tOfficial WTC Conspiracy Thread

['86]

Originally Posted by Saint Joey

Two years from now, this will all be a memory.

YEAH BABY!!! I'm thinking national championship THIS YEAR too!!!

[-asx-]

Originally Posted by kaiserpete

Yes, everyone with a brain knows that it wasn't the global jihadists that perpetrated the events of 9/11. It was the filthy Jews. Those dual loyalty, controlling the banks and media whores of Zion. Never underestimate their cunning and duplicitous nature. Who else could possibly convince their mortal enemies like Mohammed Atta to commit mass murder in their name? It was the Jews. Jews. Jews. Jews. Jews. Jews. Jews. Jews.

This is a shameful and completely dishonest misrepresentation of what 86 believes. I suppose you find straw men easier to deal with than actual arguments.

Note: I don't share most of 86's critique, but I don't feel compelled to distort it, either.

[Al Czervik]

Originally Posted by kaiserpete

Who else could possibly convince their mortal enemies like Mohammed Atta to commit mass murder in their name?

Atta (at least the one in the U.S. - doppelgangers is another angle to all of this) and some others were run exactly in Iran Contra fashion. Some had been on military installations, others in San Diego had close contacts with the FBI. Daniel Hopsicker did some great research on this. Interestingly, Hopsicker's research all points to a conspiracy, but he doesn't believe the conspiracy theories and thinks Atta was just a psychotic (but not a religious fundamentalist) acting on his own (not really on orders from Al Qaeda).

Joey is right that the movement is at the peak of the hysteria. It will quickly become just an academic exercise and relegated to the dustbin of history like JFK. One of my favorite journalists re: 9/11 (Mike Ruppert) pissed off a lot of people within the truth movement when he advised two years ago that investigations would never be reopened and you should just concentrate on taking care of yourself in light of coming problems like peak oil. He is correct.

The coverup in a lot of ways is bipartisan. People on the right rip the Democrats on the Commission like Jamie Gorelick for burying a lot of damaging material. They're right. Able Danger was monitoring these guys for years, and miraculously the Senate Intelligence Committee declared at the end of last year all of the allegations were unfounded. Tell that to Lt. Col Anthony Shaffer. Bob Graham should testify why he and Porter Goss met on 9/11 with a guy who is reported to have directed $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. FBI translator Sibel Edmonds says she was at the juncture of drug smuggling, political campaign finance, and terrorist finance, and that ten high profile Americans have ties to 9/11. It would be nice to hear her story, but again, both parties want to protect the crap game. Finally, it would be great to have someone analyze things like the WTC steel, but it's all gone. Without that, the government will beat you with their high paid experts as it did with JFK. Maybe Loose Change Final Cut will make an impact in the real world, but I doubt it.

['86]

Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Atta (at least the one in the U.S. - doppelgangers is another angle to all of this) and some others were run exactly in Iran Contra fashion. Some had been on military installations, others in San Diego had close contacts with the FBI. Daniel Hopsicker did some great research on this. Interestingly, Hopsicker's research all points to a conspiracy, but he doesn't believe the conspiracy theories and thinks Atta was just a psychotic (but not a religious fundamentalist) acting on his own (not really on orders from Al Qaeda).

Joey is right that the movement is at the peak of the hysteria. It will quickly become just an academic exercise and relegated to the dustbin of history like JFK. One of my favorite journalists re: 9/11 (Mike Ruppert) pissed off a lot of people within the truth movement when he advised two years ago that investigations would never be reopened and you should just concentrate on taking care of yourself in light of coming problems like peak oil. He is correct.

The coverup in a lot of ways is bipartisan. People on the right rip the Democrats on the Commission like Jamie Gorelick for burying a lot of damaging material. They're right. Able Danger was monitoring these guys for years, and miraculously the Senate Intelligence Committee declared at the end of last year all of the allegations were unfounded. Tell that to Lt. Col Anthony Shaffer. Bob Graham should testify why he and Porter Goss met on 9/11 with a guy who is reported to have directed $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. FBI translator Sibel Edmonds says she was at the juncture of drug smuggling, political campaign finance, and terrorist finance, and that ten high profile Americans have ties to 9/11. It would be nice to hear her story, but again, both parties want to protect the crap game. Finally, it would be great to have someone analyze things like the WTC steel, but it's all gone. Without that, the government will beat you with their high paid experts as it did with JFK. Maybe Loose Change Final Cut will make an impact in the real world, but I doubt it.

ddddddaaaaannnnngggggg...I know I'm slow coming around but there appears to be a mountain of evidence before me and a lot of it (them) appears to have mainstream credibility. Ah man, I just got here and the party is already over!?!?

I can understand the resignation of Mike Ruppert. Long ago I had to find God to be able to live, to move forward, and to handle...some things are just too tragic.

If thou seest the oppression of the poor, and violent perverting of judgment and justice in a province, marvel not at the matter: for he that is higher than the highest regardeth; and there be higher than they. -Ecclesiastes 5:8

Even so, it sounds like there has been a special community of truth bearers for some time now. To think, some are now weary and throwing in the towel. That is sad.

['86]

Originally Posted by -asx-

This is a shameful and completely dishonest misrepresentation of what 86 believes. I suppose you find straw men easier to deal with than actual arguments.

Note: I don't share most of 86's critique, but I don't feel compelled to distort it, either.

Thanks for the props. Your distance from views I have that you don't agree with is noted and respected, too.

Question shenanigans within any racial or ethnic group besides the Jews. There was a time when the mafia was on the front burner in this county, no one freaked out about anti-Italianism. At least people aren't wrecklessly slinging the 'A' word on this board like they used to.

[Saint Joey]

Originally Posted by '86

Thanks for the props. Your distance from views I have that you don't agree with is noted and respected, too.

Question shenanigans within any racial or ethnic group besides the Jews. There was a time when the mafia was on the front burner in this county, no one freaked out about anti-Italianism. At least people aren't wrecklessly slinging the 'A' word on this board like they used to.

Asswhole? Assface? Assbag? Ass-spelunker? What?

[Lochgelly]

OF COURSE the official story is BS...in both cases you have one of the central and key principal players ADMITTING that ...

In regard to 911 Silverstein admits that they "pulled" Building 7...in the Kennedy case you have Oswald stating that he was "the patsy."

The problem is that there is so much crap out there ... it is really hard to decipher the truth from the b.s....and some of the biggest problems are the conspiracy clowns themselves that go too far...(of course, we all know those people on those flights were flown to Cleveland and then fast frozen and placed on space ships for there long journey to colonize Alpha Centauri...can't we just all agree on that? )

Anyways ...everyone knows the whole thing stinks to high heaven...and geesh..the Republicans are so steadfast in their blind support of the official story because they know that if it is true (that Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc were behind it) that it would be the deathknell of the Republican party...therefore, you got 50 % of the American people right there that know something stinks but they will not do anything to stop it...because of personal and political reasons...they don't care about that...they like what is happening now).

All of this leads to the conclusion that 911will be another Kennedy type conspiracy...Most people will know that the official story is B.S. and it will float around for 100 years before "scholars" will eventually agree ...but by then...so much water will have moved under the bridge that it will all be irrelevant.

Oh well...I guess there are too many rivers left to fish to worry about it...

[Saint Joey]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

OF COURSE the official story is BS...in both cases you have one of the central and key principal players ADMITTING that ...

In regard to 911 Silverstein admits that they "pulled" Building 7...in the Kennedy case you have Oswald stating that he was "the patsy."

The problem is that there is so much crap out there ... it is really hard to decipher the truth from the b.s....and some of the biggest problems are the conspiracy clowns themselves that go too far...(of course, we all know those people on those flights were flown to Cleveland and then fast frozen and placed on space ships for there long journey to colonize Alpha Centauri...can't we just all agree on that? )

Anyways ...everyone knows the whole thing stinks to high heaven...and geesh..the Republicans are so steadfast in their blind support of the official story because they know that if it is true (that Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc were behind it) that it would be the deathknell of the Republican party...therefore, you got 50 % of the American people right there that know something stinks but they will not do anything to stop it...because of personal and political reasons...they don't care about that...they like what is happening now).

All of this leads to the conclusion that 911will be another Kennedy type conspiracy...Most people will know that the official story is B.S. and it will float around for 100 years before "scholars" will eventually agree ...but by then...so much water will have moved under the bridge that it will all be irrelevant.

Oh well...I guess there are too many rivers left to fish to worry about it...

How insightful ..... NOT.

['86]

Originally Posted by Saint Joey

Asswhole? Assface? Assbag? Ass-spelunker? What?

Anti-........semitic!!!!

Sem·ite (smt)
n.
1. A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.
2. A Jew.
3. Bible A descendant of Shem.

Semite - definition of Semite by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

If I had a restaurant, I'd let an Arab come in just as long as he left his AK 47 with the cashier.

['86]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

OF COURSE the official story is BS...in both cases you have one of the central and key principal players ADMITTING that ...

In regard to 911 Silverstein admits that they "pulled" Building 7...in the Kennedy case you have Oswald stating that he was "the patsy."

The problem is that there is so much crap out there ... it is really hard to decipher the truth from the b.s....and some of the biggest problems are the conspiracy clowns themselves that go too far...(of course, we all know those people on those flights were flown to Cleveland and then fast frozen and placed on space ships for there long journey to colonize Alpha Centauri...can't we just all agree on that? )

Anyways ...everyone knows the whole thing stinks to high heaven...and geesh..the Republicans are so steadfast in their blind support of the official story because they know that if it is true (that Bush Cheney Rumsfeld etc were behind it) that it would be the deathknell of the Republican party...therefore, you got 50 % of the American people right there that know something stinks but they will not do anything to stop it...because of personal and political reasons...they don't care about that...they like what is happening now).

All of this leads to the conclusion that 911will be another Kennedy type conspiracy...Most people will know that the official story is B.S. and it will float around for 100 years before "scholars" will eventually agree ...but by then...so much water will have moved under the bridge that it will all be irrelevant.

Oh well...I guess there are too many rivers left to fish to worry about it...

There's a huge difference between an assassinaton like so many killings that are covered up everyday and this event that appears on the world stage for everyone everywhere including Western Namibia to see. I find it hard to believe there is anyone who works in demolition and is knowledgeable about them who believes those buildings weren't pulled. I'm sure you and many others know just who is saying what from that industry, I'll be getting there. Could there possibly be any engineers anywhere who work in demolitions who endorse the building seven kitchen-fire story!?

[lars]

[quote='86;3905072]

Tonight's offering was posted by Ecomcon:

Winter Patriot: VIDEO: September 11th Revisited

Question, where's the 9/11 Truth movement going, picking up mo or destined to be buried under the rubble?

It seems to me that the real question is, 'Is there some evil cabal of social scientists somewhere who are using this as a test to see just how gullible and blind the sheep can be?' I mean, the buildings were brought down with demolitions, will some of us be kicking ourselves someday about how we could be so stupid or will this bellicosely daring charade really get passed off? If whoever or whatever gets away with this one, God help us, is there anything that can't be done to us?

Just like the JFK and moon landing conspiracies, there will always be a fringe group of people with mild to severe mental illness that will continue to have paranoid beliefs about govt conspiracies. While the 911 truth movement will stay a fringe group..and will die out..you can rest assured that others will continue with the fantasy.

[lars]

Originally Posted by '86

. I find it hard to believe there is anyone who works in demolition and is knowledgeable about them who believes those buildings weren't pulled.

You may find it hard to believe..but you will be hard pressed to find anyone involved in controlled demolition of buildings who would agree that the building were taken down using a controlled demo. Nearly all experts in this field who have looked serious at the buildings all agree it was not a controlled demo.

[Lochgelly]

And just like the "yellow journalism" that the Hearst Publications engaged in when trumping up the sinking of the Maine and blaming it on the Spanish in order to trump up war...or in modern times...when (at first) no one believed that our government would engage in the shady deals surrounding the Iran-Contra affair, there will always be a fringe group of horses running around with blinders on pretending not see when there is ample evidence right in front of their faces. These people are like ostriches burying their heads in the sand and they will always exist. Like Bagdad Bob they will cling to their fantasies until the last minute.

['86]

Originally Posted by lars

You may find it hard to believe..but you will be hard pressed to find anyone involved in controlled demolition of buildings who would agree that the building were taken down using a controlled demo. Nearly all experts in this field who have looked serious at the buildings all agree it was not a controlled demo.

That ought to be reasonably verifiable. I'm not asking you or anyone to re-hash issues of which you are well tired, but I'm open to whatever evidence anyone wants to put up here. It's like the Corps of Engineers man Jeff King spoke of, he watched the images and needed nothing more, the buildings were pulled. It just seems big as ****, plain as day to me. But, I do want to hear what everyday experts in the field are saying. That wouldn't be limited to any select group of toadies who have all read the script.

In keeping with the theme of his thread, your opinion that that this movement will always only be a fringe and never a real force is noted. Thank you.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by lars

You may find it hard to believe..but you will be hard pressed to find anyone involved in controlled demolition of buildings who would agree that the building were taken down using a controlled demo. Nearly all experts in this field who have looked serious at the buildings all agree it was not a controlled demo.

Yet another proclamation of truth with no sources...

[chachi]

Just look at the type of and content of the responses in this thread from Kaiser, Lars and Satin Joey...

Their behavior should show you a lot.

But... 33% of Americans believe Saddam was directly involved in 9/11... So, that is a lot of idiots.

[Saint Joey]

Originally Posted by chachi

Just look at the type of and content of the responses in this thread from Kaiser, Lars and Satin Joey...

Their behavior should show you a lot.

But... 33% of Americans believe Saddam was directly involved in 9/11... So, that is a lot of idiots.

You are the king idiot, so your comments on who qualifies as an idiot carry no merit. Sorry 'bout cha.

[Saint Joey]

Originally Posted by '86

I find it hard to believe there is anyone who works in demolition and is knowledgeable about them who believes those buildings weren't pulled.

The fact that you posted this makes me suspect that your research on the subject has come entirely from conspiracy sites.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by Saint Joey

The fact that you posted this makes me suspect that your research on the subject has come entirely from conspiracy sites.

Again, I will ask for sources of all of the demolition experts that have come forward and stated DEFINITIVLY that WTC 1, 2 AND 7 could not have been imploded and were not imploded.

Please include a link to the original sources.

I patiently await your response that will never come.

['86]

Originally Posted by Saint Joey

The fact that you posted this makes me suspect that your research on the subject has come entirely from conspiracy sites.

The subject is any consensus of opinions of experts in the field who have no need to please higher ups of any sort. I sent off an email to an engineering friend in China. I'll be digging into this a bit this weekend. This should be a piece of cake. Demolition engineers all over the world have seen the video. King's friend had no question. Dr. Ray or whatever his name is presents the airplane crash cause as laughable. Ok then, so be it. Around the world, people who don't have a dog in the fight, people who've been involved in demolitions daily for decades, what are they saying? 'Can't tell?' 'Jet fuel?' 'Absolutely, positively without a doubt controlled demo?' Should be easy.

As far as all the rest of these reindeer games goes, I'm not interested. There are some on this board, often on opposing sides of any given argument who are willing to engage in a discussion that leads to better understanding and truth. My search has just begun. And no, I didn't get the mainstream story from conspiracy websites.