MSU basketball 4th best in BCS era

[kevdawg911]

BASKETBALL ONLY STANDINGS BCS ERA
1. Duke 33.5
2. (tie) Florida 33
2. (tie) Kansas 33
4. Michigan State 32.5
5. Connecticut 30.5
6. North Carolina 26.5
7. UCLA 24
8. Maryland 22
9. Arizona 19
10. Texas 18.5
11. (tie) Illinois 17.5
11. (tie) Kentucky 17.5
13. (tie) Syracuse 16.5
13. (tie) Wisconsin 16.5
15. Ohio State 15.5
16. Memphis 14.5
17. Oklahoma 14
18. Gonzaga 13.5
19. Oklahoma State 13
20. Indiana 12
21. Louisville 11.5
22. Stanford 11
23. Pittsburgh 10.5
24. Georgetown 10
25. Xavier 10

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[LIR Spartan]

That's nice to see, but I am not sure why they are using the BCS as the standard. It certainly has nothing to do with basketball.

[I-Town]

THE FORMULA
National Title = 10 points
Runner-up = 7 points
Final Four = 5 points
Elite Eight = 3 points
Sweet 16 = 2 points
Round of 32 = 1 points
First-round loss (since 1979) = 0.5 points

[G Norm Oosdyk]

Originally Posted by I-Town

THE FORMULA
National Title = 10 points
Runner-up = 7 points
Final Four = 5 points
Elite Eight = 3 points
Sweet 16 = 2 points
Round of 32 = 1 points
First-round loss (since 1979) = 0.5 points

Why are no points awarded for NIT championships?

Signed,

Michigan fans

[Has No Left]

Originally Posted by G Norm Oosdyk

Why are no points awarded for NIT championships?

Signed,

Michigan fans

Or....

Why are no points awarded for conference title & conf tourney titles?

Sincerely,

The "Bo Owns Izzo" crowd

While I'd love a B11 title as much as anyone, the dance is what matters on a national, "program respect" stage.

[26.2]

Originally Posted by LIR Spartan

That's nice to see, but I am not sure why they are using the BCS as the standard. It certainly has nothing to do with basketball.

Just because it is some modern day reference for college sports.

[driveonparkways]

I think the BCS measurement is just confusing...
I thought this was a typo for football, but that didn't seem right either.

[Nigea Carter]

Originally Posted by driveonparkways

I think the BCS measurement is just confusing...
I thought this was a typo for football, but that didn't seem right either.

exactly...it's like an apple and an orange to me. What does the football championship series have to do with college basketball?!??! nothing.....They would have been better off saying best programs since year 1993 or what ever was the first year of the bcs.

[vitocorleone]

Originally Posted by Nigea Carter

exactly...it's like an apple and an orange to me. What does the football championship series have to do with college basketball?!??! nothing.....They would have been better off saying best programs since year 1993 or what ever was the first year of the bcs.

It was 1997.

But as someone said..it's a convenient reference point.

In addition, despite it not having an affect on basketball directly, the BCS changed major college sports completely, what with the millions of dollars schools receive for participating.

Therefore all college sports can be looked at in Pre/Post BCS context.

[RoseBowl]

Pretty stong since '74 too.

SINCE 1974
1. North Carolina 111.5
2. Duke 105
3. Kentucky 95.5
4. Kansas 80
5. UCLA 79.5
6. Indiana 74.5
7. Louisville 70
8. Syracuse 61
9. Georgetown 59
10. Arizona 56
11. Michigan State 55.5
12. Arkansas 52.5
13. Connecticut 49.5
14. Michigan 45.5
15. UNLV 43
16. (tie) Florida 42
16. (tie) Maryland 42
18. Villanova 38
19. Illinois 37
20. Oklahoma 36.5
21. Memphis 35
22. (tie) LSU 31
22. (tie) Utah 31
24. Marquette 30.5
25. Purdue 30

[MikeJohnson]

Originally Posted by RoseBowl

Pretty stong since '74 too.

SINCE 1974
1. North Carolina 111.5
2. Duke 105
3. Kentucky 95.5
4. Kansas 80
5. UCLA 79.5
6. Indiana 74.5
7. Louisville 70
8. Syracuse 61
9. Georgetown 59
10. Arizona 56
11. Michigan State 55.5
12. Arkansas 52.5
13. Connecticut 49.5
14. Michigan 45.5
15. UNLV 43
16. (tie) Florida 42
16. (tie) Maryland 42
18. Villanova 38
19. Illinois 37
20. Oklahoma 36.5
21. Memphis 35
22. (tie) LSU 31
22. (tie) Utah 31
24. Marquette 30.5
25. Purdue 30

Wow that's even more impressive considering the time span. Just look at all of the solid programs we are ahead of. I like to see next years team go at least final four and with the tallent they have that is not far fetched.

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Sparticane

Yes it is. Not gonna happen.

Why is it so far-fetched?

[MikeJohnson]

Originally Posted by Sparticane

Yes it is. Not gonna happen.

We've been to the sweet 16 last year and I think with this years recruiting class we have a legitimate shot at the final four. One thing for sure is that you never underestimate Tom Izzo. What he did last year with that team was just remarkable. We lose Neitzel but the core of our team remains. It's not far fetched at all my friend, and worst comes to worse I don't see anyting lower than an elite 8 appearance. This is also the year that we are going to reclaim the #1 spot in the Big 10 mark my words. Be a little more optomistic my friend.

[MikeJohnson]

Originally Posted by Sparticane

This years recruiting class is Delvon Roe. He's working off an injury, and even after he's 100%, he's still a true frosh that isn't as huge as Kevin Durant or Greg Oden. Big whoop.

Here is the thing about recruiting, you never know how these players are going to pan out. The guy who is a blue chip 3 star recruit, might turnout to be the star in college, and the 5 star guy can end up being a bust. Delvon Roe is going to be a good player and contribute to the team. He might not tear it up this year but I like the way our squad overall looks. There is a lot of potential with this team and under the right leadership, the sky is the limit. Call me optomistic but I really think we have a legitimate shot at the fianl four.

[MikeJohnson]

Originally Posted by Sparticane

Well, I'm calling you optimistic, and I'm also calling that Delvon Roe is going to be a great addition to this team, but is not going to "tear it up" a la Oden or Durant. There's been a lot of "potential" on MSU's teams for the past few years. We've been sitting on potential since the last time we won a title. None of it ever pans out. I call it like I see it, and I'm calling that we have a pretty damn good team, but a damn good team that's not "great" enough to compete with the elite. We'll have some good wins next season, and we'll have some bad losses, and when it's all said and done, people like you who are expecting another trophy in the case are going to be disappointed even though you shouldn't be...

Well let's not go too far I never said we are going to put another trophy in the case, but don't be surprised if MSU finishes on top of the Big 10. By the way wow it's kind ofundair to compare this kid to Kevin Durant and Greg Oden. For the love of God those guys went #1 and #2 in the draft. I respect your opinion but hey I hope that at the end of the season you are wrong and I'm right. If the Spartans get hot at the rigth time there is a shot that they can make it to the Final Four. A National Championship title is just asking too much for this squad. I think that even agaisnt the elite teams we can sure give them a run for their money.

[SpartanNYC]

Originally Posted by kevdawg911

BASKETBALL ONLY STANDINGS BCS ERA
1. Duke 33.5
2. (tie) Florida 33
2. (tie) Kansas 33
4. Michigan State 32.5
5. Connecticut 30.5
6. North Carolina 26.5
7. UCLA 24
8. Maryland 22
9. Arizona 19
10. Texas 18.5
11. (tie) Illinois 17.5
11. (tie) Kentucky 17.5
13. (tie) Syracuse 16.5
13. (tie) Wisconsin 16.5
15. Ohio State 15.5
16. Memphis 14.5
17. Oklahoma 14
18. Gonzaga 13.5
19. Oklahoma State 13
20. Indiana 12
21. Louisville 11.5
22. Stanford 11
23. Pittsburgh 10.5
24. Georgetown 10
25. Xavier 10

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damn straight

And it's all cause of one man....

[Mitch C.]

Originally Posted by kevdawg911

BASKETBALL ONLY STANDINGS BCS ERA
1. Duke 33.5
2. (tie) Florida 33
2. (tie) Kansas 33
4. Michigan State 32.5
5. Connecticut 30.5
6. North Carolina 26.5
7. UCLA 24
8. Maryland 22
9. Arizona 19
10. Texas 18.5
11. (tie) Illinois 17.5
11. (tie) Kentucky 17.5
13. (tie) Syracuse 16.5
13. (tie) Wisconsin 16.5
15. Ohio State 15.5
16. Memphis 14.5
17. Oklahoma 14
18. Gonzaga 13.5
19. Oklahoma State 13
20. Indiana 12
21. Louisville 11.5
22. Stanford 11
23. Pittsburgh 10.5
24. Georgetown 10
25. Xavier 10

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Final Four runs fueled that ranking.

We haven't won a title of any sort in years.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Sparticane

Well, you said you think we could go to a Final Four, and a Final Four puts a trophy in the case. I will be surprised if MSU finishes on top of the Big 10. It doesn't matter if Wisconsin sucks or not, you can pretty much chalk up a loss to them regardless, and we'll blow a couple of **** games against crap teams again like we've done every year since '02, eliminating us from conference title talk. As far as the Durant and Oden talk goes, I'm not really comparing Roe to them. Actually, that's my whole point. He's NOT THEM. Only a big can have that kind of freaky-deaky effect on a team where he steps right on his freshmen year and just propels their ass to the Final Four. Roe is not that big, and not as talented as them. He looks like a great player, and I'm uber psyched to have him aboard, but he's not going to just step on the court and propel us right into the ranks of the elite. As for end result, I'm with you; I hope you're right, and I'm wrong, but I sure as heck won't be putting money on that.

Big difference between we are and we could. Of course, anyone always COULD, but the fact remains that it's more likely an Izzo-coached team will overachieve than underachieve. We don't have the explosive talent and MSU rarely does, but Izzo's expertise is at putting together teams that do the things that superstars don't -- for one, defend.

[Venice Spartan]

Originally Posted by RoseBowl

Pretty stong since '74 too.

SINCE 1974
1. North Carolina 111.5
2. Duke 105
3. Kentucky 95.5
4. Kansas 80
5. UCLA 79.5
6. Indiana 74.5
7. Louisville 70
8. Syracuse 61
9. Georgetown 59
10. Arizona 56
11. Michigan State 55.5
12. Arkansas 52.5
13. Connecticut 49.5
14. Michigan 45.5
15. UNLV 43
16. (tie) Florida 42
16. (tie) Maryland 42
18. Villanova 38
19. Illinois 37
20. Oklahoma 36.5
21. Memphis 35
22. (tie) LSU 31
22. (tie) Utah 31
24. Marquette 30.5
25. Purdue 30

I can assure you that if you told a Spartan in 74 that over the next 34 years we'll be bordering a Top Ten Bball program, they would have said you're

Then the hip ones would have said "that means we get Magic"

[MikeJohnson]

Originally Posted by Boo

Big difference between we are and we could. Of course, anyone always COULD, but the fact remains that it's more likely an Izzo-coached team will overachieve than underachieve. We don't have the explosive talent and MSU rarely does, but Izzo's expertise is at putting together teams that do the things that superstars don't -- for one, defend.

That is the thing with MSU is that we don't have the talent of elite teams, but Izzo is the master of getting most out of his players.

Sparticane- It frustrates the hell out of me that every year we seem to lost to these crap teams, but hopefully this year will be different. As for Wisconsin goes we just need to get over that mental block. It just seems like we usually play timid when we face them. THe Spartans need to change current history and beat Wisconsin. The other thing to remember, is that Izzo usually doesn't let the freshmans be the stars. Roe is going to have a good season but I expect him to explode on the scene next year.