MSU Bowl Scenarios

[Leave Cousins in!!]

Originally Posted by Garrett Rivas' Gut

I was going on the premise that they would want someone different. I cannot imagine they had that great of a turnout to warrant them returning.

My mistake, thought you had NU in the Alamo. I guess Alamo has 5th pick this year.

[Garrett Rivas' Gut]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

Can we all at least agree that um is fugged?

Oh hail ya, there is absolutely no way they win @ Wisco. And with tOSU playing for the B10 title? I highly doubt the Bucks let them destroy that

[Garrett Rivas' Gut]

Just beat Purdue!

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

Not to nitpick, but we could lose at purdue, beat PSU, and purdue beats IU. Then you have to add the boilers to the list.

illinois is doing a good perles impersonation, too.

Still a lot of football to be played. But um is definitely fugged.

Illinois still has to play at Cincinnati.

[JINMAN81]

Originally Posted by DeHannen

Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation.

Amen to that.

Let's see what happens next week (road game to Purdue) and the following week- close out at Spartan Stadium vs Penn State.

It's going to be rough and tough and I'm not making many judgments from today's game. Overall Team consistency has not been a strong suit this season.

[Brian1]

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner Ad

Can we all at least agree that um is fugged?

I'll have no problem with UM getting a bowl bid. If they win one of the next two they'll earn it.

CHances of UM winning 1 of the last 2 not too high.

[SpartyOnInChitown]

CBS Sportsline updated their projections. Only 1 Big Ten BCS team. Here's how they have it shaking out:

Rose- OSU
Cap 1- Iowa
Outback- PSU
Champs- MSU
Alamo- Wisconsin
Insight- NU
Pizza- Minnesota

I think they're falsely assuming the Alamo picks ahead of the Champs Bowl this year because the Champs Bowl would not be able to pick us ahead of a Wisky team that finished with 2 or more overall victories.

[BtothejizA]

I can see Illinois beating Cinci.

[SpartyJim42]

Freep is reporting Hollis is campaigning for the George Bowl , due to a likely sell out and lower travel costs than the Insight Bowl.

Wow! First Montana State followed by 2 regular season match-ups with the mighty MAC.

Can things really have digressed so much to have to campaign to play in Detroit in December???

I hope we win out and get to travel. Damn the costs.

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Originally Posted by SpartyJim42

Freep is reporting Hollis is campaigning for the George Bowl , due to a likely sell out and lower travel costs than the Insight Bowl.

Wow! first Montana State and 2 regular season match-ups with the mighty MAC.

Can things really have digressed so much to have to campaign to play in Detroit in December???

I hope we win out and get to travel. Damn the costs.

I'm calling more freep BS. Hollis would never give up a shot at a better bowl.

[pulling69]

Originally Posted by SpartyJim42

Freep is reporting Hollis is campaigning for the George Bowl , due to a likely sell out and lower travel costs than the Insight Bowl.

Wow! First Montana State followed by 2 regular season match-ups with the mighty MAC.

Can things really have digressed so much to have to campaign to play in Detroit in December???

I hope we win out and get to travel. Damn the costs.

1. You read the Freep?
2. Link

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by PensySpartan

As I recall, the 2 win rule has certain limitations. I'm not positive what they are, but I'd like to look at them.

Yeah, the 2 win rule doesn't matter if the conference sends two teams to the BCS.

Originally Posted by DeHannen

Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation.

Originally Posted by SpartyJim42

Freep is reporting Hollis is campaigning for the George Bowl , due to a likely sell out and lower travel costs than the Insight Bowl.

Wow! First Montana State followed by 2 regular season match-ups with the mighty MAC.

Can things really have digressed so much to have to campaign to play in Detroit in December???

I hope we win out and get to travel. Damn the costs.

Originally Posted by pulling69

1. You read the Freep?
2. Link

Sadly, I do.

U-M and MSU: Dreaming of Detroit | freep.com | Detroit Free Press

As reported by Drew Sharp

Michigan State officials already are privately campaigning for the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl over the Insight Bowl in Phoenix because it could make more money with reduced travel expenses. Of course there's the little matter of the Spartans winning two more games to reach the minimum of six wins for bowl eligibility.

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Originally Posted by MSURed

Yeah, the 2 win rule doesn't matter if the conference sends two teams to the BCS.







Sadly, I do.

U-M and MSU: Dreaming of Detroit | freep.com | Detroit Free Press

As reported by Drew Sharp

I still question this. I can't see Hollis or Dantonio turning down a better bowl. This has fingerprints all over it. Douche Sharp in his infinte wisdom also had this for the MSU/WMU prediction later in that article:

Western Michigan (plus-20 1/2 ) at Michigan State -- BREAKING NEWS ALERT! The Marquis de Sade concedes that even he cannot watch the Spartans after the past two weeks, calling it cruel and unusual punishment. Pick: Western Michigan.

[TX Sparty]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown

I question this. I can't see Hollis or Dantonio turning down a better bowl. This has fingerprints all over it.

If it came down to Insight or Pizza Pizza, I could see Hollis wanting to stay in Detroit. When you're dealing with the bottom bowls, is there really that much if a difference in prestige? It's not like they'll be turning down the Rose Bowl for the Insight.

The travel costs to go to Detroit will be a lot less, you can just about guarantee a sellout and the Pizza Pizza Bowl is on ESPN while the Insight is on NFL Network.

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Originally Posted by TX Sparty

If it came down to Insight or Pizza Pizza, I could see Hollis wanting to stay in Detroit. When you're dealing with the bottom bowls, is there really that much if a difference in prestige? It's not like they'll be turning down the Rose Bowl for the Insight.

The travel costs to go to Detroit will be a lot less, you can just about guarantee a sellout and the Pizza Pizza Bowl is on ESPN while the Insight is on NFL Network.

What if the Alamo comes into play? That bowl also looks like a possibility.

You ALWAYS want to play the best competition possible.

[TX Sparty]

Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown

What if the Alamo comes into play? That bowl also looks like a possibility.

You ALWAYS want to play the best competition possible.

I only think Hollis would take the Pizza Pizza Bowl over the Insight, and that's just an assumption. I have absolutely nothing to back it up.

If MSU makes the Alamo Bowl or better, I have no doubt that Hollis and company wouldn't turn it down.

[DantonIzzo]

Originally Posted by SpartyJim42

Freep is reporting Hollis is campaigning for the George Bowl , due to a likely sell out and lower travel costs than the Insight Bowl.

Wow! First Montana State followed by 2 regular season match-ups with the mighty MAC.

Can things really have digressed so much to have to campaign to play in Detroit in December???

I hope we win out and get to travel. Damn the costs.

That's complete and utter bull****.

I'd like to see where they're getting their information.

[LanCity]

its easy to say that msu is privately lobbying for that because there is nobody who would ever verify it... and he wouldn't ever have to disclose his sources (not that they exist)

telling a bunch of local kids that they can look forward to staying home in december rather than take a nice trip to a warmer climate in the middle of winter break... yeah that does nothing to help the program, recruiting, or the fan base.

[MSURed]

Originally Posted by TX Sparty

I only think Hollis would take the Pizza Pizza Bowl over the Insight, and that's just an assumption. I have absolutely nothing to back it up.

If MSU makes the Alamo Bowl or better, I have no doubt that Hollis and company wouldn't turn it down.

You can't turn down a bid to a conference-affiliated bowl. They may be trying to make it so those bowls don't offer. Since the amount of money MSU receives doesn't change regardless of bowl because of conference sharing, and our expenses go way down (travel costs, and if we didn't sell out our allotment at the other bowl we'd have to buy those tickets), the Pizza Bowl would help our bottom line.

[ilang]

Also, instead of just Hollis, what about lobbying the other way? I bet George would love to get MSU, and might talk to the Alamo, etc. about that

[PennSpartan]

Here we go again. Talking about going to a bowl before the end of the season, before we are even over .500. Somebody cue up the "cart before horse" photo.

[kubrickfan]

First, MSU needs to win one more before they can worry about what bowl they might go to.

As far bowls go while I understand wanting to save money and costs, I would make sure you get the players input. I understand the dangers of letting the players have too much power when making decisions (aka. the BW disaster) but if the players get a chance to play in a bowl other than the Pizza Bowl, then the university should try their best to make it happen. I think if there's a "choice" they should go to whatever bowl the team wants to go to and I highly doubt it is a bowl game in Detroit.

[GaTechSpartan]

Originally Posted by kubrickfan

First, MSU needs to win one more before they can worry about what bowl they might go to.

As far bowls go while I understand wanting to save money and costs, I would make sure you get the players input. I understand the dangers of letting the players have too much power when making decisions (aka. the BW disaster) but if the players get a chance to play in a bowl other than the Pizza Bowl, then the university should try their best to make it happen. I think if there's a "choice" they should go to whatever bowl the team wants to go to and I highly doubt it is a bowl game in Detroit.

The budget is a very important topic in the decision. Last year for the Cap One bowl, athletics made it a point that they would only use money FROM THE BOWL PAYOUT to finance the trip. I know they dove into the profits from football season for the Champs bowl. The band took a 24-hour bus ride to get there, instead of flying like the team. Saved a lot of cash.

The Insight bowl doesn't have nearly the payout that the Capital One Bowl does, and it would cost considerably more to travel there. There really isn't much of a recruiting advantage either - yea, maybe we'll snag a SoCal kid, but i don't think its worth it. The Insight doesn't have any more national significance either - it's broadcast on the NFL network We play in the LCPB, athletics stands to MAKE money, and continue to get a lot of exposure to recruits in SE Michigan.

I would love to see the team in the Insight (4 days of debauchery in Tempe?) but I can see an argument for staying in MI

[SpartyOnInChitown]

Originally Posted by GaTechSpartan

The budget is a very important topic in the decision. Last year for the Cap One bowl, athletics made it a point that they would only use money FROM THE BOWL PAYOUT to finance the trip. I know they dove into the profits from football season for the Champs bowl. The band took a 24-hour bus ride to get there, instead of flying like the team. Saved a lot of cash.

The Insight bowl doesn't have nearly the payout that the Capital One Bowl does, and it would cost considerably more to travel there. There really isn't much of a recruiting advantage either - yea, maybe we'll snag a SoCal kid, but i don't think its worth it. The Insight doesn't have any more national significance either - it's broadcast on the NFL network We play in the LCPB, athletics stands to MAKE money, and continue to get a lot of exposure to recruits in SE Michigan.

I would love to see the team in the Insight (4 days of debauchery in Tempe?) but I can see an argument for staying in MI

The problem is that this is a horrible precedent to set, especially when you consider that the Insight Bowl moves up in the pecking order and we're adding the Gator Bowl. Neither site is cheap to get to. Are we going to start lobbying bowls based on how cheap it is to get to the location regardless of how we perform on the field? That's completely unfair to the players that work their asses off. This is a very slippery slope.

It should also be mentioned that the Capital One Bowl covers hotel rooms for the team AND pays out the most out of the non-BCS bowls. I don't think any of the big Ten non-BCS bowls come close to that.

[DDRMSU]

Originally Posted by Garrett Rivas' Gut

Just beat Purdue!

This. Without this, it's all a moot point.
Now carry on.