LAKS wants some answers from the BT on those crap replays

[Big Green Stick]

Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

So you blame the replay for losing and not the 500 yards the D gave up to the worst offense in the big ten?

MSU played like crap. If MSU doesn't get hosed on the replay then they are down 1 near midfield with a chance to score. I wouldn't have been surprised at all if MSU would have scored, left time on the clock and then Minnesota would have went right down the field to win.

But what does that really have to do with this specific issue of the replay officials? MSU outplayed UM last year and won and I am still mad as hell about the pylon call. This stuff is bad and something needs to be done about it. I'm very glad to Simon is trying to get some answers. You just can't turn a blind eye to this stuff.

[OPSpartan]

Originally Posted by Big Green Stick

MSU played like crap. If MSU doesn't get hosed on the replay then they are down 1 near midfield with a chance to score. I wouldn't have been surprised at all if MSU would have scored, left time on the clock and then Minnesota would have went right down the field to win.

But what does that really have to do with this specific issue of the replay officials? MSU outplayed UM last year and won and I am still mad as hell about the pylon call. This stuff is bad and something needs to be done about it. I'm very glad to Simon is trying to get some answers. You just can't turn a blind eye to this stuff.

Dpd is trolling tool. Don't look for a reasoned response.

[charliemarlow]

Originally Posted by OMBJ1

Well, after all this discussion, there will no longer be a meeting...

MSU president won't meet with replay rep after all | freep.com | Detroit Free Press

Obviously, he read this board and became terrified of the interrogation he would get.

[richwig]

Originally Posted by MSULordyoda

Way to skip over my post and Gotham's who found the link to the article I quoted. Turns out I was actually pretty damn close.

Go do some more damn research before you spout **** off. No one claimed the University gets most of its funding from the athletic department. But the University does make some nice coinage off of it.

I did do research. I quoted real dollar amounts from the Office of Planning and Budgets.

I asked someone who claimed that Athletics contributed the most revenue to MSU outside of tuition. Someone replied that he was "too lazy" (his words) to look it up, but it must be true. So I looked it up, posted the most recent numbers, which show that contracts and grants are next after tuition and fees.

You pointed to an article that claims to demonstrate that MSU makes lots of "coinage" off Athletics. Did you read the very article you linked to? It talks about Athletics running losses year after year, how Hollis inherited a structural deficit despite new revenues from the Big 10 Network.

And you have the temerity to take me to task for not doing research! Cite some real numbers from a trustworthy source, and quote dollar amounts, not vague terms like "coinage".

You just have a fixed notion in your head that Athletics contributes significant revenue to the university, but you can't cite dollar figures. Here,
from the very article you linked to:

July 13, 2008

Outside the bottom lines

First year athletic director Mark Hollis has inherited a hefty task: Restoring profitability

Joe Rexrode
Lansing State Journal

EAST LANSING - A Michigan State University athletic department memo circulated in 2003 predicted annual shortfalls of $2 million unless scholarship seating - an extra charge on the best seats at Spartan Stadium - was instituted.

It was instituted. Luxury suites and club seats followed, private donations to the department have reached all-time highs, the Big Ten Network and a radio deal with WJR in Detroit have been lucrative additions.

Yet MSU has not figured out a way to catch up with its spending.

The department lost $1.5 million during the 2007-08 budget year, which ended June 30. That was its fourth straight year in the red, with a total shortfall of $4.85 million.

If this budget were an athlete's body, it would not be in top form. It would need some wind sprints and calorie control, like many of its peers around the nation.

"It'd be time to go in for a check-up," said MSU first-year athletic director Mark Hollis, who is spending much of his time on this inherited dilemma. "The financial models of athletic departments are going to have to change. What that means exactly is an unknown - we're going to have to figure it out.

[xwing]

okay what the replay officials should do instead of what they are doing is ask the audience similar to the gameshow Who wants to be a Millionare?

Just get about 100 fans and have them vote in a poll and 9 times out of 10 they would probably get the call more right than these replay officials .

It is unbelievable how messed up these calls are getting. I was watching the Minnestoa game and I was 100% confident that the fumble call would stand and then the unthinkable happened.

It is almost like the games are all fixed.

[Ron Jeremy]

Originally Posted by xwing

okay what the replay officials should do instead of what they are doing is ask the audience similar to the gameshow Who wants to be a Millionare?

Just get about 100 fans and have them vote in a poll and 9 times out of 10 they would probably get the call more right than these replay officials .

It is unbelievable how messed up these calls are getting. I was watching the Minnestoa game and I was 100% confident that the fumble call would stand and then the unthinkable happened.

It is almost like the games are all fixed.

Well put. Sad thing is most of us see the play the first time whether live or on TV, and know the right call, yet those jackasses can't get it right after looking at it 20 times in slo-mo.

Replay has been a horrendous failure.

[SpartanBrizz]

Originally Posted by Pablo Fanque

I will say this for Mary Sue Coleman. She must've been on Extreme Makeover because she definitely looks more "attractive" these days.

Before:


After:

It's called a wig.

[Green Forever]

So Bill Carollo "conveniently" will not be coming to MSU for a previously-scheduled visit after one of the most horrendous weekend performances ever for Big Ten officials (most notably, replay officials). Carollo is ducking the heat, period. What a tool.

[Pablo Fanque]

Originally Posted by Green Forever

So Bill Carollo "conveniently" will not be coming to MSU for a previously-scheduled visit after one of the most horrendous weekend performances ever for Big Ten officials (most notably, replay officials). Carollo is ducking the heat, period. What a tool.

That's how it would appear, yes. Bastage.

[MSULordyoda]

Originally Posted by richwig

I did do research. I quoted real dollar amounts from the Office of Planning and Budgets.

I asked someone who claimed that Athletics contributed the most revenue to MSU outside of tuition. Someone replied that he was "too lazy" (his words) to look it up, but it must be true. So I looked it up, posted the most recent numbers, which show that contracts and grants are next after tuition and fees.

You pointed to an article that claims to demonstrate that MSU makes lots of "coinage" off Athletics. Did you read the very article you linked to? It talks about Athletics running losses year after year, how Hollis inherited a structural deficit despite new revenues from the Big 10 Network.

And you have the temerity to take me to task for not doing research! Cite some real numbers from a trustworthy source, and quote dollar amounts, not vague terms like "coinage".

You just have a fixed notion in your head that Athletics contributes significant revenue to the university, but you can't cite dollar figures. Here,
from the very article you linked to:

Again, you fail to understand, the athletic budget is SEPARATE from the UNIVERSITY budget. Read it carefully. The UNIVERSITY gets the parking and concessions revenue from all athletic events. (i.e. a revenue source for the University, not the athletic department.) The University gets 1% off the top for all ticket revenue. So yes, the University general fund receives a fair amount of money from the athletic department. The athletic department is also responsible for the money that the scholarship athletes use.

And if you look further into the series that Rexrode did, you'd find that if the athletic department runs a short fall, they have to figure out how to make it up. The University budget doesn't come bail them out.

So again, how am I wrong regardless of the fact that the Athletic Budget has run deficits? We're talking two separate pots of money.

[Giant Moose]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

Never underestimate the far reaching powers of a Giant Moose

I'm in Lou Anna's head.

God, I'm starting to sound like Tanfan.

[One Eyed Jack]

I still think the fact that LKS WANTED to meet with Delaney will carry some weight. Sometimes the threat is all that is needed for things to change with the officials.

[75alum]

Originally Posted by Giant Moose

It has to do with minority relations. I can't get into it here. Sorry.

She is doing an OK job on most things, but she lacks a little seasoning, too. Her Spartan football fan is getting the best of her in this situation and it shows this lack of seasoning. That's all.

Edit: And of course she is popular... she has been with the MSU community for a long time. She's in over her head as the university president, though.

Originally Posted by Giant Moose

Not impaired, just not helped nationally. I don't care if it's a man or woman, but I knew that would come up. Since MSU likes to compare itself to Michigan so much, I think Mary Sue Coleman brings much more to the table at U-M than Simon brings to MSU.

And you call out minority relations in an earlier thread then say Coleman is better than Simon???? Yeah, OK Moose. You need to find a thread where you might make some sense. This one isn't it.

[richwig]

Originally Posted by MSULordyoda

Again, you fail to understand, the athletic budget is SEPARATE from the UNIVERSITY budget. Read it carefully. The UNIVERSITY gets the parking and concessions revenue from all athletic events. (i.e. a revenue source for the University, not the athletic department.) The University gets 1% off the top for all ticket revenue. So yes, the University general fund receives a fair amount of money from the athletic department. The athletic department is also responsible for the money that the scholarship athletes use.

And if you look further into the series that Rexrode did, you'd find that if the athletic department runs a short fall, they have to figure out how to make it up. The University budget doesn't come bail them out.

So again, how am I wrong regardless of the fact that the Athletic Budget has run deficits? We're talking two separate pots of money.

I understand perfectly well. The claim was made that the president of the university should be involved in the dispute over bad officiating because Athletics was the 2d largest source of revenue for the univeristy other than tuition. I posted facts from the university budget office with dollar amounts showing that contracts and grants are number 2.

If Athletics is running deficits, and if as you claim its budget is entirely separate from the general fund, then it is impossible that Athletics is a major source of revenue for the university.

If you think parking, concessions, and 1% of ticket sales constitute a major source of revenue for the university general fund, please cite dollar amounts.

MSU is a billion dollar a year enterprise. Athletics simply does not contribute a significant portion of general fund revenue, if at all.

For the 2008-2009 school year, MSU's sources of general fund revenue were:

Tuition and Fees: 553M
Appropriations: 299M
Indirect Cost Recovery: 42M
Investment Income: 35M
Other: 11M

Source: http://dev.opb.msu.edu/msuinfo/documents/dataDigest.pdf

Show me dollar amounts and a trusted source demonstrating that Athletics contributes significant revenue for the general fund for this billion dollar enterprise.