WTF is with Vegans?

Rashomon · 11-03-2009, 05:17 PM

Don't really get veganism, but can totally understand vegetarianism.

Jebus, if you people knew what was in the food you eat...

Final Countdown · 11-03-2009, 05:21 PM

As a vegetarian, I'll admit that your average vegetarian/vegan IS annoying and preachy. Keep your damn opinions to yourself unless somebody asks you for your opinion.

Left_Of_The_Dial · 11-03-2009, 05:42 PM

I'm a vegan and not a vegetarian simply because I don't see the consumption of milk and other dairy products as natural or imperative to human health.

I'm 37 and have been a vegan for about ten years. I have a washboard stomach and retain lean muscle much easier than I ever did on a meat-based diet. I'm still able to compete in mixed martial arts and my flexibility is better than most of the guys 15 years younger than I am.

Also...my allergies completely disappeared after switching to vegan diet.

I highly recommend becoming a vegan but I do not openly promote it. I believe in focusing on the imperfections in one's-Self...not upon the imperfections of other people.

Motown Spartan · 11-03-2009, 05:49 PM

if she swallows, can she still be a vegan?

it IS animal based protein....

The European Death Knot · 11-03-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashomon

Don't really get veganism, but can totally understand vegetarianism.

Jebus, if you people knew what was in the food you eat...

Agree. I've read enough books and seen enough things to know I really don't want to know how my food got to my plate and what is actually in it.

For instance, I just learned egg producers toss boy chicks into huge grinders (as there is no economical use for them, and grinding them up is the most humane thing to do). Something along the lines of a couple hundred million chicks a year get ground up every year in the US. This disturbs me (but I am kind of a ***** when it comes to things like that). Yet...I ****ing love eggs and meat way too much to give them up. Thus, I totally understand - and respect - vegetarians and vegans.

Gotham_Spartan · 11-03-2009, 06:07 PM

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There is nothing "natural" about it. The human brain didn't get that huge without protein and lots of it.

Actually, what the brain needs for development is animal fats -- neurons have an incredibly high fat percentage.

Physiologically yours,

NdySpartan · 11-03-2009, 06:13 PM

I have no idea how many vegans are vegans because they logically believe that they shouldn't use animals for benefit, for all i know they all do. However I believe one must take the logic a step further and realize that all organisms survive by other organisms. Humans obviously have been given an inherent desire for meat so it makes sense that it is our place in the overall food web to utilize animals for our betterment. After all, if humans didnt control the populations of animals, they would overpopulate and many would die of disease and starvation since the top predator, us , ceased to hunt them. Also, if noone used dairy and wool or other non-lethal animal products, then all of those animals would be useless and would not be capable of surviving in the wild and would die. They depend on us, we depend on them so it seems there is much more harmony in that. I suppose if a few of us decide to live under false logic and think they are helping animals by not utilizing them, then its not a big deal. However if we all did it, there would be massive ramifications across the entire food web. But hey, im not a biologist, that's just layman's logic so please inform me of how MY logic is at fault.

RPMadMSU · 11-03-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashomon

Don't really get veganism, but can totally understand vegetarianism.

Jebus, if you people knew what was in the food you eat...

The way I see it that it doesn't really matter what's in it, in the end it all ends up in the same place.

612 Virginia · 11-03-2009, 06:21 PM

The following mammals have binocular vision:

Wolf
Lion
Tiger
Fox
Coyote
Bear
Hyena
Human

They all happen to be natural born predators.

Think about, it is okay to eat meat, we are designed for it.

Final Countdown · 11-03-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

The following mammals have binocular vision:

Wolf
Lion
Tiger
Fox
Coyote
Bear
Hyena
Human

They all happen to be natural born predators.

Think about, it is okay to eat meat, we are designed for it.

Do you eat your meat raw and bloody?

MSURed · 11-03-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Do you eat your meat raw and bloody?

Yeah, natural born predator, that describes the average housewife going to Wal-Mart to buy lunch meat produced in a factory farm.

Rashomon · 11-03-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RPMadMSU

The way I see it that it doesn't really matter what's in it, in the end it all ends up in the same place.

Yeah, well that ain't the way I see.

No feces for me, thanks!

Rashomon · 11-03-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

The following mammals have binocular vision:

Wolf
Lion
Tiger
Fox
Coyote
Bear
Hyena
Human

They all happen to be natural born predators.

Think about, it is okay to eat meat, we are designed for it.

We're omnivores. We're designed to eat meat, or not.

Besides, some animals with binocular vision aren't predators. and some that are, don't.

hyeguy · 11-03-2009, 06:30 PM

cows are delicious

Ozymandias · 11-03-2009, 06:37 PM

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Denzo 2000 · 11-03-2009, 06:42 PM

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Can anyone explain this to me? My...former G/F or seperated G/F, was pissed at me because I didn't want anything to do with being Vegan. Now I see someone on facebook that I really don't know asking if they should be Vegan. What the hell is going on? Hell the only way I can really see their true beliefs being sustainable is by only eating food they grow. Do Vegans realize that most the time produce has to be picked by people who probably eat meat, so in order to sustain the growth of those vegetables those people are probably eating meat? From the wikipedia page, they can't eat honey, use wool or silk? WTH?

I can understand vegetarian's, but c'mon, any diet in which you need to take supplements doesn't sound very natural to me. I'm just failing to see the benefits of being a Vegan, and why would you jump straight from eating meat to Vegan and not to vegetarian first?

Thank you for all the answers that I'm sure will be very amusing (assuming anyone reads this).

So, you're saying she doesn't swallow?

JasonBourne · 11-03-2009, 06:46 PM

Being vegetarian makes sense for health and religious reasons ... but this Vegan crap in the US is extreme!! Also when was fish considered vegetarian is beyond me.

NdySpartan · 11-03-2009, 06:50 PM

Another interesting point is this. I admit that when i kill an animal (humanely and legally by hunting) I do feel a bit of regret that it had to die. However when said animal arrives on my dinner table, or mounted on my wall all said feelings disappear. I don't think normal non psychotic people would be able to kill animals if we were not meant to. I think it would cause to much mental pain at the thought of ending a life if it was truly a life. That being said, the more intelligent we perceive a species to be i.e. horses, dolphins, dogs and such the less acceptable it is to kill said species so im not sure.

NdySpartan · 11-03-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonBourne

Being vegetarian makes sense for health and religious reasons ... but this Vegan crap in the US is extreme!! Also when was fish considered vegetarian is beyond me.

Catholics (yes im Catholic) cant/arent supposed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent ( Ash Wednesday to Easter) but fish for some reason doesn't count as meat. No one has ever been able to explain that to me.

bruco · 11-03-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NdySpartan

Catholics (yes im Catholic) cant/arent supposed to eat meat on Fridays during Lent ( Ash Wednesday to Easter) but fish for some reason doesn't count as meat. No one has ever been able to explain that to me.

Fish was considered a "poor man's" food. Anyone could go to a river and catch a fish, just like anyone could grow a vegetable or pick some fruit. Meat was harder to come by and considered a "rich man's" food. So, during lent you are supposed to give up luxuries like meat.

That's the story I heard.

Also heard that it was some Pope's attempt to help out the struggling fishing industry.

So I don't really know.

612 Virginia · 11-03-2009, 07:01 PM

Please list the mammals with binocular vision that are herbivores.

Rashomon · 11-03-2009, 07:09 PM

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you can't exactly claim to eat that hamburger on the grounds that you're helping cows avoid suffering.......

Just the opposite, if your burger was grown on a CAFO (Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation)

Rashomon · 11-03-2009, 07:12 PM

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Please list the mammals with binocular vision that are herbivores.

fruit bat, certain primates, including gorillas. ...

NdySpartan · 11-03-2009, 07:14 PM

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You're logic is somewhat circular and confuses hunting with modern food production. The reason there are cows and chickens in the numbers there are is because we use them as food. Without us, yeah, no need, but it's not like they'd be there in the first place. Animal population control is a legitimate issue for hunting and wildlife management, but as far as the day-to-day food on your table, you can't exactly claim to eat that hamburger on the grounds that you're helping cows avoid suffering.......

Sorry i was actually trying to separate pop control and food production. And no, i don't eat cows because i want them to avoid suffering, i eat them cuz they tasty. I just think that humans have a specific slot in the food web and that position is not herbivorous. The irony i see is that in trying to cause as little impact on non-humans as possible, a Vegan society would in fact have a huge impact on the environment by vacating a crucial predator slot in the food chain. This may have a net positive impact, or a net negative, its impossible to tell but there would be an impact. Oh and yes I know there are holes in my logic, it would take a term paper to fully flesh out the argument.

Final Countdown · 11-03-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

Please list the mammals with binocular vision that are herbivores.

I really don't know that.

But I do know that there are big biological differences between a human and a carnivore in nature. For example, the stomach acid content, length of intestine, dental structure, jaw movement, saliva composition, claws, etc.