Missed calls in the um game

[Bruce Banner Ad]

I was watching it on replay after our game was over, and before their very last play, a player is very clearly trying to signal timeout when they didn't have any. He was making the signal above his head, trying to get a ref's attention. Why was no penalty called?

There was also the phantom punt interference call, and the endless replay on the out-of-bounds forward lateral. It was almost as if the replay official was saying, "Can we get away with this if I give it to um?"

[Gob_Bluth]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

I was watching it on replay after our game was over, and before their very last play, a player is very clearly trying to signal timeout when they didn't have any. He was making the signal above his head, trying to get a ref's attention. Why was no penalty called?

There was also the phantom punt interference call, and the endless replay on the out-of-bounds forward lateral. It was almost as if the replay official was saying, "Can we get away with this if I give it to um?"

[TheGhettoHeisman]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

I was watching it on replay after our game was over, and before their very last play, a player is very clearly trying to signal timeout when they didn't have any. He was making the signal above his head, trying to get a ref's attention. Why was no penalty called?

There's no penalty for that. The refs just don't acknowledge the request.

[sparksky]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

I was watching it on replay after our game was over, and before their very last play, a player is very clearly trying to signal timeout when they didn't have any. He was making the signal above his head, trying to get a ref's attention. Why was no penalty called?

This may be my ignorance, but I didn't think that was technically a penalty in football? I was under the impression that, while stupid, it was not illegal.

[hyeguy]

Originally Posted by sparksky

This may be my ignorance, but I didn't think that was technically a penalty in football? I was under the impression that, while stupid, it was not illegal.

i think if the ref were to blow his whistle and then find out that they didnt have any, it would be a delay of game

[Bruce Banner Ad]

Guess I was confusing sports. I would've thought it illegal.

[sparksky]

Originally Posted by hyeguy

i think if the ref were to blow his whistle and then find out that they didnt have any, it would be a delay of game

b. When a team’s charged timeouts are exhausted and it requests a timeout,
the official shall not acknowledge the request. (Rule 3-3-4).

I don't see anything about an official's whistle w/o timeouts making it technically delay. I guess it would be, but I don't see anything specific in the rules. It does mention that it would be illegal delay if "[...]a team has expended its three timeouts and commits a Rule 1-4-4,
1-4-5, 1-4-6-b, 3-3-4-e or 9-2-2-d infraction."

3-3-4-e is obviously the relevant part, but I can't find specifically what 3-3-4-e involves. It appears as though it's the team hanging around too long coming out of a time-out.

[hyeguy]

Originally Posted by sparksky

b. When a team’s charged timeouts are exhausted and it requests a timeout,
the official shall not acknowledge the request. (Rule 3-3-4).

I don't see anything about an official's whistle w/o timeouts making it technically delay. I guess it would be, but I don't see anything specific in the rules. It does mention that it would be illegal delay if "[...]a team has expended its three timeouts and commits a Rule 1-4-4,
1-4-5, 1-4-6-b, 3-3-4-e or 9-2-2-d infraction."

3-3-4-e is obviously the relevant part, but I can't find specifically what 3-3-4-e involves. It appears as though it's the team hanging around too long coming out of a time-out.

it was just kind of a guess on my part really, maybe i underestimate refs timeout-situation-remembering skills

[GaTechSpartan]

The Interference call was ridiculous. There were 3 players just standing there...all of a sudden a Michigan guy trips over himself so there's a flag haha.

[M J 5]

Originally Posted by GaTechSpartan

The Interference call was ridiculous. There were 3 players just standing there...all of a sudden a Michigan guy trips over himself so there's a flag haha.

You didn't see the 45 yard line throw a hand up and trip him? I seen it, apparently the 45 yardline was playing for Purdue.


****ing officials are a joke in the big 10, only guy worth a damn was the one doing the Penn State/ Ohio State game today, I like that guy still......

[mydogsparty]

Question regarding the punt interference call: Doesn't the punting team need to give the kick returner a certain amount of space (IE: ~2 yards) to catch the ball? If so, wonder if the call was a violation of the necessary space need to catch the ball without obstruction.

This raises another question however, in this case the punt was hanging up in the air and being blown back toward the punting team. This caused the returner to have to race up the field to catch the ball. Does the ~2 yard obstruction rule apply if the returner is running up the field to catch the ball.

The instant replay CLEARLY showed that the returner was never touched by the punting team. He tripped on his own and never made contact with a Purdue player. If the call was because the Purdue player caused the UM player to fall down then it was a terrible call and it would have been a joke if UM had come back to win that game.

[BrewSwillis]

Originally Posted by mydogsparty

Question regarding the punt interference call: Doesn't the punting team need to give the kick returner a certain amount of space (IE: ~2 yards) to catch the ball? If so, wonder if the call was a violation of the necessary space need to catch the ball without obstruction.

This raises another question however, in this case the punt was hanging up in the air and being blown back toward the punting team. This caused the returner to have to race up the field to catch the ball. Does the ~2 yard obstruction rule apply if the returner is running up the field to catch the ball.

The instant replay CLEARLY showed that the returner was never touched by the punting team. He tripped on his own and never made contact with a Purdue player. If the call was because the Purdue player caused the UM player to fall down then it was a terrible call and it would have been a joke if UM had come back to win that game.

That rule was know as the "Halo Rule", and it was eliminated some years back.

Under the halo rule, the kicking team was penalized if a player came within 2 yards of a returner before he caught the ball. The rule led to many borderline penalties and gave the returner a cushion as he tried to get away from the initial tackle.

This year, a returner must be given only an "unimpeded opportunity" to catch the ball, which is more in line with the NFL rule. The penalty for failing to do that or for contacting a player who has signaled for a fair catch will be 15 yards. Also, if a receiver muffs a ball on a fair catch he can't be hit until it touches the ground or is out of his reach.