Kirk Cousins on the 2 QB System

Leave Cousins in!! · 11-03-2009, 01:33 PM

He said at the press conference today that it's not ideal to be taken out of the game after a TD drive, but he won't second guess MD

Death Roe · 11-03-2009, 01:35 PM

I got pissed when I saw KN in the game.

Log Jammin · 11-03-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Death Roe

I got pissed when I saw KN in the game.

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Dr. Tailgate · 11-03-2009, 01:40 PM

Yeah... Karsch and Gator thought that was a curious statement and wonder what kind of waves may be going through MSU's lockerroom.

But don't worry, because they also think Michigan is fine and have been where people expected them to be when the season began.... so all is well in AA.

I swear to ****ing Christ... I so wanna take a day off of work so I can call these buffoons and give them a piece of my mind. They're absolutely awful.

419Spartan08 · 11-03-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Death Roe

I got pissed when I saw KN in the game.

+134,367,378

Enough of this **** already, leave our captain in the ****ing game after he drives down for a TD!

Brian T. · 11-03-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Death Roe

I got pissed when I saw KN in the game.

Me too. To me, MD's insistance on inserting KN into the game at all tells me that either, 1) MD is afraid of not playing Nichol because he doesn't want Nichol to transfer again, or 2) he's is truly lacking judgement as to how good Nichol is and/or when the best timing is to put him into the game. Either way, I'm not as confident in him as I was before the season, although I wouldn't want anyone else coaching the Spartans.

SpartyOnInChitown · 11-03-2009, 01:46 PM

KEEP COUSINS IN THE ****ING GAME!!!!!

PennSpartan · 11-03-2009, 01:48 PM

If there is some "rule" that he has to put Nichol in, do it on the first series of the game and get it over with.

Spartan Punk · 11-03-2009, 01:48 PM

I would have no problem with Nichol coming in after KC's had a few drives stall out (like in the first half vs ND) or to bring him in during certain situations, ie inside the 5 yard line, 3rd and short, etc. But to bring him in cold inside our own 5 yard after we had just scored was mind boggling. Did he really think that KN had a better chance to drive the team 95 yards than KC did?

Artie Loves Pancakes · 11-03-2009, 01:49 PM

If you haven't realized that this Keith Nichol garbage is 100% political then you haven't been paying attention.

Dantonio has obviously made promises to Nichol in some way or another, and is submarining Cousins (and this team) to keep his word. Not only has Cousins proven to be the best QB in the Big Ten (without argument IMO,) but Nichol has proven to be wholly ineffecient. The talent disparity is real, and it's been evidenced over the course of the season. To insert Nichol into the game inside his own 10 yard line, trailing 14-7, following a Cousins TD pass, right after Cousins got into rhythm, and wearing a giant elbow brace is unfair to both QBs and the entire team.

Dantonio has proven that he cares less about team success and more about keeping promises to Nichol or whoever he made them to. Only political reasons would cause Nichol to have any playing time in a meaningful situation over a healthy Cousins. This hasn't been hidden and it's pretty much destroyed this season... I think it has played a large role in the losses to CMU, ND, and now Minnesota.

Sparty2QP · 11-03-2009, 01:49 PM

So Cousins said it is not ideal to come out after a TD drive.

News Flash, the football is not totally round either. Obvious statement.

He also said that he supports

and is not going to second guess him. Dead issue.

Pablo Fanque · 11-03-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Tailgate

Yeah... Karsch and Gator thought that was a curious statement and wonder what kind of waves may be going through MSU's lockerroom.

But don't worry, because they also think Michigan is fine and have been where people expected them to be when the season began.... so all is well in AA.

I swear to ****ing Christ... I so wanna take a day off of work so I can call these buffoons and give them a piece of my mind. They're absolutely awful.

Yeah. Right. More like a ripple. Cousins, perhaps inartfully, was saying nothing more than you would expect a competitive kid to say: he wanted to play and was feeling in a rhythm. It's as if Cousins was asked to respond to being yanked after he had thrown 2 picks.

In a pylon st8ofmind · 11-03-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Death Roe

I got pissed when I saw KN in the game.

This is putting it extremely mildly.

Dantonio apparently loses his god damn mind once he gets West of Chicago.

He did the same ******* thing against Wisconsin.

Both times after sick ass TOUCHDOWN throws by Cousins.

blanch32 · 11-03-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PennSpartan

If there is some "rule" that he has to put Nichol in, do it on the first series of the game and get it over with.

Agreed. Cousins is a slow starter, while Nichol appears to be a guy that starts out either hot or cold.

SpartyHardy · 11-03-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparty2QP

So Cousins said it is not ideal to come out after a TD drive.

News Flash, the football is not totally round either. Obvious statement.

He also said that he supports

and is not going to second guess him. Dead issue.

Exactly the diplomatic type of response that you would hope to expect from him. Like you said...dead issue.

Brian T. · 11-03-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparty2QP

So Cousins said it is not ideal to come out after a TD drive.

News Flash, the football is not totally round either. Obvious statement.

He also said that he supports

and is not going to second guess him. Dead issue.

What's he gonna say? He's a good kid and team player. It may be a dead issue, but we as pissed off fans have every right to not be happy about it. And this message board provides us the perfect outlet to express our displeasure.

Brian T. · 11-03-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by blanch32

Agreed. Cousins is a slow starter, while Nichol appears to be a guy that starts out either hot or cold.

When did he start out hot?

In a pylon st8ofmind · 11-03-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian T.

When did he start out hot?

2 straight TD's to start Illini game?

Sid Farkus · 11-03-2009, 02:03 PM

Based on Nickles' one-hop passes, I feel confident in saying that Oklahoma was not concerned when he transferred. His mechanics are clearly not as good as Cousins'.

Pablo Fanque · 11-03-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by In a pylon st8ofmind

This is putting it extremely mildly.

Dantonio apparently loses his god damn mind once he gets West of Chicago.

He did the same ******* thing against Wisconsin.

Both times after sick ass TOUCHDOWN throws by Cousins.

This is one of the things that I've absolutely hated about Dantonio. It is, in fact, the only thing I am really willing to challenge the staff about. It's OBVIOUS to everyone watching that Cousins is ready to be an effective Big 10 QB and Nichol can't even make short passes to wide open receivers. I honestly believe that Damon Dowdell was more reliable than Nichol has shown to be at this point. Granted, Nichol still could be pretty good. It's early to say he's going to be a flop. But so far...

Dorian · 11-03-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Artie Loves Pancakes

If you haven't realized that this Keith Nichol garbage is 100% political then you haven't been paying attention.

Dantonio has obviously made promises to Nichol in some way or another, and is submarining Cousins (and this team) to keep his word. Not only has Cousins proven to be the best QB in the Big Ten (without argument IMO,) but Nichol has proven to be wholly ineffecient. The talent disparity is real, and it's been evidenced over the course of the season. To insert Nichol into the game inside his own 10 yard line, trailing 14-7, following a Cousins TD pass, right after Cousins got into rhythm, and wearing a giant elbow brace is unfair to both QBs and the entire team.

Dantonio has proven that he cares less about team success and more about keeping promises to Nichol or whoever he made them to. Only political reasons would cause Nichol to have any playing time in a meaningful situation over a healthy Cousins. This hasn't been hidden and it's pretty much destroyed this season... I think it has played a large role in the losses to CMU, ND, and now Minnesota.

While I didn't hear Mike V.'s rant, I believe he mentioned this, and I'm starting to believe it.

LibTech · 11-03-2009, 02:15 PM

He said the exact same thing after the loss to Wisconsin during which he was pulled after throwing a TD pass and Nichol took over and threw a pick. Nothing new here.

“It is tough to get in rhythm at times when you’re going in and out of the game. I’ve said before it’s not the ideal situation to ... score, establish a rhythm, feel like you’ve got something going and then not be in there. But again, the coaches, that’s their decision.”

hIZZOner · 11-03-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Artie Loves Pancakes

If you haven't realized that this Keith Nichol garbage is 100% political then you haven't been paying attention.

Dantonio has obviously made promises to Nichol in some way or another, and is submarining Cousins (and this team) to keep his word. Not only has Cousins proven to be the best QB in the Big Ten (without argument IMO,) but Nichol has proven to be wholly ineffecient. The talent disparity is real, and it's been evidenced over the course of the season. To insert Nichol into the game inside his own 10 yard line, trailing 14-7, following a Cousins TD pass, right after Cousins got into rhythm, and wearing a giant elbow brace is unfair to both QBs and the entire team.

Dantonio has proven that he cares less about team success and more about keeping promises to Nichol or whoever he made them to. Only political reasons would cause Nichol to have any playing time in a meaningful situation over a healthy Cousins. This hasn't been hidden and it's pretty much destroyed this season... I think it has played a large role in the losses to CMU, ND, and now Minnesota.

This.

Bad coaching year for Coach D all around

froot loops · 11-03-2009, 02:18 PM

The craziest thing about the continued insistence on putting a backup into the game like Dantonio is doing is his explanation leaves to to think that they are doing it based on drawing out of a hat. Yesterday he said they planned on bringing him is for at least a series versus Minnesota. OK, fine, its still a stupid plan but thats what he wants to do.

Sometimes plans should be changing when you are down 14-0 before taking a snap in a critical game. Its like they put numbers in a hat and pulled out drive #4. That was the time he was going to go in. Dantonio is talking like its the preseason in the NFL. You are 9 games in brother, you have a good QB in Cousins who is a lot better than Nichol. You don't have a good enough team to be throwing away drives.

And no matter what Cousins says, its not a dead issue and I'm sure he and other players on the team are scratching their heads. No team is preparing for a Nichol offense because that offense isn't any different nor is it explosive. This is not a Leak/Tebow situation.

Death Roe · 11-03-2009, 02:20 PM

Now saying Damon Dowdell is more reliable than Nichol is just plain dumb. Don't be dumb, Pablo.