WTF is with Vegans?

[Left_Of_The_Dial]

Originally Posted by Super Nintendo Chalmers

Gotta pipe in here. Every month the wife and I go out to a new restaurant with two of her friends, we each take turns selecting the location.
I read about an old, pretty cool sounding place in Detroit that I want to go to tonight. Well one of her friends is a vegan, and there's no vegan-friendly items on their menu. So we can't go there. It's crap like this that pisses me off. Sack up and eat a chicken breast, I shouldn't have to go out of my way to find a place that is 'vegan friendly'.
OK, rant over, feel better now.

If that person is your friend you should find a restaurant that serves a vegan friendly item. You can always go to the "cool sounding place" on a night when her friends are coming along.

Seriously...how hard is it for a restaurant to put one vegan/vegetarian item on a menu? Most decent chefs do this for the very sake/situation you are talking about. It sounds like the restaurant wanted to go to is run by someone with poor business savvy.

Making sure your friends are happy is more important than the selfish need to visit the latest trendy place IMO.

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by scott91575

Most of that would be called a backlash.

Yeah, I can't go through a day without those damn vegans pushing their agenda in my face.

[Left_Of_The_Dial]

Originally Posted by Watch out Pylon!

This thread proves that vegans are elitist wanna-be know it alls.

Please vegans...stop with the attitude.

It's a fact that I DO know it all every time I have some of this...





































Seriously though...it's been a good thread and I'd like to thank all the meat-eaters who participated. Not all vegans hate meat-eaters any more than all meat-eaters hate vegans.

Although a vegan...I'm not a member of PETA for personal reasons. On the other hand...I think they are treated unfairly by the media. They practice what they preach and are passionate about their cause...very similar to people members of the NRA(another group I don't belong to).

Most vegans are not hateful people...although the media and televisions often portray them that way. I've also noticed that a lot of people who dislike vegans have never actually known one very well and base their opinion mostly on caricatures.

All of my friends are meat-eaters and I honestly don't have one single close friend that's a vegetarian. Although a vegan myself...I don't base friendship on what people eat.

One the other hand...if you ever meet a vegan that refuses to shake your hand because you are wearing a leather watch...you have my personal "vegan" permission to tell them to "F-Off".

[Left_Of_The_Dial]

I would like to add that I have never been treated poorly by meat-eaters.

When people find out I'm a vegan they...more than anything...just seem interested in finding out why.

I just tell them that I do it for health reasons. Although there are ethic and environmental reasons for why I do it...I feel don't believe in forcing my personal ethics upon other people.

I'm more interested in finding out what I have in common with someone else than I am in what makes us different.

[LakeMilakokia]

All of this Vegan crap is really getting me ready for Thanksgiving. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Turkey!

[SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER]

Originally Posted by LakeMilakokia

All of this Vegan crap is really getting me ready for Thanksgiving. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Turkey!

The only thing turkey is good for is the day after sandwiches...F turkey...I'm going with filet mignon and lobster tail this year...

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER

The only thing turkey is good for is the day after sandwiches...F turkey...I'm going with filet mignon and lobster tail this year...

Please tell me the filet will be wrapped in

[Spartan_Will]

Originally Posted by 612 Virginia

The following mammals have binocular vision:

bunch of animals who eat meat...

They all happen to be natural born predators.

Think about, it is okay to eat meat, we are designed for it.

Hmmm, also ALL primates - helps when you're living in and jumping around trees.

Meat eating came later - well, instects were eaten first.

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by AvgMSUJoe

There is nothing "natural" about it. The human brain didn't get that huge without protein and lots of it.

Nor would we have survived without animals furs and skins.

Vegans
Are
Stupid

[Rashomon]

Originally Posted by Spartan_Will

Hmmm, also ALL primates - helps when you're living in and jumping around trees.

Not sure what you are saying here. Not all primates eat meat, but most do.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by Pablo Fanque

Nor would we have survived without animals furs and skins.

Vegans
Are
Stupid

We don't need animal furs or skins NOW, so what does that have to do with choices people make now. It's quite a leap you're making. It's hard to measure actual intelligence, but vegans and vegetarians do tend to have higher than average education.

I guess my point is, you can disagree with someone without calling them stupid. Maybe you missed that day of kindergarten

[LakeMilakokia]

Originally Posted by SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER

The only thing turkey is good for is the day after sandwiches...F turkey...I'm going with filet mignon and lobster tail this year...

[groverj3]

I'm going to eat whatever I damn well please and the vegans can take their agenda and shove it up their collective asses.

[Colonel Forbin]

Man, why the eff do some of you care that people are vegans? Me? I love a good steak. I'm not gonna say I've never felt some decent guilt before because I know the way the meat industry works. I've even really tried to cut back on my meat consumption. But if someone makes a lifestyle change for their beliefs, I say good for them for sticking to their convictions.

[wingfanjim]

[PennSpartan]

Originally Posted by MSURed

We don't need animal furs or skins NOW, so what does that have to do with choices people make now. It's quite a leap you're making. It's hard to measure actual intelligence, but vegans and vegetarians do tend to have higher than average education.

I guess my point is, you can disagree with someone without calling them stupid. Maybe you missed that day of kindergarten

What the hell are your shoes made out of? Plastic?

[Colonel Forbin]

Originally Posted by PennSpartan

What the hell are your shoes made out of? Plastic?

The pair I have next to me is made out of canvas and rubber.

[Misterray]

Originally Posted by PennSpartan

What the hell are your shoes made out of? Plastic?

Do you really want to stroll down that hemp-lined cotton-padded wooden soled road?

[Krazykyle]

Originally Posted by Colonel Forbin

The pair I have next to me is made out of canvas and rubber.

How convenient. Mine are made of steaks.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by PennSpartan

What the hell are your shoes made out of? Plastic?

I like how people think they're going to 'catch me' by saying that my shoes have to be leather. It's not that hard to find shoes that aren't leather, folks. 95% of shoes have print on the actual shoe somewhere saying either 'all man-made materials', 'leather upper', 'cuero vero', 'suede', or they show a picture of an animal pelt. If I can't tell, I don't buy it. Simple.

EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure, it IS kinda a pain in the ass to find good non-leather shoes. Well except running shoes, which are easy to find. But it's worth it to me. It's that whole 'making choices for yourself' thing. I recommend everyone do it.

[PennSpartan]

Originally Posted by MSURed

I like how people think they're going to 'catch me' by saying that my shoes have to be leather. It's not that hard to find shoes that aren't leather, folks. 95% of shoes have print on the actual shoe somewhere saying either 'all man-made materials', 'leather upper', 'cuero vero', 'suede', or they show a picture of an animal pelt. If I can't tell, I don't buy it. Simple.

EDIT: In the interest of full disclosure, it IS kinda a pain in the ass to find good non-leather shoes. Well except running shoes, which are easy to find. But it's worth it to me. It's that whole 'making choices for yourself' thing. I recommend everyone do it.

Well that's my point. Non leather (read: plastic) shoes are terrible. Feet sweat, stink, shoes crack, etc. Sorry, but for "dress" shoes, nothing but leather will do.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by PennSpartan

Well that's my point. Non leather (read: plastic) shoes are terrible. Feet sweat, stink, shoes crack, etc. Sorry, but for "dress" shoes, nothing but leather will do.

A lot of them are, sure. It takes effort to find good ones, effort that you've never had a reason to put forth. Most people just look at cost and quality, I look at those factors and add in my ethical considerations as well.

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by MSURed

We don't need animal furs or skins NOW, so what does that have to do with choices people make now. It's quite a leap you're making. It's hard to measure actual intelligence, but vegans and vegetarians do tend to have higher than average education.

I guess my point is, you can disagree with someone without calling them stupid. Maybe you missed that day of kindergarten

I'm very comfortable calling people stupid that suggest it's "exploitive" or "wrong" to eat honey and wear wool, especially if they state it in terms of moral absolutes.

If they want to talk about this being a preference or a good thing to do, we can have a discussion about it. The vegans I've encountered don't tend to talk about the issues in that way.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by Pablo Fanque

I'm very comfortable calling people stupid that suggest it's "exploitive" or "wrong" to eat honey and wear wool, especially if they state it in terms of moral absolutes.

If they want to talk about this being a preference or a good thing to do, we can have a discussion about it. The vegans I've encountered don't tend to talk about the issues in that way.

It's amazing how you people know so many vegans when I, a vegetarian of nearly 16 years, am only friends with one true vegan and have had discussions with only a few others in my life.

Many vegans are mainly concerned with the ethical treatment of the animals, and since you can never be REALLY sure what happens to your food/products before they get to you, they just remove themselves from the equation entirely. Most vegans are intelligent people who are devoted to their beliefs, and the in-your-face ones that get on TV give everyone else a bad rap. Perhaps that's why you have such a bad impression of vegans. How would you know someone was a vegan unless you a) had a meal with them or b) they just told you for no reason. In my professional career I've had several coworkers that I would eat lunch with regularly, and they wouldn't know I was a vegetarian for weeks or months. I just don't see a need to talk about it unless there's a reason.

[Gotham_Spartan]

Originally Posted by Left_Of_The_Dial

Here is a list of people who might disagree with you:

Pythagoras
Plato
Voltaire
Immanuel Kant
Albert Einstein
Mark Twain
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Mohandas Gandhi
Leo Tolstoy
Franz Kafka
Leonardo da Vinci
Emile Zola
Martin Luther King Jr.
George Bernard Shaw
Sir Isaac Newton
Alice Walker
Vincent Van Gogh
Albert Schweitzer
John Coltrane
Charles Darwin
Louisa May Alcott
Thomas Edison
William Blake
Arthur Schopenhauer
Anthony Robbins
Jiddu Krishnamurti
Socrates
Nikola Tesla
Flavius Claudius Julianus
Richard Wagner
Upton Sinclair
Jean Jacques Rousseau
Srinivasa Ramanujan
Henry David Thoreau
Henry Ford
Alan Watts
Charlotte Bronte
H.G. Wells
John Milton
Aristotle
Apollonius of Tyana

Just think what these people could have accomplished had their brains been able to develop properly.

How many of them were raised vegetarian as children? The issue is not their adult diet. With the right mix of vegetarian foods, you can maintain an adult human brain with no problem. The critical time is the first few years, when most of the brain growth occurs. I would wager that, to the extent we know, most of these were raised on an omnivorous diet as children and became vegetarians only later, but let me know if you have any evidence to the contrary for any of them.

Lardly yours,