitocorleone

Wow. I'm almost upset that I'm graduated and out of Michigan, that's gonna be a hell of a team to watch next season.

My question is how in the hell did you guys get him to agree to a one yr deal?

Didn't Pittsburgh offer somewhere in the general vicinity of 7 Mil annually but over 5 years?

If Hossa's production dips this coming year his bank account will not be very pleased with him.

Center Ice

Clearly, Hossa came close to winning the cup last year, saw the celebration, and was intrigued by the prospect of joining the team he felt had the strongest chance to win it.

He left a ton of money on the table. I think that's an encouraging sign that he's motivated to play and to win.

MSUchick77 · 07-02-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by icer

Holy crap! I can't remember the last time Detroit signed such a big name free agent. Hatcher in 03? Hull in 01? Do those even compare?

Hull was a pretty good pick up b/c he did contribute a decent amount (from what I remember), but I always thought Hatcher was overrated despite being a hometown boy.