Why is it that....

[Sweetness]

Originally Posted by PensySpartan

Last year, the following programs had a higher attendance average than MSU:
Clemson
South Carolina
Texas A&M
Nebraska
Auburn
Tennessee

I know you're going to argue the last 3 on that list in terms of historical return with success in each program in the last 15 years, but if you're willing to go back that far, where does one draw the line? MSU football has provided some spectacular times depending on how "historical" one wants to get.

Here's the attendance data: NCAA Football Attendance - NCAA.org

Thank you...Clemson, South Carolina and Texas A&M were the first three schools that came to mind.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

if a fan is disappointed in their teams performance, tiredof losing, lost interest etc....and wont be attending this weekends game they need to "turn in their Spartan card"...or they are "bandwagon"?

Because a whole lot of people live vicariously through a bunch of 18-22 year old guys and for others to spurn those guys is to spurn the people living vicariously through those guys. That's all it is, it's just a game. Yet you've got these people who aren't satisfied enough with their own accomplishments that they take offense to anyone saying "Sorry, but I've got something better to do than watch a bunch of kids fail to move a missshapen ball across a field as successfully as a different bunch of kids." You could also probably tie in the concept of needing some sort of combat to satisfy primal urges or something of that nature, with the "Spartan Card" thing similar to nationalism and "you're with us or against us." At least this kind of modern play-fight is relatively harmless. Hell, people picnicked and watched the first Battle of Bull Run during the Civil War!

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by MSURed

Why are you so sure it will be ****ty football? We didn't play ****ty football against Iowa 8 days ago . The current forecast for next weekend would make it better than the weather for all of our October games. I'll be there, only difference is I may drink more to numb the pain.

Love ya Red but we havent played good football, truly good football all season.

Iowa game we did alot right and alot wrong. Not punching it in on the goaline...not good. Allowing Stanzi down the field and a critical last second mistake...not good.

NW,Ill. etc. We played ok, but we havent put a 60-minute game together yet. It;s ****ty football. Get the coaches drunk or hooked up to a Poly they would say the same.

Hope all is well.

[spartanMF]

I am amazed at how many think MSU has one of the greatest fan bases. Go look at the stands next Saturday. South Carolina Now there's a football school.

[Plate of Shrimp]

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Because a whole lot of people live vicariously through a bunch of 18-22 year old guys and for others to spurn those guys is to spurn the people living vicariously through those guys. That's all it is, it's just a game. Yet you've got these people who aren't satisfied enough with their own accomplishments that they take offense to anyone saying "Sorry, but I've got something better to do than watch a bunch of kids fail to move a missshapen ball across a field as successfully as a different bunch of kids." You could also probably tie in the concept of needing some sort of combat to satisfy primal urges or something of that nature, with the "Spartan Card" thing similar to nationalism and "you're with us or against us." At least this kind of modern play-fight is relatively harmless. Hell, people picnicked and watched the first Battle of Bull Run during the Civil War!

Post of the YEAR.

[Sportsinferno]

Couple posters made refference to this so let me lump the response into one...

I know alot of guys who have season tickets and some go no matter what, others have ZERO patience and go to 2 games....

I never imagined a day when going to SS would not be the highlight of my week. times change. the product doesnt. dont know when I'll decide to just not bother and thought this was an interesting question.

[fishrose]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

Love ya Red but we havent played good football, truly good football all season.

There you go again. "Thanks for your opinion, but you're wrong."

[phxspartan04]

It comes to a point that do you hate feeling like dog **** and having it ruin a weekend? I can definitely see why some people would rather spend time with their with families or do other things. Does that make them any less of a spartan? No way especially given this economy. People have enough to worry and think about.

[State]

Originally Posted by Plate of Shrimp

Clemson

2008	Gator	Nebraska	L	21-26
2007	Peach	Auburn	L	20-23
2006	Music City	Kentucky	L	20-28
2005	Champs Sports	Colorado	W	19-10
2003	Peach	Tennessee	W	27-14
2002	Tangerine	Texas Tech	L	15-55
2001	Humanitarian	Louisiana Tech	W	49-24
2000	Gator	Virginia Tech	L	20-41
1999	Peach	Mississippi State	L	7-17
1997	Peach	Auburn	L	17-21
1996	Peach	Louisiana State	L	7-10
1995	Gator	Syracuse	L	0-41
1993	Peach	Kentucky	W	14-13
1991	Citrus	California	L	13-37
1990	Hall Of Fame	Illinois	W	30-0

[Babies Need Tickets]

"No other fanbase, blah, blah, blah."

"Here are several schools with higher capacity stadiums that continually sell out despite awful programs. By the way, the list does not include UCLA, Kentucky, Arizona State, Washington, Illinois, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Ole Miss, Arizona, or Kansas, all of which have had programs comparable to ours but have 50-70,000 per game attendance."

"Doesn't count. 70 degrees."

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Because a whole lot of people live vicariously through a bunch of 18-22 year old guys and for others to spurn those guys is to spurn the people living vicariously through those guys. That's all it is, it's just a game. Yet you've got these people who aren't satisfied enough with their own accomplishments that they take offense to anyone saying "Sorry, but I've got something better to do than watch a bunch of kids fail to move a missshapen ball across a field as successfully as a different bunch of kids." You could also probably tie in the concept of needing some sort of combat to satisfy primal urges or something of that nature, with the "Spartan Card" thing similar to nationalism and "you're with us or against us." At least this kind of modern play-fight is relatively harmless. Hell, people picnicked and watched the first Battle of Bull Run during the Civil War!

Even my dog is applauding you.

[State]

Compared to MSU:

2008	Capital One	Georgia	L	12-24
2007	Champs Sports	Boston College	L	21-24
2003	Alamo	Nebraska	L	3-17
2001	Silicon Valley	Fresno State	W	44-35
1999	Citrus	Florida	W	37-34
1997	Aloha	Washington	L	23-51
1996	Sun	Stanford	L	0-38
1995	Independence	Louisiana State	L	26-45
1993	Liberty	Louisville	L	7-18
1990	Sun	Southern Cal	W	17-16

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by fishrose

There you go again. "Thanks for your opinion, but you're wrong."

So debating respectfully is wrong now?

My bad.

[Plate of Shrimp]

Originally Posted by State

Year Coach Selector Record Bowl
1951 Biggie Munn Helms 9-0-0
1952 Biggie Munn AP, Coaches Poll, Helms, National Championship Foundation, United Press 9-0-0
1955 Duffy Daugherty Boand 9-1-0 Won Rose
1957 Duffy Daugherty Billingsley, National Championship Foundation 8-1-0
1965 Duffy Daugherty Coaches Poll, Football Writers Association, Helms, United Press 10-1-0 Lost Rose
1966 Duffy Daugherty Helms, National Football Foundation, College Football Researchers Association 9-0-1
National championships claimed 6

[State]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Because a whole lot of people live vicariously through a bunch of 18-22 year old guys and for others to spurn those guys is to spurn the people living vicariously through those guys. That's all it is, it's just a game. Yet you've got these people who aren't satisfied enough with their own accomplishments that they take offense to anyone saying "Sorry, but I've got something better to do than watch a bunch of kids fail to move a missshapen ball across a field as successfully as a different bunch of kids." You could also probably tie in the concept of needing some sort of combat to satisfy primal urges or something of that nature, with the "Spartan Card" thing similar to nationalism and "you're with us or against us." At least this kind of modern play-fight is relatively harmless. Hell, people picnicked and watched the first Battle of Bull Run during the Civil War!

..and yet you are on a message board with over 12,000 posts that is centered around what 18-22 year old guys do on a field.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

Iowa game we did alot right and alot wrong. Not punching it in on the goaline...not good.

Yep. Here's the thing, though: How much of that is coaching and how much of it is simply not having the running threat there? We just don't have a bruiser right now that can mow people down to get three yards. I dunno if it's Caper or the O-line, but we just don't have it. That being the case, the opposing defense just needs to worry about the pass and tell the D-line to make sure you get a good push.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by State

..and yet you are on a message board with over 12,000 posts that is centered around what 18-22 year old guys do on a field.

Did I say I was any better? I enjoy the game. I enjoy playing it, I enjoy watching others play it. I don't get why people start questioning others when they decide they don't like it that much.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

Love ya Red but we havent played good football, truly good football all season.

Iowa game we did alot right and alot wrong. Not punching it in on the goaline...not good. Allowing Stanzi down the field and a critical last second mistake...not good.

NW,Ill. etc. We played ok, but we havent put a 60-minute game together yet. It;s ****ty football. Get the coaches drunk or hooked up to a Poly they would say the same.

Hope all is well.

Agree on the 60-minute game. Perhaps we need to start saying the reverse of Michigan's mantra 'one more minute and we would've won the game', maybe 'one less minute and we would've won the game' .

Originally Posted by fishrose

There you go again. "Thanks for your opinion, but you're wrong."

Nah he's OK, I was mainly just objecting to the phrase '****ty football' when I believe that it is simply 'mediocre football'

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Yep. Here's the thing, though: How much of that is coaching and how much of it is simply not having the running threat there? We just don't have a bruiser right now that can mow people down to get three yards. I dunno if it's Caper or the O-line, but we just don't have it. That being the case, the opposing defense just needs to worry about the pass and tell the D-line to make sure you get a good push.

O-Line and VERY suspect formation/playcalling.

We are not a POWER team yet we use power sets to run in obvious running downs.

Pretty simple.

[State]

Originally Posted by Plate of Shrimp

Year Coach Selector Record Bowl
1951 Biggie Munn Helms 9-0-0
1952 Biggie Munn AP, Coaches Poll, Helms, National Championship Foundation, United Press 9-0-0
1955 Duffy Daugherty Boand 9-1-0 Won Rose
1957 Duffy Daugherty Billingsley, National Championship Foundation 8-1-0
1965 Duffy Daugherty Coaches Poll, Football Writers Association, Helms, United Press 10-1-0 Lost Rose
1966 Duffy Daugherty Helms, National Football Foundation, College Football Researchers Association 9-0-1
National championships claimed 6

Does our success in the 50s and 60s really have that much impact on this decade? I'm all for the tradition thing but come on, that is not what is still bringing Spartan fans to SS every year

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by phxspartan04

It comes to a point that do you hate feeling like dog **** and having it ruin a weekend? I can definitely see why some people would rather spend time with their with families or do other things. Does that make them any less of a spartan? No way especially given this economy. People have enough to worry and think about.

It's the adrenaline rush -- the idea that you're going to miss something special/big if you aren't along for the ride.

Just like sex, drugs, gambling, etc. Nothing more, nothing less. If MSU wins or loses on a given Saturday, does it truly CHANGE your life? Hell no. It's adrenaline, baby.

[State]

Originally Posted by Negotiator

Did I say I was any better? I enjoy the game. I enjoy playing it, I enjoy watching others play it. I don't get why people start questioning others when they decide they don't like it that much.

You are right, you never said you were.

But if people are on the RCMB, chances are they care a lot, whether they want to admit it or not.

[D.Wags]

Originally Posted by spartanMF

I am amazed at how many think MSU has one of the greatest fan bases. Go look at the stands next Saturday. South Carolina Now there's a football school.

Agree completely with South Carolina. Probably could argue with Arkansas and Clemson, though Clemson has one a NC in the past 30 years.

What Mike is not realizing is, and someone needs to do the math on this. What is the Average graduating class of the universtiy? How big is that school? What type of Alumni do they have? Where are the big metro politan cities located at in regards to this? When you think of the need to travel like the Nebraska folks do it's amazing.

Then I"m just going to guess that with the size of schools the Big Ten has, We have to have 4 or 5 in the top 8 schools nationwide with fan base. It's like asking why a class A school has more fans than a D school here in Michigan. However, it is a provoking question from a provacatour. And it is what it is. We've all answered in the thread.

[Negotiator]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

O-Line and VERY suspect formation/playcalling.

We are not a POWER team yet we use power sets to run in obvious running downs.

Pretty simple.

Square peg, round hole. Sounds like (yecch) Rodriguez's problem last season. Ah well. Two more tailgates, two more times to meet up with friends and see some friends in the band take the field.