LAKS wants some answers from the BT on those crap replays

[Garrett Rivas' Gut]

Thank God

[Madison1991]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

She is the one MSU President during my lifetime that best understands what MSU sports mean for the university. She is a genuine MSU fan and a friend of MSU Athletics.

What about DiBiaggio?

[Redwingenator]

Originally Posted by richwig

Could you please document this claim? External grants and donations have to be the top source of income for the university's general fund. Royalties from MSU's one wonder drug invention, Cisplatin, brought in millions over the years.

When people complain about the high cost of athletics programs, the retort is that athletics has its own budget. That cuts both ways. Please cite a source and quote dollar amounts justifying your claim that athletics not only pays its own way, but also contributes to the university's general coffers.

(I am not arguing one way or the other about whether a university president should deign to second guess football officiating. Just want the facts straight.)

I'm too lazy to dig up actual information to prove my point, but lets use some general common sense. The overall athletic budget is for the most part in the black or close to it every year, so athletics essentially cost the university nothing while generating a large amount of exposure for the university which likely results in more students.

[MSULordyoda]

Originally Posted by richwig

Could you please document this claim? External grants and donations have to be the top source of income for the university's general fund. Royalties from MSU's one wonder drug invention, Cisplatin, brought in millions over the years.

When people complain about the high cost of athletics programs, the retort is that athletics has its own budget. That cuts both ways. Please cite a source and quote dollar amounts justifying your claim that athletics not only pays its own way, but also contributes to the university's general coffers.

(I am not arguing one way or the other about whether a university president should deign to second guess football officiating. Just want the facts straight.)

Joe Rexrode did an entire series on this last year!

Here's the summary:
Athletic Department pays the University to use Breslin for all sporting events.
Athletic department is responsible for the money that provide the scholarships for the athletes, which the athletic department gets from its revenue sources.
University gets ALL gameday parking.
University gets 1% off the top from ALL ticket revenue.
University gets a major portion of concessions.
University gets a major portion of merchandise sales.

I might have the parking and concessions backwards but either way the majority of money the athletic department makes from a home football game is from the ticket sales. The university coffers get just about everything else.

[BrassBallsAlum]

Originally Posted by GaTechSpartan

I would be all behind this if programs at MSU weren't being cut and tuition wasn't going up by double-digit percents. LAKS is doing a great job, but you should probably have Hollis out in Chicago worrying about the replay while you tackle one of the biggest economic crises in university history. Just sayin.

Since when is a winning football program and football revenue not related?

[MichState04]

Originally Posted by Trevor Barnes

She is the one MSU President during my lifetime that best understands what MSU sports mean for the university. She is a genuine MSU fan and a friend of MSU Athletics.

I agree.

[Gotham_Spartan]

Here's a link to an article that gives some detail about the athletics budget:

Outside the bottom lines | lansingstatejournal.com | Lansing State Journal

Spartanly yours,

[Garrett Rivas' Gut]

I wish I could completely fail at my job and still get paid.

[Death Roe]

Good for her, go there and kick some ass.

[RPMadMSU]

Originally Posted by Garrett Rivas' Gut

I wish I could completely fail at my job and still get paid.

Be a Government Contractor....

[Misterray]

It's just amazing how many jackasses I've added to the iggy list in just the last few days.

Amazing!

[Garrett Rivas' Gut]

Originally Posted by RPMadMSU

Be a Government Contractor....

Unfortunately

[Dr. Lansing]

This is embarrassing and nothing the university president should be meddling in. If you've got a gripe then leave it to the AD to handle. I swear the football program is dysfunctional. There are way too many cooks in the kitchen - from the president & board of trustees on down.

[Gotham_Spartan]

Originally Posted by Giant Moose

I wish I could get into it more, but even in an anonymous online world, things could come back to me. I know that sounds like a cop out, but... it is what it is. Probably should have not brought it up.

At least she didn't fall asleep at an affirmative action meeting like McPherson did, though: The State News : Snoozing slip-up

Taking the second point first, although I'm not the world's biggest fan of President Peter, given the schedules that university presidents must keep, it's a miracle they don't all fall asleep several times a day. The McPherson incident happened six years ago, and he fell asleep during a lengthy speech by a law professor. As a lawyer and thus a graduate of a law school, let me tell you that direct injection of amphetamines after a pitcher of Red Bull couldn't keep you awake during talks by some law professors. We had one for which some of my classmates would drink coffee spiked with Nodoz and their heads would still end up hitting the desk.

As for the first, cop out would be a fair term. It also ruins your credibility -- it begins to make it sound like it's an individual grudge situation. No president, of anything, can please all the people all the time, so if she hasn't left a few people pissed off in her wake, she wouldn't be doing her job, and Michigan's economy and politics means there will be many, many more in the future. That being said, I certainly have no way of knowing what your concerns with her presidency are.

Peter McPh. left her several very large messes (JLS was the least of them, although about the most public), she's had to cope with shifting politics on a board of trustees of very uneven quality, she's presently coping with perhaps the worst financial future prospects of any of the world's top 100 research universities, and a university president has a lot less power and authority than most people think (as one example, MSU is the most heavily unionized university in the Big Ten, which makes a lot of moves done easily elsewhere either cumbersome or impossible at MSU). Nonetheless, she's the most popular president since Hannah himself, and the popularity seems to run both broadly and deeply through every constituency and set of stakeholders of the university of which I'm aware, including people deep on the inside who couldn't possible by fooled. That says something.

From everything I can, she's doing about as good a job as I can imagine with a situation that, at best, is depressing. She doesn't need the job, but is daily implored to stay. I can only imagine the depth of devotion to the institution on which she must draw to keep going.

Spartanly yours,

[RPMadMSU]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

This is embarrassing and nothing the university president should be meddling in. If you've got a gripe then leave it to the AD to handle. I swear the football program is dysfunctional. There are way too many cooks in the kitchen - from the president & board of trustees on down.

I totally disagree with you...let me guess you didn't start following MSU sports until last year and can't remember the Athletic department of 5 or so years ago...or you're a recent Michigan fan and you think their department is the norm.

[ancientspartan]

Originally Posted by GaTechSpartan

I would be all behind this if programs at MSU weren't being cut and tuition wasn't going up by double-digit percents. LAKS is doing a great job, but you should probably have Hollis out in Chicago worrying about the replay while you tackle one of the biggest economic crises in university history. Just sayin.

...and sitting in her office here would help how? Until the selfish and greedy Republicans will agree to increasing revenues, nothing can be done....and I have enough $$$ that I could be one of them but I am wiser than that!

[Giant Moose]

Originally Posted by Gotham_Spartan

Taking the second point first, although I'm not the world's biggest fan of President Peter, given the schedules that university presidents must keep, it's a miracle they don't all fall asleep several times a day. The McPherson incident happened six years ago, and he fell asleep during a lengthy speech by a law professor. As a lawyer and thus a graduate of a law school, let me tell you that direct injection of amphetamines after a pitcher of Red Bull couldn't keep you awake during talks by some law professors. We had one for which some of my classmates would drink coffee spiked with Nodoz and their heads would still end up hitting the desk.

As for the first, cop out would be a fair term. It also ruins your credibility -- it begins to make it sound like it's an individual grudge situation. No president, of anything, can please all the people all the time, so if she hasn't left a few people pissed off in her wake, she wouldn't be doing her job, and Michigan's economy and politics means there will be many, many more in the future. That being said, I certainly have no way of knowing what your concerns with her presidency are.

Peter McPh. left her several very large messes (JLS was the least of them, although about the most public), she's had to cope with shifting politics on a board of trustees of very uneven quality, she's presently coping with perhaps the worst financial future prospects of any of the world's top 100 research universities, and a university president has a lot less power and authority than most people think (as one example, MSU is the most heavily unionized university in the Big Ten, which makes a lot of moves done easily elsewhere either cumbersome or impossible at MSU). Nonetheless, she's the most popular president since Hannah himself, and the popularity seems to run both broadly and deeply through every constituency and set of stakeholders of the university of which I'm aware, including people deep on the inside who couldn't possible by fooled. That says something.

From everything I can, she's doing about as good a job as I can imagine with a situation that, at best, is depressing. She doesn't need the job, but is daily implored to stay. I can only imagine the depth of devotion to the institution on which she must draw to keep going.

Spartanly yours,

It has to do with minority relations. I can't get into it here. Sorry.

She is doing an OK job on most things, but she lacks a little seasoning, too. Her Spartan football fan is getting the best of her in this situation and it shows this lack of seasoning. That's all.

Edit: And of course she is popular... she has been with the MSU community for a long time. She's in over her head as the university president, though.

[Dr. Lansing]

Originally Posted by RPMadMSU

I totally disagree with you...let me guess you didn't start following MSU sports until last year and can't remember the Athletic department of 5 or so years ago...or you're a recent Michigan fan and you think their department is the norm.

I'm glad LAKS is a sports fan - that's great. But this is the job of the A.D.

[fishrose]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

This is embarrassing and nothing the university president should be meddling in. If you've got a gripe then leave it to the AD to handle. I swear the football program is dysfunctional. There are way too many cooks in the kitchen - from the president & board of trustees on down.

Jim Delaney has previously made it clear that the only people he has to answer to are the presidents of the Big Ten schools. Seeing as he snubbed Dantonio when he filed a complaint, there is no reason to send someone else Delaney doesn't give a **** about. The Big Ten Commissioner is appointed by the University presidents; his job security depends on keeping the presidents happy.

[bigwali]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

I'm glad LAKS is a sports fan - that's great. But this is the job of the A.D.

Not really, I'm sure Mr. Hollis will attend too. When you really want to drive home a point and ensure it receives the proper attention, then you send the head honcho.

Folks, the bottom line is the replay officials hide behind a screen in anonymity and make calls that only their bosses will review and then not comment on. If football players get called out for their penalties and the field officals are known, then why shouldn't the replay officials be visible too. Does the Big Ten announce who they are and what their credentials are? I think if they did, they would think twice before pulling the trigger on a play they know is not irrefutable.

[RPMadMSU]

I think that point is lost on Dr. Lansing.

[RPMadMSU]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

I'm glad LAKS is a sports fan - that's great. But this is the job of the A.D.

No, it's actually the Job of the university President, considering Delaney works for the Presidents, and not the AD's. Plus I'm sure Hollis has already voiced his opinion, he's the one that has to file the complaints of Dantonio in the first place.

[Gotham_Spartan]

Originally Posted by Giant Moose

It has to do with minority relations. I can't get into it here. Sorry.

She is doing an OK job on most things, but she lacks a little seasoning, too. Her Spartan football fan is getting the best of her in this situation and it shows this lack of seasoning. That's all.

Edit: And of course she is popular... she has been with the MSU community for a long time. She's in over her head as the university president, though.

If it's the CLS thing, I know only what I've read on line at the State News and msu.edu. It seems to be partly at least a he/she said-he/she said situation, which is an extraordinarily difficult type to resolve. I've got some other thoughts about the situation, but I'm way too distant and ignorant for them to be worth expressing.

My limited impression of her on the general issue of diversity or inclusiveness or whatever you want to call it is that she's very conscious and conscientous about it, but, as I've just written, my impression is based on limited information.

Spartanly yours,

[Bruce Banner Ad]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

This is embarrassing and nothing the university president should be meddling in. If you've got a gripe then leave it to the AD to handle. I swear the football program is dysfunctional. There are way too many cooks in the kitchen - from the president & board of trustees on down.

I'd agree if it were an isolated incident, even something as egregious as that fumble reversal. But it hasn't been isolated, it's been ongoing, and it's hurting the U in both prestige and money.

[Pablo Fanque]

[QUOTE=Gotham_Spartan;6288209]
Peter McPh. left her several very large messes (JLS was the least of them, although about the most public), she's had to cope with shifting politics on a board of trustees of very uneven quality, she's presently coping with perhaps the worst financial future prospects of any of the world's top 100 research universities ..[QUOTE]

I suspect you're not but in the event you are, how can you blame McPherson for "shifting politics" on the BOS? Those fine folks are elected by the citizens of this State. The President, whoever he/she may be, is stuck w/them and their political and/or personal agendas.