Still a lot of positives

[MeanJoe]

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

[Brian T.]

Thanks, Joe.

[Artie Loves Pancakes]

We do have the best coach in the Midwest. In basketball. But definitely not in football.

[bigger arms than JF]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.
4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

Uhhhhh, what?

[MSU1995]

Until this program takes care of the long standing issues (penalties at the worst possible time, insane play calling, crapping the bed in crunch time, inability to cover ANY receiver) I will be extremely guarded with my optimism about MSU football. I am certainly not a negative Nancy, but you have to realize that anyone over the age of about 27 has both seen and heard it all. Its time put up some results.

Your arguement that MSU is the best 5 loss team in the country based solely on margin of defeat is one of the dumbest I have ever heard. If that is the case, then MSU didn't win the National Title in Basketball in 2000. Wright State won it because of their victory over MSU and their wins against other programs.

[MeanJoe]

Originally Posted by MSU1995

Your arguement that MSU is the best 5 loss team in the country based solely on margin of defeat is one of the dumbest I have ever heard. If that is the case, then MSU didn't win the National Title in Basketball in 2000. Wright State won it because of their victory over MSU and their wins against other programs.

Can you name a better 5 loss team? I didn't think so.

[Dr. Tailgate]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

I don't consider myself to be overly negative, but I hope this is a joke.

[john winger]

the honeymoon with MD is over. its time for him to prove he can win some of these close games.
the best coach in the midwest is tressel and his record proves that. MD has a lot to prove going into next year.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by MSU1995

Until this program takes care of the long standing issues (penalties at the worst possible time, insane play calling, crapping the bed in crunch time, inability to cover ANY receiver) I will be extremely guarded with my optimism about MSU football. I am certainly not a negative Nancy, but you have to realize that anyone over the age of about 27 has both seen and heard it all. Its time put up some results.

I wouldn't consider a partial season to be "long standing". None of those things that you listed were a major issue last year. And most of them were not really issues against UM, Illinois, or NU...or even for the first 58:30 of the Iowa game. You may not be a negative nancy, but you are a bit of an exaggerator.

By the way, did you really seriously respond to MeanJoe? I thought it was pretty obvious from his first "point" that his post was a poor attempt at being funny/sarcastic. Just another weak schtick.

[SpartanMatt79]

I think anyone with reading comprehension skills will see that the original post is oozing with sarcasm.

[MSU1995]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

I wouldn't consider a partial season to be "long standing". None of those things that you listed were a major issue last year. And most of them were not really issues against UM, Illinois, or NU...or even for the first 58:30 of the Iowa game. You may not be a negative nancy, but you are a bit of an exaggerator.

By the way, did you really seriously respond to MeanJoe? I thought it was pretty obvious from his first "point" that his post was a poor attempt at being funny/sarcastic. Just another weak schtick.

Based on this post, I am going to guess that you have been a Spartan football fan for about 2 years. Otherwise, your post makes no sense. Look at the history of this program...

[Coach Ks bad back]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

Suggestion...lay it on thicker next time. This is gonna fly right above the heads of 80% of the posters here.

[BennyGFlecktones]

the sarcasm is pretty veiled if it is there, so i will just say that I really hope you aren't serious about "best coach in the midwest"

i like to think even the worst Sunshine Blowers don't hold that belief.

[Spartan1985]

You know our program has reached total regression when someone posts that we are the best 4-5 team in the country.

[RH Spartan]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

Can you name a better 5 loss team? I didn't think so.

Wake Forest and Mississippi State are just as good if not better.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by MSU1995

Based on this post, I am going to guess that you have been a Spartan football fan for about 2 years. Otherwise, your post makes no sense. Look at the history of this program...

Why don't you try responding with some substance rather than a weak little quip that shows nothing but your own ignorance. Please tell me how this makes no sense:

I wouldn't consider a partial season to be "long standing". None of those things that you listed were a major issue last year. And most of them were not really issues against UM, Illinois, or NU...or even for the first 58:30 of the Iowa game.

Were any of those things a major issue last year? Were any of those things an issue in the games this year that I referred to? If you're talking beyond the last two seasons, fine, let's talk about that.

Was pass coverage a major issue under Saban? Or in the late 80s under Perles? Funny how those coaches put a few DBs into the NFL, despite not being able to cover "ANY receiver".

Was crapping the bed in crunch time a major issue under Saban or Perles? Because there were about as many close wins as close losses under those guys. Blowouts were a much bigger issue than anything during "crunch time".

What about insane play calling? Please give specific examples from the Perles and Saban eras, including the game situation and why it was insane, not just "running up the middle".

I'll give you the penalties. That seems like it has spanned decades. However, there are also years where penalties are not a big issue at all, so even that is not a consistent issue.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but back up your arguments, rather than just making blanket, exaggerated statements. I know that's a lot to ask from this board.

[MiamiSpartan]

Originally Posted by Spartan1985

You know our program has reached total regression when someone posts that we are the best 4-5 team in the country.

You know that our message board trolls have reached total regression when even they can't spot a sarcastic, trolling message.

[MeanJoe]

Originally Posted by Coach Ks bad back

Suggestion...lay it on thicker next time. This is gonna fly right above the heads of 80% of the posters here.

Thanks for the tip Coach, I shall do my best.

[Coach Hoski]

Scum schtick.

[SGT_HULKA]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

Mean Joe right before posting this:

[Hank Moody]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

Is this post serious?

[Hank Moody]

Originally Posted by Coach Hoski

Scum schtick.

Yup.

Schitck alert!

[MSU1995]

Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan

Why don't you try responding with some substance rather than a weak little quip that shows nothing but your own ignorance. Please tell me how this makes no sense:

Were any of those things a major issue last year? Were any of those things an issue in the games this year that I referred to? If you're talking beyond the last two seasons, fine, let's talk about that.

Was pass coverage a major issue under Saban? Or in the late 80s under Perles? Funny how those coaches put a few DBs into the NFL, despite not being able to cover "ANY receiver".

Was crapping the bed in crunch time a major issue under Saban or Perles? Because there were about as many close wins as close losses under those guys. Blowouts were a much bigger issue than anything during "crunch time".

What about insane play calling? Please give specific examples from the Perles and Saban eras, including the game situation and why it was insane, not just "running up the middle".

I'll give you the penalties. That seems like it has spanned decades. However, there are also years where penalties are not a big issue at all, so even that is not a consistent issue.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but back up your arguments, rather than just making blanket, exaggerated statements. I know that's a lot to ask from this board.

Even though this is a BS post (first post, not necessarily your reply), I will address your points.

1) Were these issues last year? Yes they were, but to a lesser extent. Even most of the people on this board will admit that MSU was very lucky to win several games last year. Most of what I was referencing was for pretty much every year over the past 20 except for last year.

2) I don't know what team you have been watching, but the DB's have been consistantly been among the worst in the Big Ten for decades. They were a HUGE problem for Saban, Perles, John L, Bobby, and continue to be under Dantonio. I guess you missed the UM game in 1999 when UM scored 21 points in about 5 minutes due to the outstanding coverage abilities of the DB's. If you want to go more recent, how about the 3OT game. Did a great job covering the WR that game huh? Otis WIley was the exception to the rule and he was the next best thing to terrible until his senior year when he really came on. He got benched remember for most of his Junior year. Name me ONE DB from MSU that played even a marginal role for an NFL team in the past 20 years? Off the top of my head, I can't think of even one.

3)You are obviously VERY young if you want to talk about play calling under dear old George. Every thrid and 7+ was a draw play. EVERY first down was a run off tackle. Relied far too heavily on a running game that more often than not (Lorenzo White years excluded) could not execute. The whole stadium knew what he was calling and it got to be far too predictable. The 4 years I was at MSU (last 4 for George) were the most unwatchable games I have ever seen. At least with Bobby, there was some level of excitement. The current regime has already been beaten to death with their lousy play calling at all aspects of the game so I won't go into it here. If you want to get into individual plays from that era, sorry, my memory isn't that good.

4) the penalties have been as consistant as death and taxes for this program. The numbers may have varried over the years, but you have to go farther than that. It is the type of penalty and when it is committed. PF, PI, or off sides when the game is on the line have littered this program over the past 20 years. If there is a stupid penalty that can be made, it seems like this program makes it. If there is an unbelievable way for this program to lose a game, they are doing it.

I am not making blanket, exagerated statements. These are facts and if you were to ask anyone who has followed this program for more than a couple of years, you will get no disagreement from any of them. You, sir, need to take a history lesson on the MSU program and the shortcommings of it.

If these are not specific enough for you, I am sorry that I can't recall each and every play over the past 20 years.

[MeanJoe]

Originally Posted by MSU1995

3)You are obviously VERY young if you want to talk about play calling under dear old George. Every thrid and 7+ was a draw play. EVERY first down was a run off tackle. Relied far too heavily on a running game that more often than not (Lorenzo White years excluded) could not execute. The whole stadium knew what he was calling and it got to be far too predictable.

Remember the crowd reaction when Erik O reminded the fans in SS to tune into the George Perles Show??

[Blade Runner]

Originally Posted by MeanJoe

While there are a lot of negatives nancies on this Board, there are still many positives that have been pointed on herein. To summarize:

1. We have the best coach in the Midwest. People need to realize it takes time to turn a program around. How long did it take Meyer at Utah? Meyer at Florida? How long did it take Saban at LSU? Saban at Alabama? Kelly at Central? Kelly at Cincinnati?

2. We have the best 4-5 team in the country. Our five losses are by a lower point total than any other 5 loss team. We are only a few plays, and/or a few seconds, from a much better record.

3. We are going to be awesome in 2011. Many fans are impatient and act like 1966 is ancient history.

4. We have a coach who will be with us for the long haul. Not some fancy pants who is undefeated and just waiting for the next big time opening. I love the way stalks the sideline with that scowl looking like he was just served a bad plate of ravioli.

So sack up and tame the Broncos!!

First off, unless you are talking about Izzo...false.

Secondly, being the best 4-5 team in the nation...are you serious? Washington was "the best" 0-12 team in the nation last year.