I'd like to see the Wildcat this Saturday

[TheRedCedar]

Mind you, I'm not a fan of offenses that routinely run this formation, but for three or four plays I would like this run against PSU.

Keyshawn Martin is absolutely perfect for it. He's obviously quick and he was a former QB in high school. Set the PSU offense up for a couple Martin runs in the first half, and then late in the second bring him on again in a 3rd and short. Have him fake to Caper up the middle, run outside the left tackle, and hit a streaking Cunningham down the sidelines.

Two years ago against PSU, Martin underthrew the ball to Kellen Davis, who made a great catch down near the goal line. So PSU may expect it.

[Final Countdown]

Treadwell worked wonders on the offense on Saturday. I'm sure we'll see some more tricks this week.

[Flying Polack]

Martin wasn't on the team 2 years ago, and Kellen Davis wasn't on the team last year. So ....

PS - Love the idea of running the Wildcat on the opening drive, until we get into a 3rd and long situation.

[MSU '73]

Not so sure PSU is the team you want to run the wildcat against.

1. They are a good run defense overall, and have very good edge defense. Their outside LB's are as good as we will see this year.

2. They also run some wildcat and will be experienced in defending it.

Actually the perfect team to have run the wildcat against was Purdue. Their weakness was rush defense, especially on the edges and they do not run the wildcat themselves.

So, Treadwell runs the wildcat once with KMart, who gets 15+ and almost breaks it for a TD, then we don't see the formation the rest of the frickin game.

Personally, I am not a huge fan of the wildcat, but I do believe it would have absolutely torn Purdue up. They were the perfect opponent to run whatever complete wildcat offense we had practiced.

But, I guess the one play worked too well and Treadwell shelved it for the rest of the game.

Stupid.

[Barry Badrinath]

I was surprised it took 11 weeks before we ran it

[Dr. Lansing]

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

[Spartytruth]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

The wildcat evens everything out for the run. It's man vs man. If you can block it, it works.

Takes away the defensive advantage on a running play.

[JEK]

Not so sure PSU is the team you want to run the wildcat against.

1. They are a good run defense overall, and have very good edge defense. Their outside LB's are as good as we will see this year.

2. They also run some wildcat and will be experienced in defending it.

Can't know if it works if you don't try it.

And it can't be any less effective than running it up the gut out of the Power O on 1st and 10 for no gain. We're not going to line up with Penn St at the point of attack and cram it down their throats, so we need an added wrinkle like the wildcat to toss in there and mix things up. Nobody is suggesting running the wildcat 50% of the time, but we should toss it in there at least 4-6 times per game. We still need to establish the traditional ground game of course, but the idea is that will open up if we diversify the offense.

What we really need to do is keep running that end around with K Mart. The team's production off that play has been unbelievable.

[Nals]

Originally Posted by TheRedCedar

Mind you, I'm not a fan of offenses that routinely run this formation, but for three or four plays I would like this run against PSU.

Keyshawn Martin is absolutely perfect for it. He's obviously quick and he was a former QB in high school. Set the PSU offense up for a couple Martin runs in the first half, and then late in the second bring him on again in a 3rd and short. Have him fake to Caper up the middle, run outside the left tackle, and hit a streaking Cunningham down the sidelines.

Two years ago against PSU, Martin underthrew the ball to Kellen Davis, who made a great catch down near the goal line. So PSU may expect it.

Obligatory post:



We just need to find some way to get the ball in the hands of Keshawn Martin. Also, we need to just spread the ball everywhere. Playmakers at every position, to win against a big opponent you need to utilize all of them.

[Barry Badrinath]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

remember K-Mart played QB in high school.... and he has a TD pass this year as well

[Heaph]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

Except at ND where they throw it to a wide open Tight end for 6.

[Final Countdown]

Originally Posted by Barry Badrinath

remember K-Mart played QB in high school.... and he has a TD pass this year as well

But if he throws anything besides a TD.... HE'LL RUIN HIS INSANE QB RATING. NOOOOOOOOOO!

[JEK]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

Because if you get the proper blocking the wildcat will burn a loaded box 9 times out of 10. Of course that's easier said than done for a lot of teams.

[limelizard]

Originally Posted by TheRedCedar

Mind you, I'm not a fan of offenses that routinely run this formation, but for three or four plays I would like this run against PSU.

Keyshawn Martin is absolutely perfect for it. He's obviously quick and he was a former QB in high school. Set the PSU offense up for a couple Martin runs in the first half, and then late in the second bring him on again in a 3rd and short. Have him fake to Caper up the middle, run outside the left tackle, and hit a streaking Cunningham down the sidelines.

Two years ago against PSU, Martin underthrew the ball to Kellen Davis, who made a great catch down near the goal line. So PSU may expect it.

Two years ago Martin was a senior in high school. Ryan Allison threw that pass against Penn State two years ago.

[Barry Badrinath]

Originally Posted by Final Countdown

But if he throws anything besides a TD.... HE'LL RUIN HIS INSANE QB RATING. NOOOOOOOOOO!

I think we found our new redzone offense

[Nals]

Originally Posted by TheRedCedar

Two years ago against PSU, Martin underthrew the ball to Kellen Davis, who made a great catch down near the goal line. So PSU may expect it.

Regardless of what happened 2 years ago, their is enough film on Keshawn Martin to know that if he lines up in some strange spot (like Ted Ginn), you need to key on him. He won't be a complete player until he can catch the ball, but if he does that, he'll be playing on Sundays for a long time.

[Nals]

Also, The hook and ladder against Iowa that went to Blair White was supposed to go to Keshawn Martin, but he waved him off the field, and kept the big 3 (Cunningham, Dell, and White) in. Idk if you could see that TV, but I knew something was up from the stands.

[fishrose]

Originally Posted by MSU '73

So, Treadwell runs the wildcat once with KMart, who gets 15+ and almost breaks it for a TD, then we don't see the formation the rest of the frickin game.

Personally, I am not a huge fan of the wildcat, but I do believe it would have absolutely torn Purdue up. They were the perfect opponent to run whatever complete wildcat offense we had practiced.

But, I guess the one play worked too well and Treadwell shelved it for the rest of the game.

Stupid.

Or it was a trick play that worked well once but they'd see it coming a mile away the next time MSU lined up like that? Hey, we got a touchdown on the Hoyerooski, why don't they run that three or four times a game?

[MSU '73]

Originally Posted by fishrose

Or it was a trick play that worked well once but they'd see it coming a mile away the next time MSU lined up like that? Hey, we got a touchdown on the Hoyerooski, why don't they run that three or four times a game?

UH,

There are a variety of plays you use from the wildcat, son.

KMart can run "read option" to the other RB in the backfield.

He can run a true option also.

They can run a WR reverse off the formation

They can fake a run and have Martin throw passes.

Son, there is a whole progression of plays, and also some different formations (unbalanced line, for instance) that can be used off the wildcat formation.

Evidently you do not know much about it.

[JEK]

Exactly. The wildcat is not a "trick play," it's an offensive formation. Comparing it to the "Hoyerooski" is a little ridiculous.

[Flying Polack]

Originally Posted by MSU '73

So, Treadwell runs the wildcat once with KMart, who gets 15+ and almost breaks it for a TD, then we don't see the formation the rest of the frickin game.

Personally, I am not a huge fan of the wildcat, but I do believe it would have absolutely torn Purdue up. They were the perfect opponent to run whatever complete wildcat offense we had practiced.

But, I guess the one play worked too well and Treadwell shelved it for the rest of the game.

Stupid.

Before you criticize why don't you go back and look at the game log. I could waste my time posting about it, but I'll let you go back and see why your comments are stupid. Gotta love the criticize the Coordinators for everything crowd.

Unless you think we should have been running the Wildcat in a tie game with the ball on the 9 yard line.

[TheRedCedar]

Originally Posted by limelizard

Two years ago Martin was a senior in high school. Ryan Allison threw that pass against Penn State two years ago.

Good call, thankyou!

[ABeautifulDayForFootball]

Not sure if this is exactly what we will see, but I am sure there will be some Trickeration coming out on Saturday. Senior night and a chance to go into our bowl on a high note - might as well go balls out.

[BleedGreen4ever]

Originally Posted by Dr. Lansing

From what I can tell, defenses are starting to catch on to the wildcat and it's not nearly as effective as an it once was. You know it's a run so you load up the box and key on the wildcat. What's so hard about defending that?

Um...first off you could pass out of it, especially with a guy like K-Mart running it. So you could burn them and keep them honest, and when you do run you not only have an extra blocker, you can hit the hole much faster because you don't have the QB running back to hand the ball off. If you have a really creative Off Coord, you could do some really cool things with it throughout the game and possibly get some huge gains. But like I said, if we had a really creative Off Coord.....we have one that is sometimes creative, runs the wildcat once, then never goes back to it. And it's not even like it's a really risky play...I don't get it.

[MSU '73]

Originally Posted by Flying Polack

Before you criticize why don't you go back and look at the game log. I could waste my time posting about it, but I'll let you go back and see why your comments are stupid. Gotta love the criticize the Coordinators for everything crowd.

Unless you think we should have been running the Wildcat in a tie game with the ball on the 9 yard line.

We should have been running the wildcat in the first half.

Not exclusively, but the wildcat should have been mixed in. Remember, there are a variety of plays you can use with the wildcat and some of them are set up by the previous plays run.

Since we didn't run it in the 1st half, when Treadwell actually brought it out in the 2nd half, we should have run the formation until Purdue showed they could stop it. Again, we do have more plays from the wildcat than that one. You do realize that, right?

Exactly how many FG's did we have to kick????? And if Swenson isn't such a great kicker to make 2 52 yard FG's we would have lost the game.

So don't go pointing to the "game log", bud.

That only supports what I have said.