WTF is with Vegans?

[Salted NutsNE1]

Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

Please list the mammals with binocular vision that are herbivores.

I don't think any vegetarians argue that it is unnatural to consume meat.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by Salted NutsNE1

I don't think any vegetarians argue that it is unnatural to consume meat.

I think he's arguing that it's unnatural for humans to not eat meat.

[AUAlum06]

vegans=pacifists

whimps with no sense of the real world

[AvgMSUJoe]

Originally Posted by MSURed

Yeah, natural born predator, that describes the average housewife going to Wal-Mart to buy lunch meat produced in a factory farm.

I think if you were starving to death your instincts would come back to you...

There is a reason people eat bugs and pigs feet and other nastiness... cause they were so damn hungry or needed the nutrition their body told them it was a good idea.

Saw something on TV were a guy survived on a raft in the ocean by catching fish and eating their eyeballs for the fresh water in the fluid... he said it turned into almost a delicacy for him even though it is totally nasty and disgusting, because his body knew it needed it.

Pretty sure you are wired for it if push came to shove.

[Dorian]

So if I subsist on a diet entirely of beer, nacho chips, and avacodo dip is that vegan?

Maybe I can get one of those washboard stomachs...

[teamdiscoverychannel]

some naughty language

[MForce2k]

Their emotions are larger than their brains, or understanding of a healthy human diet.

[612 Virginia]

I hate to break the news to our vegan friends, but humans are not the exception when it comes to binocular vision. We have it and use it for predatory purposes. As stated earlier, our brains do not develop to full capacity without animal protiens. So, we are natural born predators, regardless of whether you choose to use it or not.

Also, I couldn't agree more about processed foods, especially processed meat, being terrible for us. I'm pretty lucky, I don't buy processed or domestic meats, I supply my family with wild game and fish I take myself. If we get low on meat, then we go vegetarian too.

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

I hate to break the news to our vegan friends, but humans are not the exception when it comes to binocular vision. We have it and use it for predatory purposes. As stated earlier, our brains do not develop to full capacity without animal protiens. So, we are natural born predators, regardless of whether you choose to use it or not.

Also, I couldn't agree more about processed foods, especially processed meat, being terrible for us. I'm pretty lucky, I don't buy processed or domestic meats, I supply my family with wild game and fish I take myself. If we get low on meat, then we go vegetarian too.

So why don't you eat your poultry raw and bloody while its carcass is still warm, instead of barbecued after a long marination? The former just seems more natural than the latter.

[DoctorWorm]

Originally Posted by Artie Loves Pancakes

Attention whores.

[A.M. wood]

they smell funny.

[Krazykyle]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

So why don't you eat your poultry raw and bloody while its carcass is still warm, instead of barbecued after a long marination? The former just seems more natural than the latter.

Because it tastes better that way. If the meat was cleaned we would be able to digest it uncooked, but what would be the point?

Why do you cook your rice and vegetables?

It's not like vegans are going around picking only berries from trees and eating grain from the stalk.

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by Krazykyle

Because it tastes better that way. If the meat was cleaned we would be able to digest it uncooked, but what would be the point?

Why do you cook your rice and vegetables?

It's not like vegans are going around picking only berries from trees and eating grain from the stalk.

Rice and vegetables aren't toxic when eaten raw. Meat however, I would think it is. Even if it were "cleaned," I think it would be dangerous. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

Also, I should mention that zoo lions will go hungry before they eat cooked meat. To them, the raw stuff is just more natural. If humans were indeed like lions (as you say), shouldn't we NATURALLY prefer the raw stuff?

[goState18]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Do you eat your meat raw and bloody?

uhh... duh.

[Krazykyle]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Rice and vegetables aren't toxic when eaten raw. Meat however, I would think it is. Even if it were "cleaned," I think it would be dangerous. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

Also, I should mention that zoo lions will go hungry before they eat cooked meat. To them, the raw stuff is just more natural. If humans were indeed like lions (as you say), shouldn't we NATURALLY prefer the raw stuff?

Toxic? wtf are you talking about? I don't mean that rudely, but other than infectious causes what would make it toxic?

I didn't say it was natural, and there is not logical reason we could not digest raw meat. What proof would you like? It is essentially all protein, and if not contaminated than eating it raw would be possible. It would still however be sensible to avoid pork and certain parts of animals in those cases (anything related to the digestive tract), because they may carry infectious diseases such as worms or bacteria, but contrary to what you may think animals can get those diseases as well and do (intestinal worms, and other parasites especially).

[pulling69]

I went to a party at a vegan's house one time...big mistake. Who the hell uses tofu instead of butter in chocolate chip cookies? that's who

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Rice and vegetables aren't toxic when eaten raw. Meat however, I would think it is. Even if it were "cleaned," I think it would be dangerous. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary?

Also, I should mention that zoo lions will go hungry before they eat cooked meat. To them, the raw stuff is just more natural. If humans were indeed like lions (as you say), shouldn't we NATURALLY prefer the raw stuff?

People eat raw meat all the time. You do have to watch for bacteria growth, but if it's fresh raw meat it is perfectly fine. People eat raw fish all the time. Beef is often prepared with raw portions (ever heard of rare?), and in some cases completely raw. There are even restaurants who are now serving poultry raw.

Many people do prefer meat raw, or only partially cooked. It is in no way toxic. The bacteria on it may be, but vegetables/fruits have the same issue (tomatoes and spinach had recent issues).

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by Krazykyle

Toxic? wtf are you talking about? I don't mean that rudely, but other than infectious causes what would make it toxic?

I didn't say it was natural, and there is not logical reason we could not digest raw meat. What proof would you like? It is essentially all protein, and if not contaminated than eating it raw would be possible. It would still however be sensible to avoid pork and certain parts of animals in those cases (anything related to the digestive tract), because they may carry infectious diseases such as worms or bacteria, but contrary to what you may think animals can get those diseases as well and do (intestinal worms, and other parasites especially).

Natural carnivores have much more acidic stomach contents than humans, which is helpful for killing parasites. They also have shorter digestive tracts, which works to move the food through their system faster before it festers with parasites.

[Krazykyle]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Natural carnivores have much more acidic stomach contents than humans, which is helpful for killing parasites. They also have shorter digestive tracts, which works to move the food through their system faster before it festers with parasites.

We are omnivoires what is your point. It would be unnatural to eat a pure meat diet, just like it is unnatural to eat a pure vegetable diet.

[419Spartan08]

Originally Posted by Krazykyle

We are omnivoires what is your point. It would be unnatural to eat a pure meat diet, just like it is unnatural to eat a pure vegetable diet.

I believe a certain poster might disagree...

BreakfastLunchDinner

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by Krazykyle

We are omnivoires what is your point. It would be unnatural to eat a pure meat diet, just like it is unnatural to eat a pure vegetable diet.

My point is that humans aren't fit for consuming any amount of meat, as evident in our key digestive differences when compared to animals which eat meat.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

Natural carnivores have much more acidic stomach contents than humans, which is helpful for killing parasites. They also have shorter digestive tracts, which works to move the food through their system faster before it festers with parasites.

To go with that logic, many humans have trouble digesting raw vegetables, cannot digest grass, and raw beans are toxic. This is different from herbivores.

[scott91575]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

My point is that humans aren't fit for consuming any amount of meat, as evident in our key digestive differences when compared to animals which eat meat.

Then how do millions if not over a billion people do it all the time. In Japan and other Eastern Asia countries a major source of their diet is raw fish. In other areas, many people eat partially cooked beef (and in some cases not cooked at all). All of the above is done in the US on a regular basis.

[Go Green Girl]

I, too, am a vegetarian. I still eat cheese/sour cream/cottage cheese, and I occasionally eat eggs. I don't drink milk plain (just don't like it), but I'll have it on cereal or in other recipes. I don't have enough discipline to be vegan, nor do I think I'd want to be since I really love cheese.

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Then how do millions if not over a billion people do it all the time. In Japan and other Eastern Asia countries a major source of their diet is raw fish. In other areas, many people eat partially cooked beef (and in some cases not cooked at all). All of the above is done in the US on a regular basis.

I honestly don't know how they do it. I suppose if the Chinese can breathe that polluted air everyday, they can handle anything. I'm really not sure what the answer is... but I know that it is reasonably accepted that eating raw or undercooked animal flesh increases the risk of becoming ill.