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MSU Bowl Scenarios
Looks like MSU will be in a battle with 3 teams for bowl position.
Minnesota: Likely will finish at 6-6 (3-5)
MSU: Likely 6-6 (4-4) , could also finish 7-5 (5-3)
NU: 6-6 (3-5) or 7-5 (4-4).
Anyone know if the Alamo or Champs has the 5th selection? Also, if 7 teams are eligible for bowls in a conference with 7 bowl tie-ins, does a 7 win team still have to be selected before a 6 win team?
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Originally Posted by Leave Cousins in!!
Looks like MSU will be in a battle with 3 teams for bowl position.
Minnesota: Likely will finish at 6-6 (3-5)
MSU: Likely 6-6 (4-4) , could also finish 7-5 (5-3)
NU: 6-6 (3-5) or 7-5 (4-4).
Anyone know if the Alamo or Champs has the 5th selection? Also, if 7 teams are eligible for bowls in a conference with 7 bow tie-ins, does a 7 win team still have to be selected before a 6 win team? |
To your last point, the answer is no, the 7 win team does not.
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what's the full tie in this year?
1 - Rose OSU
2 - Cap 1 PSU
3 - Outback Iowa
4 - ? Wisky
5 - Alamo? NW
6 - Insight MSU
7 - Pizza Pizza Minny
Assuming OSU/PSU/Iowa/Wisky in the top 4 (and the only teams that really belong in a bowl game anyway...but that's another discussion), that leaves 3 bowls and 3 teams - so we're guaranteed one as long as we get one more win, correct? and if we do, we'll have the best conference record of those 3 too...so that would mean Insight in phx I would guess.
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11-07-2009, 08:29 PM
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Only site I could find so far that has numbered choices is College Football News, and that had Champs & the Alamo as "Big Ten No. 4 or 5." But as of last week, they had us in the Champs Sports vs. Clemson.
Currently looking for other outlets.
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11-07-2009, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SpartanBrizz
what's the full tie in this year?
1 - Rose OSU
2 - Cap 1 PSU
3 - Outback Iowa
4 - ? Wisky
5 - Alamo? NW
6 - Insight MSU
7 - Pizza Pizza Minny
Assuming OSU/PSU/Iowa/Wisky in the top 4 (and the only teams that really belong in a bowl game anyway...but that's another discussion), that leaves 3 bowls and 3 teams - so we're guaranteed one as long as we get one more win, correct? and if we do, we'll have the best conference record of those 3 too...so that would mean Insight in phx I would guess. |
MSU would either go to the Champs/Alamo, Insight, or Pizza if they win one more. I think MSU would be the better draw of the 3, so they would go to the Champs/Alamo 
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Originally Posted by Leave Cousins in!!
Looks like MSU will be in a battle with 3 teams for bowl position.
Minnesota: Likely will finish at 6-6 (3-5)
MSU: Likely 6-6 (4-4) , could also finish 7-5 (5-3)
NU: 6-6 (3-5) or 7-5 (4-4).
Anyone know if the Alamo or Champs has the 5th selection? Also, if 7 teams are eligible for bowls in a conference with 7 bowl tie-ins, does a 7 win team still have to be selected before a 6 win team? |
If Minny finishes 6-6, 3-5 we will get picked ahead of them especially if it's the Insight Bowl picking. Minny has been there 2 of the past 3 years already.
I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell of the Champs Bowl picking us to go to Orlando for the 3rd consecutive year. I would bet on NU getting that bowl game right now.
I think 6-6 or better will net us the Alamo Bowl. I know, I know- we didn't send many fans there last time, but nobody really does apart from the legions of traveling Iowa fans and Minnesota has a horrible reputation for traveling to bowls- probably the worst in the Big Ten.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leave Cousins in!!
Looks like MSU will be in a battle with 3 teams for bowl position.
Minnesota: Likely will finish at 6-6 (3-5)
MSU: Likely 6-6 (4-4) , could also finish 7-5 (5-3)
NU: 6-6 (3-5) or 7-5 (4-4).
Anyone know if the Alamo or Champs has the 5th selection? Also, if 7 teams are eligible for bowls in a conference with 7 bow tie-ins, does a 7 win team still have to be selected before a 6 win team? |
Champs has the 4th, Alamo the 5th. The 7-win criteria only applies to at-large selections (i.e. if Big Ten slots are empty and they have their choice of Conference USA teams).
After today, this is how I see it:
1. Rose - OSU
2. Capital One - Iowa
3. Outback - PSU
4. Champs - Wisconsin
5. Alamo - MSU
6. Insight - NU
7. LCPB - Minnesota
Of course, if Michigan upsets Wisconsin, they jump us (they have more alumni that can shelve out thousands), we go to Insight. If we beat PSU, end up 7-5, I think PSU and Wisconsin switch.
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11-07-2009, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SpartanBrizz
what's the full tie in this year?
1 - Rose OSU
2 - Cap 1 PSU
3 - Outback Iowa
4 - ? Wisky
5 - Alamo? NW
6 - Insight MSU
7 - Pizza Pizza Minny
Assuming OSU/PSU/Iowa/Wisky in the top 4 (and the only teams that really belong in a bowl game anyway...but that's another discussion), that leaves 3 bowls and 3 teams - so we're guaranteed one as long as we get one more win, correct? and if we do, we'll have the best conference record of those 3 too...so that would mean Insight in phx I would guess. |
At least part of where MSU ends up is what happens with the BCS rankings of Iowa, OSU, and PSU. As of last week, most were projecting 2 B10 teams into the BCS mostly due to a lack of other possibilities not titled TCU or BSU. If OSU and Iowa remain relatively high they could both still be selected, though I would imagine that scenario got rather unlikely tonight. It all depends on the 7-16 rankings of the BCS quite frankly.
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11-07-2009, 08:35 PM
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At least part of where MSU ends up is what happens with the BCS rankings of Iowa, OSU, and PSU. As of last week, most were projecting 2 B10 teams into the BCS mostly due to a lack of other possibilities not titled TCU or BSU. If OSU and Iowa remain relatively high they could both still be selected, though I would imagine that scenario got rather unlikely tonight. It all depends on the 7-16 rankings of the BCS quite frankly. |
With Iowa's loss, i'm guessing that the loser of Iowa/OSU next week would also be eliminated from BCS contention.
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Champs has the 4th, Alamo the 5th. The 7-win criteria only applies to at-large selections (i.e. if Big Ten slots are empty and they have their choice of Conference USA teams).
After today, this is how I see it:
1. Rose - OSU
2. Capital One - Iowa
3. Outback - PSU
4. Champs - Wisconsin
5. Alamo - MSU
6. Insight - NU
7. LCPB - Minnesota
Of course, if Michigan upsets Wisconsin, they jump us (they have more alumni that can shelve out thousands), we go to Insight. If we beat PSU, end up 7-5, I think PSU and Wisconsin switch. |
I would take that in a heartbeat. Oklahoma/ or a Nebraska would be a great matchup
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Originally Posted by GaTechSpartan
Champs has the 4th, Alamo the 5th. The 7-win criteria only applies to at-large selections (i.e. if Big Ten slots are empty and they have their choice of Conference USA teams).
After today, this is how I see it:
1. Rose - OSU
2. Capital One - Iowa
3. Outback - PSU
4. Champs - Wisconsin
5. Alamo - MSU
6. Insight - NU
7. LCPB - Minnesota
Of course, if Michigan upsets Wisconsin, they jump us (they have more alumni that can shelve out thousands), we go to Insight. If we beat PSU, end up 7-5, I think PSU and Wisconsin switch. |
If the Big Ten only got one BCS team, the Champs Bowl would be pissed to get Wisky again. They might be obligated to take them too because of the 2 win rule in the bowl contract. I think Wisky fans are tired of Orlando. They didn't send many last year.
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I just hope we get any bowl above Pizza and a proper opponent that makes for a decent game. something like Kentucky or Texas A & M or Tech...i.e. another 6-6/7-5 team instead of facing a team w/ 2 or 3 more wins than us like the last couple of years.
This is the biggest reason to root for OSU to win out...that ensures 2 losses for everyone atop the B11 and only 1 BCS team for a change...which means our bowl matchups conference wide will be more appropriate, and 1-6 won't happen again. For all the whining about games being in the south, it's really been the skewed matchups because of undeserved BCS bids.
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If the Big Ten only got one BCS team, the Champs Bowl would be pissed to get Wisky again. They might be obligated to take them too because of the 2 win rule in the bowl contract. I think Wisky fans are tired of Orlando. They didn't send many last year.
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As I recall, the 2 win rule has certain limitations. I'm not positive what they are, but I'd like to look at them.
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With Iowa's loss, i'm guessing that the loser of Iowa/OSU next week would also be eliminated from BCS contention.
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Maybe. BCS bowls would take a 10-2 Iowa team in a heartbeat if eligible. There also isn't a wealth of appealing teams right now.
These are probably the locked up spots:
SEC- 2 teams for sure
Big 12- 1 team (probably Texas)
Big East- 1 team (probbaly Cincinnati)
Big Ten- 1 team (take your pick)
Pac-10- 1 team
ACC- 1 team
non-AQ- 1 team (TCU/BSU)
That leaves 2 more spots available. Navy eliminated the ND factor today, so that would like leave 2 to be selected of these 3: Pac-10 runner-up, BSU/TCU or Big Ten runner-up.
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Originally Posted by SpartyOnInChitown
Maybe. BCS bowls would take a 10-2 Iowa team in a heartbeat if eligible. There also isn't a wealth of appealing teams right now.
These are probably the locked up spots:
SEC- 2 teams for sure
Big 12- 1 team (probably Texas)
Big East- 1 team (probbaly Cincinnati)
Big Ten- 1 team (take your pick)
Pac-10- 1 team
ACC- 1 team
non-AQ- 1 team (TCU/BSU)
That leaves 2 more spots available. Navy eliminated the ND factor today, so that would like leave 2 to be selected of these 3: Pac-10 runner-up, BSU/TCU or Big Ten runner-up.
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Don't count out a 2nd Big East team; depending on how the rankings work out they might almost be locked into being selected (if a B10 or Pac10 runner up is outside the top whatever # the cutoff is).
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Maybe. BCS bowls would take a 10-2 Iowa team in a heartbeat if eligible. There also isn't a wealth of appealing teams right now.
These are probably the locked up spots:
SEC- 2 teams for sure
Big 12- 1 team (probably Texas)
Big East- 1 team (probbaly Cincinnati)
Big Ten- 1 team (take your pick)
Pac-10- 1 team
ACC- 1 team
non-AQ- 1 team (TCU/BSU)
That leaves 2 more spots available. Navy eliminated the ND factor today, so that would like leave 2 to be selected of these 3: Pac-10 runner-up, BSU/TCU or Big Ten runner-up.
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True,
but if OSU loses, they would surely be out, and depending on how far Penn State falls after losing today, it'll be tough for them to climb very high with only a few games left.
If Iowa loses, well... we'll see how far they fall after today's loss. I doubt they're still averaging their number 2 ranking in the computers, and considering that was propping them up, a second loss would probably bury them too.
Pitt (#13) closes with ND, WVU, and Cincy, could easily be a 2nd Big East team (Cincy), if Pitt wins out
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Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation.
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Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation. |
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Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation. |
because it's fun. why don't you go put some poop in your mouth debbie downer!
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Dammit LCS!! 
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Assuming that the BCS only takes 1 B10 school, and that MSU splits their last 2 games 
Rose- Ohio State
Cap 1- Iowa
Outback- Penn State
Alamo- Wiscy
Champs- Northwestern
Insight- MSU
Pizza- Minny
No Bowl
scUM 
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois
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Personally, I do not know why you guys start these threads. MSU has a very good chance of losing their next two games. Why don't you wait until after MSU is bowl eligible before starting the speculation. |
Can we all at least agree that um is fugged?
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Assuming that the BCS only takes 1 B10 school, and that MSU splits their last 2 games
Rose- Ohio State
Cap 1- Iowa
Outback- Penn State
Alamo- Wiscy
Champs- Northwestern
Insight- MSU
Pizza- Minny
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does the Alamo Bowl want NU back again? How did they draw last year?
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does the Alamo Bowl want NU back again? How did they draw last year?
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I was going on the premise that they would want someone different. I cannot imagine they had that great of a turnout to warrant them returning.
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Originally Posted by Garrett Rivas' Gut
Assuming that the BCS only takes 1 B10 school, and that MSU splits their last 2 games
Rose- Ohio State
Cap 1- Iowa
Outback- Penn State
Alamo- Wiscy
Champs- Northwestern
Insight- MSU
Pizza- Minny
No Bowl
scUM
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Not to nitpick, but we could lose at purdue, beat PSU, and purdue beats IU. Then you have to add the boilers to the list.
illinois is doing a good perles impersonation, too.
Still a lot of football to be played. But um is definitely fugged.
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