Could We Still Miss A Bowl Possibly

[ancientspartan]

Originally Posted by Styles G Shmooth

I'm not sure Pizza Pizza would take a 9th place 2-6 finish U-M over MSU. Either team is a sellout, so they probably take the better team that won head to head. MSU-Central rematch would be huge around the state too.

Yeah, but if Walmart bought a tie-in ad campaign for the pizza pizza bowl, that would make scUM a lock, right?

[A. Allen]

Originally Posted by TeamCaptainJohn

if we dont qualify from a b10 bowl, we will get an at large bid from a conference that doesnt fill all its spots

This.

[Vince of 231]

Originally Posted by ancientspartan

OK....so a key element is clearly the # of 7 and 5 or better teams at the end of the year....is there a web site that ranks all BCS teams in terms of wins/losses other than by conference? Would be nice to look at such a listing to see what the chances are of a 6 and 6 team being left out.

Edit: Just did a manual count using conference standing and Navy and N.D. as independents and I found 74 teams that could possibly end up at 7 and 5....of course, I didn't scrutinize the remaining schedules to see if any of the teams play each other ....I counted all teams with 5 and 5 records or better...and could have made a mistake or two. If I remember correctly, there are 34 bowl games and that equates to 68 teams.....so, looks to me like it would be wise for MSU to beat PSU and not rely on tOSU beating scUM to assure a bowl bid from the Big Ten tie-ins. Any one else look into an analysis of this?

Just like last year, the SCum game should be over before our game vs. PSU kicks off. We as fans will know if we need another win for an invitation guarantee or not.

And like MD said last year at this time, "Go Bucks!"

[ping1050]

Wouldn't we be taken over a 6-6 minnesota?? (assuming that miss loses vs iowa)

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

They will pick 2 this year if both are undefeated.

A few seats sold means nothing to them compared to having to spend a year in congressional hearings about why they passed on a Top 5 Team

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

The BCS will pick both BSU and TCU if they are undefeated.

If they don't pick them both and they are both Top 5 in the BCS, Congess will be all over their asses for anti-trust and shutting lesser conferences out of BCS Bowl money and thus in need of regulation.

The bowls are less worried about selling a few seats than they are of ending up in front of Congress

Which means this is a Total fail

NEWSFLASH: the people that run the bowls and make the selections are not the same people who run the BCS. Sure, the middies might cry foul if BSU or TCU gets left out, but the Bowl organizers don't give a ****. The personnel from the Big 6 conference universities who run the BCS might get in hot water, but they have no say whatsoever over who the Bowl people want in their venue. One of the middies goes for sure (as there's no way they both fall below the threshold at which at least one of them must be selected), but there's no way in hell that any of the BCS bowls will pick the other mid-major over a Penn State or Iowa.

[mears]

Can there be a B10 rematch in the Little Caesars Bowl or must the opponents be from different conferences?

[PRStoetzer]

Originally Posted by mears

Can there be a B10 rematch in the Little Caesars Bowl or must the opponents be from different conferences?

The MAC will easily fill it's spot, so it's not possible.

[Venice Spartan]

Originally Posted by Stats

NEWSFLASH: the people that run the bowls and make the selections are not the same people who run the BCS. Sure, the middies might cry foul if BSU or TCU gets left out, but the Bowl organizers don't give a ****. The personnel from the Big 6 conference universities who run the BCS might get in hot water, but they have no say whatsoever over who the Bowl people want in their venue. One of the middies goes for sure (as there's no way they both fall below the threshold at which at least one of them must be selected), but there's no way in hell that any of the BCS bowls will pick the other mid-major over a Penn State or Iowa.

NEWSFLASH: If they (the BCS) want to avoid a year of Congressional Hearings and possible anti-trust interventionist legislation they'll take #6 BSU over a #12 2nd Place team. Now that USC is done the Big 10 will likely get a 2nd team as will the SEC

NEWSFLASH: Both ESPN and CBS are projecting both TCU and BSU as BCS teams

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

If they (the BCS) want to avoid a year of Congressional Hearings and possible anti-trust interventionist legislation they'll take #6 BSU over a #12 2nd Place team. Now that USC is done the Big 10 will likely get a 2nd team as will the SEC

Again, the BCS (being the school administrators from the six BCS conferences that comprise the BCS committee) have absolutely no say in the matter whatsoever. The Bowl organizers will do whatever serves there bowls best, and that means no chance in hell BSU makes it in unless TCU loses. They don't give a **** about hearings that they'll have no part in. The bowls are completely separate entities from the BCS. Playoff or not, they'll still be in business, whether the status quo remains, or whether they're steps on the path of a playoff, so hearings don't mean jack **** to them.

[Venice Spartan]

Originally Posted by Stats

Again, the BCS (being the school administrators from the six BCS conferences that comprise the BCS committee) have absolutely no say in the matter whatsoever. The Bowl organizers will do whatever serves there bowls best, and that means no chance in hell BSU makes it in unless TCU loses. They don't give a **** about hearings that they'll have no part in. The bowls are completely separate entities from the BCS. Playoff or not, they'll still be in business, whether the status quo remains, or whether they're steps on the path of a playoff, so hearings don't mean jack **** to them.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ls/predictions
Will bump when you are wrong

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

Will bump when you are wrong

I'm not wrong. The people that run the BCS have no say in who the bowls select to participate in their events, period. This is indisputable fact. You sound like a Michigan basketball fan trying to argue something so completely asinine.

[Venice Spartan]

Originally Posted by Stats

I'm not wrong. The people that run the BCS have no say in who the bowls select to participate in their events, period. This is indisputable fact. You sound like a Michigan basketball fan trying to argue something so completely asinine.

That's it play the um card.

We shall see.

When I'm right should I play the you got a crappy MSU education card?

When Congress last held hearings who was on the hot seat, the BCS commissioners or the chairmen of the various bowls?

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Stats

NEWSFLASH: the people that run the bowls and make the selections are not the same people who run the BCS. Sure, the middies might cry foul if BSU or TCU gets left out, but the Bowl organizers don't give a ****. The personnel from the Big 6 conference universities who run the BCS might get in hot water, but they have no say whatsoever over who the Bowl people want in their venue. One of the middies goes for sure (as there's no way they both fall below the threshold at which at least one of them must be selected), but there's no way in hell that any of the BCS bowls will pick the other mid-major over a Penn State or Iowa.

This.

And anyone who thinks that Congress is going to pass a law about college football in this economy and during an election year is smoking something that they should share.

Christ all you have to do is look at the steroids hearings that they held to see what an effing joke it is - Palmerio flat out lied under oath and they didn't lay a glove on him.

[Jud Owns Digger]

Originally Posted by ping1050

Wouldn't we be taken over a 6-6 minnesota?? (assuming that miss loses vs iowa)

Yes. Even though they beat us head to head, we will finish higher than them in the Big Ten and they never send anyone to bowls. They might be the worst traveling team in the conference.

The Insight Bowl probably does not want Minnesota again but might get stuck with them.

[Venice Spartan]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

This.

And anyone who thinks that Congress is going to pass a law about college football in this economy and during an election year is smoking something that they should share.

Christ all you have to do is look at the steroids hearings that they held to see what an effing joke it is - Palmerio flat out lied under oath and they didn't lay a glove on him.

Fox is also projecting both BSU and TCU to likely get BCS games.



Not a lot of changes this weekend, but let's not get carried away with the Big East, as some folks are. There's little likelihood that a Big East runner-up will get a BCS at-large invitation. But who will? The number of quality candidates is shrinking, although Boise State continues to hang around.

BCS Championship Game: Florida/Alabama vs. Texas
Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. Pac-10 champion
Orange Bowl: TCU vs. Georgia Tech/Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Penn State vs. Boise State or Pac-10 team
Sugar Bowl: Florida/Alabama vs. Cincinnati

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1...-10-champ-will

So for those keeping score ESPN, CBS and Fox agree with me

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

Fox is also projecting both BSU and TCU to likely get BCS games.



Not a lot of changes this weekend, but let's not get carried away with the Big East, as some folks are. There's little likelihood that a Big East runner-up will get a BCS at-large invitation. But who will? The number of quality candidates is shrinking, although Boise State continues to hang around.
BCS Championship Game: Florida/Alabama vs. Texas
Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. Pac-10 champion
Orange Bowl: TCU vs. Georgia Tech/Clemson
Fiesta Bowl: Penn State vs. Boise State or Pac-10 team
Sugar Bowl: Florida/Alabama vs. Cincinnati

So for those keeping score ESPN, CBS and Fox agree with me

I don't care what they're projecting (and you can throw College Football News into your corner) but the bowls aren't in business to make small schools feel good about themselves. They'll take one because they changed their rules to say they would and TCU is damn fine football team but Boise State? Boise State that drew the SECOND LOWEST BCS TV ratings ever in their miracle OT win over a disinterested Oklahoma team? I think they'll pass.

[Jud Owns Digger]

I was kind of hoping that someone other than OSU would win the Big Ten and OSU would get an at-large bid and end up playing Cincinnati. That would have been interesting especially when you consider the "BUCkeye State" trashtalking Cincinnati fans have been dishing out.

[Stats]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

I don't care what they're projecting (and you can throw College Football News into your corner) but the bowls aren't in business to make small schools feel good about themselves. They'll take one because they changed their rules to say they would and TCU is damn fine football team but Boise State? Boise State that drew the SECOND LOWEST BCS TV ratings ever in their miracle OT win over a disinterested Oklahoma team? I think they'll pass.

Strangelove, you can't argue with Venice Spartan. It's going to happen because CBS & ESPN say it's going to happen and that's final. Don't bother trying to apply any sort of logic or reasoning to the argument.

[Jud Owns Digger]

Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove

I don't care what they're projecting (and you can throw College Football News into your corner) but the bowls aren't in business to make small schools feel good about themselves. They'll take one because they changed their rules to say they would and TCU is damn fine football team but Boise State? Boise State that drew the SECOND LOWEST BCS TV ratings ever in their miracle OT win over a disinterested Oklahoma team? I think they'll pass.

Let's break this down. Here are the auto bids:

Big Ten- Ohio State
Big 12- likely Texas
SEC- Alabama or Florida
Pac-10- likely Oregon
Big East- Cincinnati
ACC- likely Georgia Tech
non BCS conference qualifier- TCU

That's 7. The loser of 'Bama/Florida will get 1. That's 8. This leaves 2 bids available. Who is out there that is that attractive? If Pitt wins the Big East Cincinnati could be taken, but they are far from a big name and have something like 34,000 per game at their stadium. The Pac-10 is screwed, as is the ACC unless someone knocks off Georgia Tech in the ACC title game. Notre Dame obviously isn't an option. The Big Ten has Iowa or PSU. That's 9. One more bid. The Big 12 might have Oklahoma State, but they still have to play at Oklahoma. Then there's Boise State.

There just aren't that many options available for the BCS this year, hence an undefeated Boise State being projected to go to the BCS. It's not necessarily about Boise State. It's more about the lack of quality options this year.

[Stats]

One more item for mid-major BCS bowl consideration: if Cincinnati goes down, and the SEC title game loser will probably drop behind the undefeateds, we could have a scenario with #1 SEC champ, #2 Texas, #3 TCU, and #4 BSU. Any team in the top 4 of the BCS standings is guaranteed a spot in a BCS bowl, so both of the middies would, by rule, have to be selected.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Big Ten = Ohio State and one of the following: PSU, Iowa or Wisky
SEC = Florida/Alabama winner and either LSU or Florida/Alabama loser
Pac Ten = Oregon
Non BCS Qualifier = TCU
Big East = Pitt or Cincy (not both)
Big XII = Texas
ACC = Georgia Tech/Clemson winner

That leaves one slot left and the choices are going to be something like:

Boise State
Oklahoma State
Stanford/Southern Cal/Oregon State - one of these Pac Ten teams will be in the BCS Top 14. The question is which one.
Virginia Tech also has a shot at being in the Top 14.

I'd take Boise over Oregon State - otherwise I'd take a two or three loss at large team over them.

[PensySpartan]

Originally Posted by Venice Spartan

College Football Bowls - CBSSports.com
Will bump when you are wrong

Feel free to bump it when the poster is wrong, but please realize that just because TCU and Boise both go to BCS bowls does not mean he's wrong and you're right. Remember that only the top 14 in the BCS standings are eligible for at-large selection by the bowls. It's entirely possible that it works out that the top 14 only include 10 BCS-eligible teams (LSU will be ineligible, for instance, once Florida and Alabama are both selected... it's possible that the Big Ten gets OSU, PSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin all into the top 14, making 2 of them ineligible as well, etc.), forcing the bowls to take both BSU and TCU.

To me, it's clear that given the choice between Iowa or PSU (or even Wisconsin) and BSU/TCU, a BCS bowl will easily take the B10 team and not give it a second thought. The interesting argument is the choice between Cincy/Pitt loser and BSU/TCU. Neither of those teams have as much draw as the B10 schools do, so there might be more of a consideration given to BSU/TCU from a public relations standpoint.

[MattR644]

Here's what Wikipedia says about BCS selection rules:

A complicated set of rules is used to determine which teams compete in the BCS bowl games. Certain teams are given automatic berths depending on their BCS ranking and conference, as follows:

* The top two teams are given automatic berths in the BCS National Championship Game.

* The champion of a BCS conference (ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, and SEC) is guaranteed an automatic BCS bowl bid.

* The highest ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if:
o It is ranked in the top twelve, or
o Ranked in the top sixteen and higher than at least one BCS Conference champion.

* No more than one such team from Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference, the Mountain West Conference, the Sun Belt Conference, and the Western Athletic Conference shall earn an automatic berth in any year.

* A special case is made for independent Notre Dame, which receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight.

* No more than two teams from any one conference may receive berths in BCS games unless two non-champions from a BCS conference finish as the top two teams in the final BCS standings in which case they will meet in the National Title Game while their conference champion will play in their conference's BCS bowl game.

* The third-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, and if it is a member of a BCS Conference (and provided that its conference has not already earned two automatic berths), if there's room.

* If the third-ranked team did not require a berth using the previous provision, then the fourth-ranked team will receive an automatic berth if it has not already received one, and if it is a member of a BCS Conference (and provided that its conference has not already earned two automatic berths), if there's room.

After the automatic berths have been granted, the remaining berths, known as "at-large" berths, are filled from a pool of teams who are ranked in the top fourteen and have at least nine wins. The actual teams that are chosen for the at-large berths are determined by the individual bowl committees.

If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then an at-large team will be any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings, though any at-large team ranked in top 14 will be guaranteed a bid over at-large teams ranked lower than 14th. If fewer than 10 teams are eligible after expanding the at-large pool to 18 teams, then the at-large pool will continue to be expanded by four additional positions in the BCS Standings until 10 or more teams are eligible. No team ranked lower than 14 has used this rule to earn an at-large bid (though, several teams ranked lower than 14 have received a bid for winning their conference), as the rule was not in place in the early years of the BCS. Had it been in place since 1998, one team would have received a bid under the rule (#18 Syracuse in 2001).

[Bronco13]

ESPN predicts Notre Dame-CMU in GMAC. Man, that would be a sweet match-up and prime bowl entertainment viewing

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by Bronco13

ESPN predicts Notre Dame-CMU in GMAC. Man, that would be a sweet match-up and prime bowl entertainment viewing

Would Brian Kelly be coaching both teams?