How good would state's b-ball team be if izzo recruited more than three states

Gnossos · 10-14-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by G35beger

I understand he didn't have to for guards / forwords , but recruiting more than three states for a center would have helped

You should get that message to Izzo right away. I'm sure he doesn't know jack **** about recruiting.

final4spartyon · 10-14-2009, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by G35beger

Ok I was talking about 2009 class not the history of MSU basketball
but you guys are right shouldn't second guess Izzo he's the best coach out there.

This was actually a serious thread

Watch out Pylon! · 10-14-2009, 01:24 PM

Trevor, if there is a "block schtick" option for donars in the works, is there anything I can do to help out with getting it implemented?

GRR Spartan · 10-14-2009, 01:30 PM

I forgot
Welcome to my ignore list troll.

If Trevor or mods would post your other screen names I would add them too.

Virtue · 10-14-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnossos

You should get that message to Izzo right away. I'm sure he doesn't know jack **** about recruiting.

Well, somebody needs to tell him he's going to lose out on the top recruits because he didn't keep his word on shaving the head.

Roger Dorn · 10-14-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by G35beger

Ok I was talking about 2009 class not the history of MSU basketball
but you guys are right shouldn't second guess Izzo he's the best coach out there.

I agree - the 2009 recruiting class is already a bust. Izzo better pull his head out of his behind before he runs MSU's hoops program right into the ground!

Fletch · 10-14-2009, 01:43 PM

Until Bill Carmody agrees to coach the Lakers or Celtics, Izzo will always be the second best coach in the Big 10.

Fletch · 10-14-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

I forgot
Welcome to my ignore list troll.

If Trevor or mods would post your other screen names I would add them too.

Let me help you out with one:

DonnyRotten

madisonspartan · 10-14-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by G35beger

Ok I was talking about 2009 class not the history of MSU basketball
but you guys are right shouldn't second guess Izzo he's the best coach out there.

Moron, whether or not Izzo is the best coach out there is irrelevant.

The point is that you shouldn't second guess someone when you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about.

You obviously know nothing. Go **** yourself.

GaTechSpartan · 10-14-2009, 04:07 PM

Regardless of what you said, tRCMB does not look kindly to any criticism of Izzo during the offseason.

That being said, repost this after we lose to Northwestern or Penn State and you might get a few likes from the meltdown crew.

BleedGreen4ever · 10-14-2009, 04:12 PM

I think what the poster is getting at (in the wrong way) is that Izzo has failed to land a big man that can put us over the top and beat the likes of NC, Kansas, etc. P. Davis has been the closest, but in my estimation he underachieved (with respect to what he was hyped to be). He was a great Spartan, but could not get us to the top. We still don't have that big guy that can dominate, and with a program at our level and expectation, that IS a problem. Herzog is a huge disapointment so far, maybe he's progressing, but his lack of strength and mobility will likely limit him for his career. Maybe one of the freshman coming in will be that guy that can step in right away and solidify us at Center, but I still don't see anyone coming here that will help give us a Nat Championship.

MSULordyoda · 10-14-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedGreen4ever

I think what the poster is getting at (in the wrong way) is that Izzo has failed to land a big man that can put us over the top and beat the likes of NC, Kansas, etc. P. Davis has been the closest, but in my estimation he underachieved (with respect to what he was hyped to be). He was a great Spartan, but could not get us to the top. We still don't have that big guy that can dominate, and with a program at our level and expectation, that IS a problem. Herzog is a huge disapointment so far, maybe he's progressing, but his lack of strength and mobility will likely limit him for his career. Maybe one of the freshman coming in will be that guy that can step in right away and solidify us at Center, but I still don't see anyone coming here that will help give us a Nat Championship.

Dude, were born after the 2000 National Championship? Who was the dominant center on that team?

And FTR, Last year MSU beat Kansas twice...beat UConn who had Thabeet, and beat Pittsburgh in 2008 with DuJuan Blair. Do you remember that or not?

You need to buy a clue as well.

BleedGreen4ever · 10-14-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MSULordyoda

Dude, were born after the 2000 National Championship? Who was the dominant center on that team?

And FTR, Last year MSU beat Kansas twice...beat UConn who had Thabeet, and beat Pittsburgh in 2008 with DuJuan Blair. Do you remember that or not?

You need to buy a clue as well.

I shouldn't have mentioned Kansas, they weren't good last year, but you get my point...2000 was one of those years that you had enough talent and athleticism that you didn't need a big man. Now, the national powers almost always do have very good, big, strong and mobile big men that we have had trouble with. If that is all the other team has (Pitt), then we can handle them. But if they have the whole package (NC) we get eaten alive. We are a perennial Final 4 team, but to win it all we need to be better, that that is where the big man comes in. Watch the last few games against NC and tell me you disagree with me. We get very one dimensional against teams like that, and if we aren't draining 3's we get killed.

Giant Moose · 10-14-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedGreen4ever

I shouldn't have mentioned Kansas, they weren't good last year, but you get my point...2000 was one of those years that you had enough talent and athleticism that you didn't need a big man. Now, the national powers almost always do have very good, big, strong and mobile big men that we have had trouble with. If that is all the other team has (Pitt), then we can handle them. But if they have the whole package (NC) we get eaten alive. We are a perennial Final 4 team, but to win it all we need to be better, that that is where the big man comes in. Watch the last few games against NC and tell me you disagree with me. We get very one dimensional against teams like that, and if we aren't draining 3's we get killed.

I get your point, but North Carolina was an incredible team last year. Nobody could hang with them if they were on. Of their 4 losses, 3 were by only 3 points! UNC was one of the best teams that MSU would ever have to face.

blanch32 · 10-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Dorn

I agree - the 2009 recruiting class is already a bust. Izzo better pull his head out of his behind before he runs MSU's hoops program right into the ground!

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Originally Posted by BleedGreen4ever

I shouldn't have mentioned Kansas, they weren't good last year, but you get my point...2000 was one of those years that you had enough talent and athleticism that you didn't need a big man. Now, the national powers almost always do have very good, big, strong and mobile big men that we have had trouble with. If that is all the other team has (Pitt), then we can handle them. But if they have the whole package (NC) we get eaten alive. We are a perennial Final 4 team, but to win it all we need to be better, that that is where the big man comes in. Watch the last few games against NC and tell me you disagree with me. We get very one dimensional against teams like that, and if we aren't draining 3's we get killed.

Quick, name me the past 5 national champions that had Centers w/ the talents of ACC leading all-time scorer Tyler Hansborough

madisonspartan · 10-14-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant Moose

I get your point, but North Carolina was an incredible team last year. Nobody could hang with them if they were on. Of their 4 losses, 3 were by only 3 points! UNC was one of the best teams that MSU would ever have to face.

This is exactly right. North Carolina last year had the sort of team that dominates every facet of a game, not just the post.

We're getting off track here, though. We need more posts demanding that G35beger be banned.

Watch out Pylon! · 10-14-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedGreen4ever

I shouldn't have mentioned Kansas, they weren't good last year, but you get my point...2000 was one of those years that you had enough talent and athleticism that you didn't need a big man. Now, the national powers almost always do have very good, big, strong and mobile big men that we have had trouble with. If that is all the other team has (Pitt), then we can handle them. But if they have the whole package (NC) we get eaten alive. We are a perennial Final 4 team, but to win it all we need to be better, that that is where the big man comes in. Watch the last few games against NC and tell me you disagree with me. We get very one dimensional against teams like that, and if we aren't draining 3's we get killed.

Dude, we were one freaking game away from another NC last season. And if N. Carolina didn't have all the talent return we would have been favored against whoever the other team was (Villanova more than likely). It's not like there's an insurmountable mountain that's keeping State from securing it's 3rd NC.

bcspartan · 10-14-2009, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedGreen4ever

I shouldn't have mentioned Kansas, they weren't good last year, but you get my point...2000 was one of those years that you had enough talent and athleticism that you didn't need a big man. Now, the national powers almost always do have very good, big, strong and mobile big men that we have had trouble with. If that is all the other team has (Pitt), then we can handle them. But if they have the whole package (NC) we get eaten alive. We are a perennial Final 4 team, but to win it all we need to be better, that that is where the big man comes in. Watch the last few games against NC and tell me you disagree with me. We get very one dimensional against teams like that, and if we aren't draining 3's we get killed.

The biggest reason we got smoked by NC in the championship game was that we turned the ball over 21 times to their 7. It had very little to do with the big men.

Watch out Pylon! · 10-14-2009, 04:57 PM

Debate Scoreboard:

tRCMB - 120
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Dooshbag OP - negative eleventy billion

DDRMSU · 10-14-2009, 05:03 PM

We're probably being a bit hard on the new guy.... odds are that he's a junior high kid. Give him a chance now that we've ground his inaugural thread into pulp.

blanch32 · 10-14-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bcspartan

The biggest reason we got smoked by NC in the championship game was that we turned the ball over 21 times to their 7. It had very little to do with the big men.

....and I'm sure NC's lights out shooting the first 10 or so minutes had no effect either.

ROCGreen · 10-14-2009, 05:07 PM

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AirSummers · 10-14-2009, 05:07 PM

what was wrong with suton? he was arguably our best player in the postseason last year

MSUtopia · 10-14-2009, 05:09 PM

In the last decade if we had recruited Michigan better and forgot the rest of the country we may well have won another national championship or two. It's not where you recruit but how and who you recruit. I'll give you two names for instance, Chris Kamen and Al Horford.

G35beger · 10-14-2009, 05:16 PM

I think we can end this thread bottom line we have a top 3 team preseason nothing to complain about
state can go head to head with anybody
I got the answer I was looking for , recruiting close to home so family can watch there kids play .