Why is it that....

[DantonIzzo]

I hate to keep bringing up the Hawkeyes, but look at that program. Ferentz is hired as a Plan C, and the fans bitch they don't get Stoops. Ferentz turns the program into a national contender and multi-time Big Ten champion by Years 4-6, and the fans are in love. Ferentz gets a huge contract, starts landing big-time recruits and goes in the tank, losing 16 of 28. Fans want him fired. Ferentz reels off 13 straight wins and fans say he's the second coming again as Iowa contends for a national title.

MSU has its ebbs and flows, but so do most programs. Those who are bitching about blown leads, no-show games, bad coordinators, etc. really need to get out more. You'll see that MSU is far from being alone, and doesn't have the market cornered on schizo/dysfunctional fanbases.

[#1]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

No disrespect....but that is a pathetic minimum requirement my Spartan brother.

Our program is way ahead of that, or at least I thought it was. they should win 2 of 3 minimum.

Yup, it is pathetic. Only once I see that final string go will I turn against a coach though.

[Plate of Shrimp]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

I think you are misreading me.

Dantonio has my COMPLETE trust and faith.

Narduzzi and Treadwell do not. especially NArduzzi.

See now, I don't get this. How can you give Dantonio COMPLETE faith, if Narduzzi and Treadwell are under his jurisdiction? Especially Narduzzi, seeing that Dantonio is also a former D coordinator.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

I think you are misreading me.

Dantonio has my COMPLETE trust and faith.

Narduzzi and Treadwell do not. especially NArduzzi.

No offense, but you couldn't make a more generic, boring, typical, feed-the-masses argument if you tried.

You're going to just sit there and blame the coordinators? That's your beef?

Dig deeper.

[spartanMF]

Product? Investment? Returns? I didn't know that is what college sports is about. For me, MSU is part of me and I support and follow them, even when there are bumps in the road. Jesus if you went through BW and JLS you can get through this.

Gee sportsinferno guy, maybe its time to "cut your losses".

[CarlsonSPARTY]

Originally Posted by Babies Need Tickets

I think this is absolutely the case.

I also predict that while the playcalling may cost us a few games in the short run, eventually we're going to begin converting those same plays, and when we do people will rave about how they "love the toughness," without giving any thought to how that toughness developed.

I think we were that team two years ago and to a degree last year. Why take 2-3 of your best players in White, Cunningham, Martin, Dell off the field? I know we have good TE's, but our OL has not been what it has been so lets make the Defense cover the whole width of the field rather than Just tackle to tackle.

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

No offense, but you couldn't make a more generic, boring, typical, feed-the-masses argument if you tried.

You're going to just sit there and blame the coordinators? That's your beef?

Dig deeper.

Well unlike you I know with a pretty good certainty are "issues" on the defensive staff. but believe whatever you like.

The coach is the right man for the job. the coordinators are very suspect.

You want to debate this further PM me anytime.

[TX Sparty]

Originally Posted by State

Show me another football program similar to ours on the field that has the fan base support that MSU does.

Texas A&M.

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by Plate of Shrimp

See now, I don't get this. How can you give Dantonio COMPLETE faith, if Narduzzi and Treadwell are under his jurisdiction? Especially Narduzzi, seeing that Dantonio is also a former D coordinator.

Because he is the right man for this job as the CEO of it.

His coordinators need serious evaluation, namely defensive.

Not hard.

[fishrose]

Originally Posted by CarlsonSPARTY

I think we were that team two years ago and to a degree last year. Why take 2-3 of your best players in White, Cunningham, Martin, Dell off the field? I know we have good TE's, but our OL has not been what it has been so lets make the Defense cover the whole width of the field rather than Just tackle to tackle.

In the games that we've played well, we've done this. We ran a passing spread for a good percentage of plays against ND, scUM, NW, and part of Iowa. I listened to Illinois on the radio, so I'm not sure about that game.

[Babies Need Tickets]

Originally Posted by CarlsonSPARTY

I think we were that team two years ago and to a degree last year. Why take 2-3 of your best players in White, Cunningham, Martin, Dell off the field? I know we have good TE's, but our OL has not been what it has been so lets make the Defense cover the whole width of the field rather than Just tackle to tackle.

We have new players now. Have to mold them.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the calls. I'm just saying there's a reason (and a long-term benefit) behind them that many people aren't considering.

[D.Wags]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

I think you are misreading me.

Dantonio has my COMPLETE trust and faith.

Narduzzi and Treadwell do not. especially NArduzzi.

Mike the above makes little if any sense though. Why would you trust a man who wouldn't dump his coordinators.

Will he? Not a chance. If Narduzzi gets an offer, he might say go for it with his blessings as many coaches would do. However think about Treadwell. Think he's going anywhere? That would be a tough move on his family for the next three years. So, think this one through. You trust a man who keeps employed two people you have no trust in.

[CarlsonSPARTY]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

I think you are misreading me.

Dantonio has my COMPLETE trust and faith.

Narduzzi and Treadwell do not. especially NArduzzi.

Two things:

1. If he has your complete trust and faith do you believe that if things are not fixed by the end of the season that there will be new coordinators next year??

2. I would think that MD has input on both the offensive and especially the defenisve game plans and the ability to make or change calls when he sees fit.

[Coach Hoski]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

I hate to keep bringing up the Hawkeyes, but look at that program. Ferentz is hired as a Plan C, and the fans bitch they don't get Stoops. Ferentz turns the program into a national contender and multi-time Big Ten champion by Years 4-6, and the fans are in love. Ferentz gets a huge contract, starts landing big-time recruits and goes in the tank, losing 16 of 28. Fans want him fired. Ferentz reels off 13 straight wins and fans say he's the second coming again as Iowa contends for a national title.

MSU has its ebbs and flows, but so do most programs. Those who are bitching about blown leads, no-show games, bad coordinators, etc. really need to get out more. You'll see that MSU is far from being alone, and doesn't have the market cornered on schizo/dysfunctional fanbases.

EXACTLY. I am about to go quasi-little brother here, but I think that being so near UM who had so much success before Lloyd aged, and ZodRod subsequently took over gave us unrealistic definitions of success. That's not to say we can't get there someday, but people expect us to automatically crank out Rose bowls like we are USC overnight.
It just doesn't happen that quickly in football when you have to field a roster of 85+. We probably could be turning it around quicker, but I like where Dino is going.

[State]

Originally Posted by TX Sparty

Texas A&M.

It's Texas.

[OPSpartan]

Here's my answer without reading this thread.

I don't know an MSU fan(s) that isn't disappointed with how the seasons gone. The problem is this board is full of chicken little who want MD fired everytime there's an incomplete pass. Or we get the Brian Kelly clique who suck that fat ****s dick without realizing this isn't the God damn big east or that has done nothing that someone like Richrod hasn't accomplished and look how he's turned out in ann arbor. Yesterdays loss was the second worse loss of MD's career here after the CMU debacle. Or maybe third after Northwestern in 07. Next yr (yea in know, the battle cry of the Cubs) is ,IMO, going to bring a new years bowl again. Treadwell has to pull his head out of his ass and realize we won't be able to run the ball with the current O-line and try actually having wide receivers on the field when we get inside the 10 and Narduzzi has to consistently bring pressure and not leave it up to the front four to do it for at least another 2 yrs when Worthy and Blake Treadwell are jr's and Gholston is a soph, and please stop putting guys like Strayhorn and Decker in as pass rushers.

just my

[spartanMF]

I think the offense is a much bigger problem than the defense. None of our running backs can hold Ringer's jock strap right now. And the Oline is not good. I want to see MDs guys on the line before I make too much judgement. MSU had 15 yards rushing from backs last night. That is incredibly pathetic.

[Plate of Shrimp]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

Because he is the right man for this job as the CEO of it.

His coordinators need serious evaluation, namely defensive.

Not hard.

Not hard? If you give the guy COMPLETE faith as CEO, shouldn't you trust the guys he hires?

Not hard.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by D.Wags

Mike the above makes little if any sense though. Why would you trust a man who wouldn't dump his coordinators.

Will he? Not a chance. If Narduzzi gets an offer, he might say go for it with his blessings as many coaches would do. However think about Treadwell. Think he's going anywhere? That would be a tough move on his family for the next three years. So, think this one through. You trust a man who keeps employed two people you have no trust in.

There is no chance that Narduzzi or Treadwell will be fired.

ZERO.

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by D.Wags

Mike the above makes little if any sense though. Why would you trust a man who wouldn't dump his coordinators.

Will he? Not a chance. If Narduzzi gets an offer, he might say go for it with his blessings as many coaches would do. However think about Treadwell. Think he's going anywhere? That would be a tough move on his family for the next three years. So, think this one through. You trust a man who keeps employed two people you have no trust in.

We have no idea what the future will bring, I'm betting some serious evaluation will happen.

treadwell has his ups and downs, Narduzzi frightens me. Year three of his scheme with an experienced secondary and his base defense is a disaster and several teams have commented that they "knew what we were going to run"...

Dantonio loves MSU, wants to stay here, and in my mind will make the necessary moves on his staff to get this right.

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

There is no chance that Narduzzi or Treadwell will be fired.

ZERO.

doesnt mean others wont go. Bang bang bang....

Philosophical changes can sometimes mean as much as personel changes.

He will get it right.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

We have no idea what the future will bring, I'm betting some serious evaluation will happen.

treadwell has his ups and downs, Narduzzi frightens me. Year three of his scheme with an experienced secondary and his base defense is a disaster and several teams have commented that they "knew what we were going to run"...

Dantonio loves MSU, wants to stay here, and in my mind will make the necessary moves on his staff to get this right.

I will bet you $100 that, regardless of what happens the rest of the year, Narduzzi and Treadwell will be back next season.

Bet?

[CarlsonSPARTY]

Originally Posted by Babies Need Tickets

We have new players now. Have to mold them.

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the calls. I'm just saying there's a reason (and a long-term benefit) behind them that many people aren't considering.

I think that is total BS because when there are games to be won you win the games that is what has long term benifit for a program. Going to a New Years Bowl game, or possibly winning a conference championship. You don't try to prove you are the most physical team at the cost of losing a game.

[Ron Jeremy]

Originally Posted by Sportsinferno

if a fan is disappointed in their teams performance, tiredof losing, lost interest etc....and wont be attending this weekends game they need to "turn in their Spartan card"...or they are "bandwagon"?

As Spartans we have been the most loyal fanbase in the country with respect to return on investment. We continue to burn our hands on the stove week after week expecting differant results only to see the same movie.

Will I be there? Yes, if only to setup our massive tailgate and see the people who are important to me.

But for those who wont go, refuse to go, have better things to do, why are they less of a Spartan? If we are truly honest with ourselves the product this season has been dog****. Last nights game was simply the crowning jewel on this trainwreck. I can see why people with less obligation, less time, less interest will just say "no thanks" this weekend and spend time at home, with family, etc.

But why do people here just lob that phrase around so often? I really think all the disappointment of the last 40 years has warped our sense of loyalty. at some point people just lose interest when they keep getting their hopes dashed.

I'll be there.

Where the hell is this massive tailgate so I can come by for a beer?

[Sportsinferno]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

I will bet you $100 that, regardless of what happens the rest of the year, Narduzzi and Treadwell will be back next season.

Bet?

Absolutely not. We agree they will return. Once again you're letting your hatred of me blind you. You want to fight PM me...