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View Poll Results: Did MSU run the ball too much against EMU?
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Yes. Should have been more pass attempts.
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No. If you can win (big) by running, do it.
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Who the F cares? They won!
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09-07-2008, 10:44 AM
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Attention armchair coaches: Did Dantonio run the ball TOO much against EMU?
16 pass attempts
52 rush attempts
What say you?
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09-07-2008, 10:55 AM
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We averaged almost 5 yards a rush, without any long runs to skew the numbers. It's not like EMU ever figured out how to stop it.
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09-07-2008, 10:56 AM
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it is always great to be able to run...but Hoyer and the young receivers could use some extra practice. Would like to have seen a TD or 2 through the air...
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09-07-2008, 10:56 AM
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If you can run the ball then do it. Do it all game long if possible. Much safer than passing, time of possession percentage will be very high and the defense will wear down. Also, Hoyer has never been very accurate.
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09-07-2008, 10:56 AM
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run, run, run until you can't run anymore. next thing you know, there won't be a DB or safety within 5 yards of a WR.
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09-07-2008, 10:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Fanque
16 pass attempts
52 rush attempts
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Don't want to open up too much of the playbook. If you can consistently get 5 yards a carry running in between the tackles, you should stick with it.
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09-07-2008, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Chewy Goodness
it is always great to be able to run...but Hoyer and the young receivers could use some extra practice. Would like to have seen a TD or 2 through the air...
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I agree. I'm usually all for running as often as the defense is going to let you, but I would have liked to see Hoyer and the wide outs work on their timing a little more.
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09-07-2008, 11:00 AM
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i liked the running as well, just didn't like to see Ringer out there so much
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09-07-2008, 11:01 AM
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Two years ago during the remnants of Hurricane Katrina everyone on here complained that a certain coach didn't run the ball enough... that he didn't stick with what was working while our team was ahead and that was what lost us the game. And i agree with that for the most part.
Now we're querstioning whether or not the coach should have run the ball less when the team we were playing against was loading 10 and 11 guys in the box and still couldn't stop us?
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09-07-2008, 11:03 AM
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i liked the running as well, just didn't like to see Ringer out there so much
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Despite the heavy number of carries for Ringer, I feel pretty good about running back depth, Anderson looked very quick with good moves and Leggett was impressive in his brief stint. Jimmerson is going to have to work to get much action.
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09-07-2008, 11:03 AM
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we threw the ball 16 times? That's 13 times too many.
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09-07-2008, 11:07 AM
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I agree, I was impressed when they gave Anderson a chance.
I think Leggett could be a beast, maybe not this year though
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09-07-2008, 11:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Two years ago during the remnants of Hurricane Katrina everyone on here complained that a certain coach didn't run the ball enough... that he didn't stick with what was working while our team was ahead and that was what lost us the game. And i agree with that for the most part.
Now we're querstioning whether or not the coach should have run the ball less when the team we were playing against was loading 10 and 11 guys in the box and still couldn't stop us?
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I missed the part where people are complaining but it doesn't surprise me that there are negative posts and threads all over this place. Anyone with any level of basic football logic and intelligence realizes that running the ball well is always better than having to pass.
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09-07-2008, 11:07 AM
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Quote:
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it is always great to be able to run...but Hoyer and the young receivers could use some extra practice. Would like to have seen a TD or 2 through the air...
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I agree. I liked having the active running game and having it go so well but I would have liked to see us pass a bit more. Besides Hoyer had a decent game against Cal but it would have been nice to see him be able to pass more to build some confidence and chemistry with the receivers. Either way though we won and won huge, i'll trust
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09-07-2008, 11:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel
Two years ago during the remnants of Hurricane Katrina everyone on here complained that a certain coach didn't run the ball enough... that he didn't stick with what was working while our team was ahead and that was what lost us the game. And i agree with that for the most part.
Now we're querstioning whether or not the coach should have run the ball less when the team we were playing against was loading 10 and 11 guys in the box and still couldn't stop us?
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Only difference is that yesterday the weather was nice...perfect to brush up on a few timing routes...not so good of an idea when it is a monsoon.
still voted "no" above fwiw.
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09-07-2008, 11:16 AM
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Quote:
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it is always great to be able to run...but Hoyer and the young receivers could use some extra practice. Would like to have seen a TD or 2 through the air...
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And that's why I voted that there shoulda been more pass attempts. Hoyer and/or Cousins coulda used a few extra attempts.
Not complaining, just indicating I woulda liked to have seen a few more passes. No big deal.
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09-07-2008, 11:19 AM
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I said yes, but i'm not too worried. We're running the "whatever, will work best, is what will be our offense" mentality made famous by Tressel.
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09-07-2008, 11:19 AM
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I am pretty sure MD knows what MSU needs to work on and that was run blocking. He's only said it like 5 times.
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09-07-2008, 11:19 AM
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When you can successfully run the football, you keep on doing it. That way you control the game, the clock, and you keep your defense off the field and well rested. Personally, I would not have run Ringer as much as they did...I still think that was an unnecessary risk and the backups could have had more opportunities and playing time...but overall I understand what was trying to accomplish and it's hard to argue with the results when you win the game by 32. The OL needs to be able to function in sync as a unit and to continue to limit assignment mistakes and penalties and I think by and large that the coaching staff accomplished that against EMU. When they play against tougher opposition, they will still need to be able to run the football to win...regardless of how much Hoyer puts it in the air. There will be plenty of opportunities to open up the playbook then and to showcase the talents of the receiving corps. Against EMU it was not needed so why give future opponents additional scouting opportunities?
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09-07-2008, 11:46 AM
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When you can successfully run the football, you keep on doing it. That way you control the game, the clock, and you keep your defense off the field and well rested. Personally, I would not have run Ringer as much as they did...I still think that was an unnecessary risk and the backups could have had more opportunities and playing time...but overall I understand what was trying to accomplish and it's hard to argue with the results when you win the game by 32. The OL needs to be able to function in sync as a unit and to continue to limit assignment mistakes and penalties and I think by and large that the coaching staff accomplished that against EMU. When they play against tougher opposition, they will still need to be able to run the football to win...regardless of how much Hoyer puts it in the air. There will be plenty of opportunities to open up the playbook then and to showcase the talents of the receiving corps. Against EMU it was not needed so why give future opponents additional scouting opportunities? |
BANG. Bottom line, the group that needs development the most is our O-line w/ run blocking. A game like this will force these dudes to learn the proper techique due to the sheer # of real live game reps. This is what needed to happen, and I hope we continue to develope this ability up until the OSU game.
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09-07-2008, 11:47 AM
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#56 Alex Shackleton
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Silly question. You can never run the ball TOO much if you are winning.
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09-07-2008, 11:49 AM
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The game was 21-7 with three minutes to go in the third. You don't pull your starters at 21-7.
I also believe MD wants to get Ringer a lot of TDs. Its good for Ringer and its good for recruiting. MD wants to attract NFL type players.
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09-07-2008, 03:35 PM
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When you can successfully run the football, you keep on doing it. That way you control the game, the clock, and you keep your defense off the field and well rested. Personally, I would not have run Ringer as much as they did...I still think that was an unnecessary risk and the backups could have had more opportunities and playing time...but overall I understand what was trying to accomplish and it's hard to argue with the results when you win the game by 32. The OL needs to be able to function in sync as a unit and to continue to limit assignment mistakes and penalties and I think by and large that the coaching staff accomplished that against EMU. When they play against tougher opposition, they will still need to be able to run the football to win...regardless of how much Hoyer puts it in the air. There will be plenty of opportunities to open up the playbook then and to showcase the talents of the receiving corps. Against EMU it was not needed so why give future opponents additional scouting opportunities? |
Fair enough. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer to this question.
I just think that, oh maybe 10 more passes would've been good practice for Hoyer and/or Cousins. MSU won't be able to run the ball down the throats of every opponent on the schedule. See Cal as an example.
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