Joe Biden

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by GreenSpartan

wait a minute.... "female issues"??

thats sort of misleading, she talks about politics, media bias and pop culture, often in a humourous way, with a conservative viewpoint.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. What Democratic "reformed drunk" are you referring to? Ted Kennedy?

wouldn't he have to not be drunk to be a reformed drunk?

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by st8ofmind

wouldn't he have to not be drunk to be a reformed drunk?

Nope - he's a Kennedy and they have their own rules.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

thats sort of misleading, she talks about politics, media bias and pop culture, often in a humourous way, with a conservative viewpoint.

So she does a conservative women's issues talk show? What's today's topic, how to satisfy your man through prayer?

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

So she does a conservative women's issues talk show? What's today's topic, how to satisfy your man through prayer?

shes on vacation today.

[Jack's Smirking Revenge]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

shes on vacation today.

I'm sure her fill-in host Jeff Gannon can do the same topic.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by Jack's Smirking Revenge

I'm sure her fill-in host Jeff Gannon can do the same topic.

You got the guest host wrong. Never mind though.

[Jack78]

Laura Ingraham, illegitimate daughter of Miss Hathaway?

[WavSpartan]

Biden is unelectable. While he seems Presidential, and fairly popular with moderate Republicans, I think the Democrats need to nominate a Governor not a Senator.

The dude from Virginia or Bill Richardson seems like an easier choice....not another guy with a long record in the senate for people to go over with a fine tooth comb.

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

You got the guest host wrong. Never mind though.

Oh....is he using his real name now? James Dale Guckert? Hopefully, you don't have to listen to him pimp his hotmilitarystud.com website during the commercial breaks.

[sparty_in_madtown]

is that the fox news, rush Limbaugh, laura ingram, --- Savage, Sean Hannity, Gordon liddy, Bill O'rielly media bias she talks about?

Did you happen to see any of the reaction to the incredibily stupid and insensitive remarks ingrahm made about how reporters in Iraq are only reporting from the hotel rooms and painting a bad picture. She forgot to acknowledge that over twenty reporters were killed in Iraq and ignored the fact that reporters imbedded with troops were getting injured and shot at (i.e ABC new crew - Bob Woodward). Like Ann Coulter she a loud mouth who has no credentials at all.

[tuff bob]

Ingraham: "Well here, here's what I think David. I think with all the resources of networks like NBC. The Today show spends all this money to send people to the Olympics, which is great, it was great programming. All this money for Where In The World Is Matt Lauer? Bring the Today show to Iraq. Bring the Today show to Tal Afar. Do the show from the 4th ID at Camp Victory and then when you talk to those soldiers on the ground, when you go out with the Iraqi military, when you talk to the villagers, when you see the children, then I want NBC to report on only the IEDs, only the killings, only, only the reprisals. When people are on the ground whether it's recently, David Ignatius of the Washington Post, whether it's recently..."

Gregory: "Okay but, but Laura let's be, hold on, let's be..."

Ingraham: "Let me finish David because you got, you guys are, no, no, let me finish, let me finish..."

Gregory: "Wait a minute Laura! Wait a second! If you want to be fair. First of all the Today show went to Iraq. Matt Lauer was there, he reported there."

Ingraham: "Did he do a show, did you do a show from Iraq?"

Gregory: "Okay and we, and we've got a bureau there so..."

Ingraham: "Yeah. David, David to do a show from Iraq means to talk to the Iraqi military to go out with the Iraqi military, to actually have a conversation with the people instead of reporting from hotel balconies about the latest IEDs going off. It is very difficult in Iraq. People are struggling..."

Gregory: "And you, and you think Iraq is safe enough to, have you been there long enough to venture outside the hotel balconies?!"

Ingraham: "David, yes I did. I wasn't in a hotel balcony I was out with the U.S. military and it can be done in any part of the country. It is dangerous in the Sunni triangle..."

[WavSpartan]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

Ingraham: "Well here, here's what I think David. I think with all the resources of networks like NBC. The Today show spends all this money to send people to the Olympics, which is great, it was great programming. All this money for Where In The World Is Matt Lauer? Bring the Today show to Iraq. Bring the Today show to Tal Afar. Do the show from the 4th ID at Camp Victory and then when you talk to those soldiers on the ground, when you go out with the Iraqi military, when you talk to the villagers, when you see the children, then I want NBC to report on only the IEDs, only the killings, only, only the reprisals. When people are on the ground whether it's recently, David Ignatius of the Washington Post, whether it's recently..."

Gregory: "Okay but, but Laura let's be, hold on, let's be..."

Ingraham: "Let me finish David because you got, you guys are, no, no, let me finish, let me finish..."

Gregory: "Wait a minute Laura! Wait a second! If you want to be fair. First of all the Today show went to Iraq. Matt Lauer was there, he reported there."

Ingraham: "Did he do a show, did you do a show from Iraq?"

Gregory: "Okay and we, and we've got a bureau there so..."

Ingraham: "Yeah. David, David to do a show from Iraq means to talk to the Iraqi military to go out with the Iraqi military, to actually have a conversation with the people instead of reporting from hotel balconies about the latest IEDs going off. It is very difficult in Iraq. People are struggling..."

Gregory: "And you, and you think Iraq is safe enough to, have you been there long enough to venture outside the hotel balconies?!"

Ingraham: "David, yes I did. I wasn't in a hotel balcony I was out with the U.S. military and it can be done in any part of the country. It is dangerous in the Sunni triangle..."

She should join up if she's so proud of going into the s***. Lots of people do that and don't act like they've lived through combat......well besides her and O'Reilly.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

She should join up if she's so proud of going into the s***.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

Biden is unelectable. While he seems Presidential, and fairly popular with moderate Republicans, I think the Democrats need to nominate a Governor not a Senator.

The dude from Virginia or Bill Richardson seems like an easier choice....not another guy with a long record in the senate for people to go over with a fine tooth comb.

Biden does try to present more reasoned and moderate positions but he comes across as a career slick politician which in the current environment engenders a degree of mistrust.

I've seen a few interviews with Richardson over the past year where he was unprepared and provided generally poor unpolished responses. IMO he's simply not presidential material.

[In a pylon st8ofmind]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Biden does try to present more reasoned and moderate positions but he comes across as a career slick politician which in the current environment engenders a degree of mistrust.

I've seen a few interviews with Richardson over the past year where he was unprepared and provided generally poor unpolished responses. IMO he's simply not presidential material.

Thank you Jack, that was exactly the kind of stuff I was looking for.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally Posted by WavSpartan

Biden is unelectable. While he seems Presidential, and fairly popular with moderate Republicans, I think the Democrats need to nominate a Governor not a Senator.

The dude from Virginia or Bill Richardson seems like an easier choice....not another guy with a long record in the senate for people to go over with a fine tooth comb.

You had to mention fine tooth comb, didn't you?

[Hyland Hickson]

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, generally more conservative than I like. A big hawk on foriegn policy. That said, I think he would make a decent candidate in the general, but he won't get to the general.

[sloth]

while Joe Biden is certainly considerably to the left of my personal politics, he would be far more conservative than the current President. given that context, I would say that Biden would be a marked improvement over Mr. Bush in just about every way imaginable.

seriously, Bush has set the conservative movement back 25 years, we could use a Democrat fer 4 years to remind MFers why they've been leaning right fer the last 3 generations. and if yer gonna have a Democrat, minus well be a conservative Dem.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by sloth

minus well be a conservative Dem.

who could never get selected by the Demms

[Wyvern]

Originally Posted by sloth

...he would be far more conservative than the current President.

... and if yer gonna have a Democrat, minus well be a conservative Dem.

I wouldn't say Biden is conservative. Here's his plot from the "On the Issues" website (link: http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm)



In my view Biden wouldn't be a bad candidate, but I share the previously raised concern that he couldn't get elected because of his long and very public record in the US Senate. McCain may suffer from the same problem.

It's a shame that many capable leaders in both parties may be hindered rather than helped by serving in the senate.

Ideally voters should take in to consideration the entirety of a candidate and not focus on a few votes. But in this era of negative politics that's unlikely.

It seems that the candidate that comes up with the best negative sound bite about his opponent has the advantage. Controversial votes in the senate serve as good ammo in that game.

[Spartan Fan1]

[sloth]

Originally Posted by Wyvern

I wouldn't say Biden is conservative. Here's his plot from the "On the Issues" website (link: http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm)



In my view Biden wouldn't be a bad candidate, but I share the previously raised concern that he couldn't get elected because of his long and very public record in the US Senate. McCain may suffer from the same problem.

It's a shame that many capable leaders in both parties may be hindered rather than helped by serving in the senate.

Ideally voters should take in to consideration the entirety of a candidate and not focus on a few votes. But in this era of negative politics that's unlikely.

It seems that the candidate that comes up with the best negative sound bite about his opponent has the advantage. Controversial votes in the senate serve as good ammo in that game.

ftr, I dint say Biden wuz a conservative, I simply pointed out that he would be a conservative dem and that he wuz more conservative the our current president.

[Wyvern]

Originally Posted by sloth

ftr, I dint say Biden wuz a conservative, I simply pointed out that he would be a conservative dem and that he wuz more conservative the our current president.

Not to , but here's GWB's plot:



He's much more conservative than Biden.

[Wyvern]