The Big Ass Brian Kelly To Notre Dame Thread

SpartyHardy · 11-03-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Punk

Are you implying that if had a couple 9-4 years followed by a 10-2 year it would have been be a bad thing for MSU?

Perle$ won a Rose Bowl for MSU...the last one that MSU has been in. But look what he did afterward...and to...the alma mater that he has always professed to love so much. MSU paid one helluva price for that one year of glory...such that it was. Long term...was it ultimately worth it?

Vince of 231 · 11-03-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartanic

ND would have been the natural fit if Weiss had another bad season this year. ND is probably doing enough to keep Weiss, which takes them out of the BK sweepstakes.

Realistically, BK is one of the hottest names out there right now. These opportunities do not come by too often in life, especially for Coaches.

I expect some serious offers to be floating to BK soon, if not already.
One possibility is Illinois with Zook on the hot seat. That would be a questionable move and a rebuilding job, so it would have to be a serious $$ offer.
Another intriguing possibility in the BT would be Penn St. if JoePa decides to step down. Don't know if they have a successor lined up, but BK would definitely get a hard look if they open up a Search.

Once you go outside the BT,there are all kinds of possibilities and it could be a bidding war. Can't discount the possibility that Cinci will ante up and keep BK to rule the Big East.

Whoah. Zook supposedly recruited oodles of talent but coached them into Keystone Cops. Does Zook still have some good talent coming back next year that a decent game coach like Kelly could coach up to 9 wins or so? That would fit Kelly's past pattern.

fishrose · 11-03-2009, 01:22 PM

Notre Dame, at the end of next season.

SpartanGA · 11-03-2009, 01:25 PM

Georgia

Spartan Punk · 11-03-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartyHardy

Perle$ won a Rose Bowl for MSU...the last one that MSU has been in. But look what he did afterward...and to...the alma mater that he has always professed to love so much. MSU paid one helluva price for that one year of glory...such that it was. Long term...was it ultimately worth it?

Perles took over a horrible MSU team (in worse shape than with JLS) and took them to the Rose Bowl 5 years later and continued to have another 2-3 years of good teams after that. How is that the same as if Kelly was here for a few years and then left us?

D.Wags · 11-03-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Punk

Rogers and Saban never had 3 solid years of success.

I just feel that even if somehow we would have had Kelly as our coach and he great success for 3 years and left us, we would be in a great position to make another smart coaching decision to remain in the 9-10 win level.

I understand a lot of posters are worried about hiring another Saban, but it wasn't the Saban hiring that hurt us, it was 2 poor choices after that.

I will say this about Dantonio though, so far he had gotten this program on the right track and we are in a better spot than before he arrived. I jdon't know if he will continue to adance the program or not. But even if he doesn't and we remain a mid level Big Ten program, we will have more coaching candidates looking to come here than we did in our last hire. And that's a good thing as most coaches knew how much of a trainwreck MSU was a few years ago.

Kids being recruited are often inundated with negative recruiting. It's hard to recruit against the possibility of a coach jumping ship or constantly thinking about. While it might not be too hard to overcome, it doesn't help. Knowing you have a coach who is going to be there, has a solid character and loves the school he's at, doesn't hurt. I want a program that becomes a destiny program. Having a coach that is constantly looking around doesn't make it a destiny program, it makes it a stepping stone program. We need to be patient, and I don't know how much it hurt you when Saban left, but it bothered me a ton. I know there will be aton of revisionists here saying it didn't bother them, but it sucked theat he wanted to leave after the seson he had. Same with Rogers.

Vince of 231 · 11-03-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

What makes you think BK has "wandering eyes and happy feet"? His resume indicates otherwise. He took U-C to a BCS bowl last year and didn't leave, if he was going to leave quickly for $$$$ last year would've been the year to cash out on U-C..

To the contrary, MD's resume shows a lot more moving from school to school than BK's. Leaving MSU to go to OSU was a slap in MSU's face IMO.

You do know that MD left MSU after 6 years as secondary coach to become the DC at tOSU? And that he had previously served as Tressel's DC? And had spent 2 years as a Grad Asst. at tOSU under Earl Bruce?

Kelly went to from Div II to CMU and then on to Cinci. His name has continued to come up time and again for far reaching locations, none of which he has any previous history with. Some choose to operate that way, and that's fine. But as a Spartan, I've had more than my fill of those tactics. (See: Rogers, Perles, Saban.)

SpartyHardy · 11-03-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Punk

Rogers and Saban never had 3 solid years of success.

I just feel that even if somehow we would have had Kelly as our coach and he great success for 3 years and left us, we would be in a great position to make another smart coaching decision to remain in the 9-10 win level.

I understand a lot of posters are worried about hiring another Saban, but it wasn't the Saban hiring that hurt us, it was 2 poor choices after that.

I will say this about Dantonio though, so far he had gotten this program on the right track and we are in a better spot than before he arrived. I jdon't know if he will continue to adance the program or not. But even if he doesn't and we remain a mid level Big Ten program, we will have more coaching candidates looking to come here than we did in our last hire. And that's a good thing as most coaches knew how much of a trainwreck MSU was a few years ago.

Good post. The $$$aban hiring initially didn't hurt us...$$$aban hurt us in the end though because of his impatience to cash in on his one half season of success. Because he bolted...and the way that he bolted...and then his recommendation of BW after the fact...he was very much a part of the reason why BW was ultimately hired. JLS? No. That's all on Ron Mason. But BW....yes...$$$aban leaving the way he did ultimately contributed heavily to that fateful decision.

Spartanic · 11-03-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince of 231

Whoah. Zook supposedly recruited oodles of talent but coached them into Keystone Cops. Does Zook still have some good talent coming back next year that a decent game coach like Kelly could coach up to 9 wins or so? That would fit Kelly's past pattern.

True. Zook always has recruited well. More of a re-build from a psychological angle.

SpartyHardy · 11-03-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartan Punk

Perles took over a horrible MSU team (in worse shape than with JLS) and took them to the Rose Bowl 5 years later and continued to have another 2-3 years of good teams after that. How is that the same as if Kelly was here for a few years and then left us?

Didn't say it was the same...just that the Perle$ hire after his Rose Bowl year, ended up hurting MSU and put $$$$aban behind the 8 ball right from the start.

Let me just say one thing here SP. Should Brian Kelly ever become head coach at MSU, I will support him until he gives me reason(s) not to. Every football coach MSU has had since Duffy has ultimately let down MSU in one capacity or another. I fervently am hoping that

will not be yet another one added to that list.

Spartan Punk · 11-03-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince of 231

You do know that MD left MSU after 6 years as secondary coach to become the DC at tOSU? And that he had previously served as Tressel's DC? And had spent 2 years as a Grad Asst. at tOSU under Earl Bruce?

Kelly went to from Div II to CMU and then on to Cinci. His name has continued to come up time and again for far reaching locations, none of which he has any previous history with. Some choose to operate that way, and that's fine. But as a Spartan, I've had more than my fill of those tactics. (See: Rogers, Perles, Saban.)

After MD was a grad ass't at OSU, he then went to Akron, Youngstown St, Kansas, MSU, OSU, Cinci and back here. Each time he has moved up the ladder so to speak into either a better coaching job (moving from DB coach to DC) or to the same job at a better program. Is that any different than what BK has done?

And the reason Kelly's name comes up is because of how well he has done at his coaching stops and that he is doing it at places that are not considered destinations for coaches. It sounds like you're penalizing the guy for having surprising success at each stop.

I'm just curious as to why so many feel that Kelly would have used us as a stepping stone or am I overrating MSU as a place that should be considered a destination for coaches.

GRR Spartan · 11-03-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartanic

ND would have been the natural fit if Weiss had another bad season this year. ND is probably doing enough to keep Weiss, which takes them out of the BK sweepstakes.

Realistically, BK is one of the hottest names out there right now. These opportunities do not come by too often in life, especially for Coaches.

I expect some serious offers to be floating to BK soon, if not already.
One possibility is Illinois with Zook on the hot seat. That would be a questionable move and a rebuilding job, so it would have to be a serious $$ offer.
Another intriguing possibility in the BT would be Penn St. if JoePa decides to step down. Don't know if they have a successor lined up, but BK would definitely get a hard look if they open up a Search.

Once you go outside the BT,there are all kinds of possibilities and it could be a bidding war. Can't discount the possibility that Cinci will ante up and keep BK to rule the Big East.

If you think JoPa is going to step down and turn the job that he's held for 43 years over to a coach with no PSU ties you are dreaming.

MSU Mathguy · 11-03-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartyHardy

Perle$ won a Rose Bowl for MSU...the last one that MSU has been in. But look what he did afterward...and to...the alma mater that he has always professed to love so much. MSU paid one helluva price for that one year of glory...such that it was. Long term...was it ultimately worth it?

I'm not about to defend Perles or any other coach, but your claim that he did long term damage to MSU football is unfounded and groundless.

SGT_HULKA · 11-03-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Viggo_Martyr

I just hope Kelly doesnt go to a Big Ten school. He would haunt us forever and we wouldnt ever hear the end of it either.
If Illinois got him, he would turn that program around in no time. They are loaded with talent.

I honestly see Kelly being an NFL head coach within 5 to 6 yrs. Maybe he might even coach the Browns...

Imagine BK at scUM laying a 50 spot on Sparty every Fall. Effen priceless. Dudes like DWAGs and OP Dork would be crying crocodile tears in their Natty LIte and mumbling nonsense. In their green world, a "tough" 4-5 underachiever always trumps BCS appearances.

OPSpartan · 11-03-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SGT_HULKA

Imagine BK at scUM laying a 50 spot on Sparty every Fall. Effen priceless. Dudes like DWAGs and OP Dork would be crying crocodile tears in their Natty LIte and mumbling nonsense. In their green world, a "tough" 4-5 underachiever always trumps BCS appearances.

Just like richrod has done after dominating the big east huh? You pathetic pile of garbage, i know you just want bk closer so you don't have to make the long trip to cincinnati for your jelly doughnut.

Edit: I love the bk slurpers, openly rooting for MSU to lose and sucking off a coach that both UM and MSU passed over. You guys would make a great case study in cult of personalities.

OPSpartan · 11-03-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

Given MSU's history of poor hires, not sure this is saying too much. MSU also passed over Urban Meyer to hire JLS

Hi Donny!!!

Did they ban your other usernames??!?!? About time.

The Armchair Quarterback · 11-03-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

Given MSU's history of poor hires, not sure this is saying too much. MSU also passed over Urban Meyer to hire JLS

You mean we'd be working on our 3rd Glass Football right now

BtothejizA · 11-03-2009, 04:16 PM

Never. Hell.

SpartyHardy · 11-03-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MSU Mathguy

I'm not about to defend Perles or any other coach, but your claim that he did long term damage to MSU football is unfounded and groundless.

You have to be either kidding or just totally oblivious. MSU had to forfeit an entire season of wins because of him. They had schollies limited because of him. $$$$aban took over a program that was absolutely reeling and in a downward spiral and had to build it back up again because of him.

Wow...just...WOW.

atlspartan73 · 11-03-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpartanGA

Georgia

Do you really believe that or do you think it's just a lot of Dawg fans caught in the moment?

atlspartan73 · 11-03-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Duh Psyience Detective

We'll never know, although I'm pretty sure JLS wasn't the right hire

Here's to hindsight...

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TheGhettoHeisman · 11-03-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by D.Wags

I am soooooooooooooo Happy we didn't hire this guy. Good coach no doubt, but just think if he had a couple of 9-4 years at MSU followed by a 10-2. All of these threads would be asking "When do you think Brian Kelly will leave MSU". I think Izzo and the committee did an outstanding job disregarding those with wandering eyes and happy feet. MSU needed stability and to build a program one block at a time.

These threads make me happy.

Like you know if MD wouldn't jump on one of the elite jobs if they came calling.

Booyah · 11-03-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spartanic

ND would have been the natural fit if Weiss had another bad season this year. ND is probably doing enough to keep Weiss, which takes them out of the BK sweepstakes.

Realistically, BK is one of the hottest names out there right now. These opportunities do not come by too often in life, especially for Coaches.

I expect some serious offers to be floating to BK soon, if not already.
One possibility is Illinois with Zook on the hot seat. That would be a questionable move and a rebuilding job, so it would have to be a serious $$ offer.
Another intriguing possibility in the BT would be Penn St. if JoePa decides to step down. Don't know if they have a successor lined up, but BK would definitely get a hard look if they open up a Search.

Once you go outside the BT,there are all kinds of possibilities and it could be a bidding war. Can't discount the possibility that Cinci will ante up and keep BK to rule the Big East.

Good post. Louisville will open-up, but that seems like a lateral move.I think Penn State will go internally for their next coach. The timing just won't be right for MSU. Illinois seems like a strong possibility.

Blade Runner · 11-03-2009, 04:54 PM

If ND were smart they'd have dropped Weis and hired Kelly already.

The end of last season.

Booyah · 11-03-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwingenator

Unless BK has a pipeline for recruiting there is no way he sticks around past this season. He is obviously one of the best X and O coaches in the country and unless he is bringing in some great recruiting classes he is jumping ship now that Cinci is one of the hottest teams in the country. The school simply does not have the facilities to compete consistently with the top 50 schools in the country for recruits.

Nonsense.