Foles vs. Nichol

[markv]

Spartan for life, but now teaching at Arizona, so i see all these quarterbacks every snap they take. Cousins is very good (Nichols only sort of), but if you saw enough of Foles you'd know that MSU let the best one get away. I don't know the backstory on his transfer, but from the outside i was assuming that he left because he realized he wasn't going to be let loose, starter or otherwise, to really pass 30 times a game at MSU. So he went to a school where he could get a better audition for the pros.

[OPSpartan]

Zumaya denying he's spartyirish reminds me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU

guess you can't blame him though, he knows what a raging douche he was/is and is giving his best slickjerseynick impersonation by trying to deny deny deny hoping people will eventually forget. We won't though lol.

[SouthernSpartan]

I was disappointed when Foles transferred. We arrived early for the Champs Sport Bowl in '07 and watched the quarterbacks warm up. He was throwing lasers across that field, and clearly had the best arm of any of our QB's.

[INDIMSU]

Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

As opposed to being a starter on a top 25 team? Yeah, I'm sure Foles sits and ponders why he didn't stay at MSU and be a back up on a 4-5 team.

Duh. It appears MD swept the wrong guy out....and still tries to justify it by slipping in Nichol at inappropriate times.

If MD had said "no thanks" to Nichol, and MSU was still 4-5 this year with Foles, the schtick brigade would be saying he should have taken KN.

[silveroof1]

Originally Posted by DantonIzzo

I don't know if this thread will stay open or not, but I'd like to have a civil discussion about which QB you'd rather have.

It's fairly obvious that Foles saw the writing on the wall and decided to transfer when Nichol came back to EL. Foles took over as Arizona's QB and the Wildcats haven't looked back since; Foles is putting up big numbers and the 'Cats are in the Top-25.

Even if Foles were still at MSU, I think it's safe to say Cousins would be starting right now. Whether or not MSU would be using its two-QB system with Cousins and Foles is anyone's guess. But do you think this ultimately will work out in MSU's favor -- now that you've seen both of them play -- or would the Spartans be better off with Foles on the roster and Nichol at OU?

Who cares, Foles is not here. Move on, let's get over it and look ahead not back.

[The Armchair Quarterback]

Originally Posted by SouthernSpartan

I was disappointed when Foles transferred. We arrived early for the Champs Sport Bowl in '07 and watched the quarterbacks warm up. He was throwing lasers across that field, and clearly had the best arm of any of our QB's.

Foles saw a sinking ship and left. Will the ship sail next year, who knows.

[INDIMSU]

Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

Well in this case I will defer to MD's superior judgment to evaluating D1 QB's. He obviously thought Nichols was better and now Foles is starting on a superior team in a better conference.

Did Foles ever directly compete with KN and KC? Serious question because I don't remember the timing of the transfer.

[PipersFly]

The right thing to do was politely thank Nichol, Nichol's father, and Noel Dean for their renewed interest, but unfortunately we've moved on and we have a solid QB corp, no thanks to you carpetbaggers, and the Foles' family made a committment to MSU and unlike you Messrs. Nichol and Dean, we will honor our committment. Thant's what should have gone down regardless of whom Dantonio thought was better. Like I said don't ever forget this "transaction" because it showed all of us what Mr. Clean is capable of doing to anyone, including his own QB.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by PipersFly

The right thing to do was politely thank Nichol, Nichol's father, and Noel Dean for their renewed interest, but unfortunately we've moved on and we have a solid QB corp, no thanks to you carpetbaggers, and the Foles' family made a committment to MSU and unlike you Messrs. Nichol and Dean, we will honor our committment. Thant's what should have gone down regardless of whom Dantonio thought was better. Like I said don't ever forget this "transaction" because it showed all of us what Mr. Clean is capable of doing to anyone, including his own QB.

You're the pathetic arsehole who was emailing a high school football coach and a senior quarterback. So basically you and donnyrotten can shut the **** up. Thanks!!

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

Well in this case I will defer to MD's superior judgment to evaluating D1 QB's. He obviously thought Nichol was better and now Foles is starting on a superior team in a better conference.

Finally the used car salesman gets a clue. Now if you would just lay down in front of a moving truck we'd be all set. Cheers donnyroundhead.

[monty4msu]

My problem with Foles, and i said it when he left, is; IF he was the best QB why was he afraid to stay and prove it? Seemed to me then and now, he was not confident in his ability. Not saying that he hasnt done the job for Zona, but thats not to say that he would have done the same for MSU. As far as who i prefer between Foles and KN, its KN w/o a doubt. To me its the bottom line, KN has had one full game, result a W. KC has had two full games, result 2 L's. But dont let that get in anyones way.

[SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

Finally the used car salesman gets a clue. Now if you would just lay down in front of a moving truck we'd be all set. Cheers donnyroundhead.

Is this double wide deck pissers new name ?

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by SCOTTS BLOATED LIVER

Is this double wide deck pissers new name ?

Yep. New handle, same level of stupidity. You can't disguise that type of idiocy.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by monty4msu

My problem with Foles, and i said it when he left, is; IF he was the best QB why was he afraid to stay and prove it? Seemed to me then and now, he was not confident in his ability. Not saying that he hasnt done the job for Zona, but thats not to say that he would have done the same for MSU. As far as who i prefer between Foles and KN, its KN w/o a doubt. To me its the bottom line, KN has had one full game, result a W. KC has had two full games, result 2 L's. But dont let that get in anyones way.

Yea because Cousins play has been the problem. Jesus Christ.

[INDIMSU]

Originally Posted by monty4msu

My problem with Foles, and i said it when he left, is; IF he was the best QB why was he afraid to stay and prove it?

This gets at what I was asking above, regarding when Foles transferred. It isn't like MD brought in KN to replace a solid starter or something.

Allowing Nichol to come back really just added a person to the future QB competition.

[PipersFly]

Nick Foles isn't, wasn't afraid of anything except future treachery mirroring the treachery that brought him to MSU in the first place. His sense of fair play was violated by MSU and he took action. Yes there was emotion, but one of those emotions was not fear. Please, why would Nick be afraid of this Sooner fellow.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by PipersFly

Nick Foles isn't, wasn't afraid of anything except future treachery mirroring the treachery that brought him to MSU in the first place. His sense of fair play was violated by MSU and he took action. Yes there was emotion, but one of those emotions was not fear. Please, why would Nick be afraid of this Sooner fellow.

lol you stupid piece of garbage. Hr transferred because cousins beat him out not Nichol. All those emails to coach dean and the Nichol family really blew up in your face didn't they?

[Kam Fong as Chin Ho]

Since Cousins beat out Foles head to head in front of the coaching staff by a mile, this seems a moot point.

[Yakispartan]

There is no doubt Kirk Cousins is the guy to lead at QB until he leaves. That said, Foles seemed like a quality kid with great skills. He made the decision best for him. I doubt MD would opt to choose to go with an inferior talent at QB. Why would he want to undermine his own team and success? Makes no sense. Competition causes these sorts of mixups. Same think happened with Natale, who hasn't worked out so well. It is the luck of the draw sometimes. Simple as that.

[The Armchair Quarterback]

We let foles go. We coulda had Kelly. We could be 9-0 with Foles and Kelly. Am I wrong.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by The Armchair Quarterback

We let foles go. We coulda had Kelly. We could be 9-0 with Foles and Kelly. Am I wrong.

lol

[MichState04]

Originally Posted by OPSpartan

You're still bitter that your lover JLS was canned. You must've gone through serious mancrush withdrawal. But you can always go down to fayateville and wooopigsooie his old man balls.

Sounds like Foles knew he was gonna have a hard time passing Cousins. Best of luck to him at Zona, i hope he makes a lot of money playing football.

Ahh, so PipersFly and Trapper Gus are in bed together. It all makes sense now.

[chitownsparty86]

Originally Posted by monty4msu

My problem with Foles, and i said it when he left, is; IF he was the best QB why was he afraid to stay and prove it? Seemed to me then and now, he was not confident in his ability. Not saying that he hasnt done the job for Zona, but thats not to say that he would have done the same for MSU. As far as who i prefer between Foles and KN, its KN w/o a doubt. To me its the bottom line, KN has had one full game, result a W. KC has had two full games, result 2 L's. But dont let that get in anyones way.

Are you kidding me with this? Might it have to do with who they are playing? Plus, didn't KC win the NU game?

[makarios]

Originally Posted by PipersFly

The right thing to do was politely thank Nichol, Nichol's father, and Noel Dean for their renewed interest, but unfortunately we've moved on and we have a solid QB corp, no thanks to you carpetbaggers, and the Foles' family made a committment to MSU and unlike you Messrs. Nichol and Dean, we will honor our committment. Thant's what should have gone down regardless of whom Dantonio thought was better. Like I said don't ever forget this "transaction" because it showed all of us what Mr. Clean is capable of doing to anyone, including his own QB.

Too bad Mr Foles doesn't see it your way...

“We came to an understanding of everything going on,” Foles said. “I told him that it was best for me to be close to home with my family and he granted my release.”

Larry Foles, Nick’s father, credits Dantonio for handling his son’s release in a professional manner.

“He’s a class act and it ended great,” Larry Foles said. “Dantonio is such a charismatic person that you’d go to war for him, and that’s what attracted Nick to MSU.”

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by makarios

Too bad Mr Foles doesn't see it your way...

“We came to an understanding of everything going on,” Foles said. “I told him that it was best for me to be close to home with my family and he granted my release.”

Larry Foles, Nick’s father, credits Dantonio for handling his son’s release in a professional manner.

“He’s a class act and it ended great,” Larry Foles said. “Dantonio is such a charismatic person that you’d go to war for him, and that’s what attracted Nick to MSU.”

You're wasting your time. pipers literally wrote dozens of email to coach Dean and the Nichol family chastising them for Keith electing to go to OU. Only a sick **** would waste the time and energy to find out their email addresses then go on a one man crusade against them. I can only imagine the stuff he sent to Cedric Everson or Justin Tomerlin.