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What criteria does a school have to meet for a D1 basketball program?
I know football has requirements for stadium attendance and school size, but what about basketball? It's always baffled me that Oakland University and UofD have D1 programs, but Wayne State is D2.
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01-26-2010, 03:07 PM
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I know football has requirements for stadium attendance and school size, but what about basketball? It's always baffled me that Oakland University and UofD have D1 programs, but Wayne State is D2.
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ive played pickup games at Wayne's gym
its NOT a D1 gym
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01-27-2010, 01:08 PM
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ive played pickup games at Wayne's gym
its NOT a D1 gym
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So gym size is a requirement? I'm not bitching about how WSU deserves a D1 program, I've just always thought it weird that they don't and I'm curious about the actual criteria.
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01-27-2010, 01:13 PM
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http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/...f2f91ad6fc8b25
It doesn't appear that there are any specific requirements re:basketball as far as a school being classified as D-I beyond scheduling and the overall number of sports sponsored.
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01-27-2010, 01:29 PM
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I vaguely remember hearing something about Oakland having to agree NOT to have a football team in order to have a D1 basketball team.
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01-27-2010, 01:30 PM
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I believe there is also some rules that a conference has to want you as well. North Dakota's mascot issue is causing their difficulties because the conference wants this settled before admitting them.
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01-27-2010, 01:33 PM
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I know football has requirements for stadium attendance and school size, but what about basketball? It's always baffled me that Oakland University and UofD have D1 programs, but Wayne State is D2.
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I don't think school size is a requirement. If I'm not mistaken, Wake Forest has an undergrad enrollment of under 5,000. There are a couple more in Texas as well..Rice maybe?
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01-27-2010, 01:36 PM
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The criteria is the school deciding it never wants a postseason tournament, but wants more money.
The D2 schools undoubtedly make less money, but at least those kids have the chance to be National Champs and All Americans at that level. The D1 schools that blur the line between D1 and D2 can only hope for a 15/16 seed and sure blowout loss in the NCAA tournament... and thats the best case scenario.
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01-27-2010, 01:37 PM
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I know football has requirements for stadium attendance and school size, but what about basketball? It's always baffled me that Oakland University and UofD have D1 programs, but Wayne State is D2.
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NCAA has attendance requirements for FBS schools, but they are not enforced. Eastern Michigan only averaged about 3,000 per game this season (and that's probably being generous). They have been well below the attendance threshold for many years, yet are in no danger of losing FBS status.
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01-27-2010, 01:44 PM
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I don't think school size is a requirement. If I'm not mistaken, Wake Forest has an undergrad enrollment of under 5,000. There are a couple more in Texas as well..Rice maybe?
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Rice's undergrad enrollment is around 3300.
SMU has 6000, TCU about 7600.
Wake has about 4500, Duke 6300, Vanderbilt 6600.
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01-27-2010, 01:45 PM
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The criteria is the school deciding it never wants a postseason tournament, but wants more money.
The D2 schools undoubtedly make less money, but at least those kids have the chance to be National Champs and All Americans at that level. The D1 schools that blur the line between D1 and D2 can only hope for a 15/16 seed and sure blowout loss in the NCAA tournament... and thats the best case scenario. |
Thank you. That makes a lot of sense.
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01-27-2010, 01:51 PM
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In hoops it all comes down to funding and how willing the schools are to pony up the cash to be D1. In addition, a rule change in 1993 required those schools with football programs to be at least 1-AA in football if they had D1 hoops (this affected schools like Dayton, Evansville, Butler and Valpo, among others, who had D1 hoops and D3 football). It also requires bumping up to D1 for all other sports, a significant investment for many schools. New Orleans is dropping because post Katrina the school never recovered financially and they can't afford to remain at D1.
Some schools, one that comes to mind is Presbyterian, made the jump for exposure purposes - their names would be on the ESPN crawl and thus exposed to hundreds of thousands of viewers every time they played a game. That can backfire - Morris Brown College went bankrupt as a college from moving to D1.
Because so many schools were moving up and were not able to be competitive there is a new probationary period before you can become a full D1 member and a significant joining fee. Many schools take years to study the feasibility in moving up.
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01-27-2010, 01:57 PM
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Like Enrico just posted, a lot is about money. A Division I move is an athletic department-wide move, and the NCAA has minimums on number of sports. For example, a school has to participate in at least 14 sports, and at minimum 7 must be women's. So you must have at least 6 mens and 8 womens sports or 7 and 7. There must also be at least 2 team sports for each sex.
But it all comes down to money...
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01-27-2010, 02:00 PM
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A school must choose if it wants to be considered DI or not. If you choose to be DI, all athletic teams must be DI. The way around this is that football is broken into two sub-divisions, FCS and FBS, including a FCS Non-Scholarship section...a la Dayton, Drake, Duquesne, etc. There is a separation between the FCS and FBS in scholarship numbers and stadium size (35K I believe).
All other sports teams are either completely DI, DII, or DIII. To be D-I, I believe it is strictly a case of want and scholarship $ put towards the athlete. Besides the sub-division in football, I don't believe there are any restrictions for attendance or stadium size.
Anyone ever been to Fordham...haha, it is worse than East Lansing's gym...seriously....no seriously, worse, much worse. I think, at capacity, it might hold around 3,000 or so. I am sure there are gyms even smaller or worse in other smaller conferences.
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01-27-2010, 02:01 PM
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A school must choose if it wants to be considered DI or not. If you choose to be DI, all athletic teams must be DI. The way around this is that football is broken into two sub-divisions, FCS and FBS, including a FCS Non-Scholarship section...a la Dayton, Drake, Duquesne, etc. There is a separation between the FCS and FBS in scholarship numbers and stadium size (35K I believe).
All other sports teams are either completely DI, DII, or DIII. To be D-I, I believe it is strictly a case of want and scholarship $ put towards the athlete. Besides the sub-division in football, I don't believe there are any restrictions for attendance or stadium size.
Anyone ever been to Fordham...haha, it is worse than East Lansing's gym...seriously....no seriously, worse, much worse. I think, at capacity, it might hold around 3,000 or so. I am sure there are gyms even smaller or worse in other smaller conferences.
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DII schools can play DI hockey.
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DII schools can play DI hockey.
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As can DIII schools, but most of those have been grandfathered (Clarkson, St. Lawrence, RPI, Union, Colorado College) to have one DI sport.
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01-27-2010, 02:06 PM
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Are there divisions in hockey at all? I just thought they were all placed in one big division.
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01-27-2010, 02:07 PM
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Are there divisions in hockey at all? I just thought they were all placed in one big division.
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DI and DIII.
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Are there divisions in hockey at all? I just thought they were all placed in one big division.
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DI and DIII. No D2 (there is a "D2" but it's not NCAA).
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01-27-2010, 02:23 PM
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Centenary has about 1200 students, the size of most MIAA schools. Davidson isn't much larger.
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01-27-2010, 02:28 PM
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Centenary has about 1200 students, the size of most MIAA schools. Davidson isn't much larger.
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Only Adrian and Olivet are smaller than that. Hope actually has 3200 and Calvin 4100, which rivals the size of Butler and Valparaiso in the Horizon League.
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