tOfficial WTC Conspiracy Thread

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by ming

You are implying, without actually saying it, that all these engineers and scientists are "in on it". Is this so you don't have to deal with the ramifications of having thousands of scientists and engineers all involved in some vast government conspiracy?

The official stance of the ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers), AIA(American Institute of Architects), ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers), IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers), AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) and AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) is that they do not dispute the official story. These organizations represent hundreds of thousands of experts. Are they all "in on it" or at least complicit in their silence?

Why out of all these hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers has only a tiny handful come out and said anything to support your theories leaving it up to unqualified bloggers to uncover the mystery?

In making generalized and vague assertions utilizing unrelated facts and quotes without actually spelling out how the conspiracy actually happened, you avoid having to deal with the fact that for the 9/11 conspiracy to have taken place it would have required thousands of co-conspirators who, 6 years later, have all remained silent as to their responsibility.

But hey, you don;t know how it happened, you're "just asking questions"

Bear in mind that these"scientists" didnt or werent allowed to consider controlled demolition as a possible culprit. Oddities like steel that was wafer thin and looked like swiss cheese was reported on and not discussed in the report.In short, these guys were given a spot to end up at, and had a tough time getting there scientifically. I actually feel sorry for them.

I will ask that you do a little reading up on the Nist report, its "scientific testing"methods and report back after digesting its findings.

Unless you do, its really hard for somebody that is even open minded to get a true sense of the anti science used to support the official tale

[ming]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

Bear in mind that these"scientists" didnt or werent allowed to consider controlled demolition as a possible culprit. Oddities like steel that was wafer thin and looked like swiss cheese was reported on and not discussed in the report.In short, these guys were given a spot to end up at, and had a tough time getting there scientifically. I actually feel sorry for them.

Oh man. So now there is a conspiracy amongst scientists and engineers to suppress potential whistle blowers from coming out and speaking their true feelings about 9/11.

It's a conspiracy supported by a another conspiracy tied to yet another conspiracy all wrapped up in a larger conspiracy.

I'd love to see a graphic representation of all the necessary conspiracies required for 9/11 to have been an "inside job". I have a feeling it would look a lot like this...



hmm... now that I look at it, the structure in the picture above looks suspicious... almost as if it were designed to collapse. Controlled even. But by whom? hmm....

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by chriswyse

Israel could be affected by fallout.

If it comes down to a us or them situation then maybe we drop the bomb. But I still think that a U.S. united behind it's military could whip some terrorist assss without using nukes.

the only problem with your idea is that americans (not feriners) bombed the trade centers

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by '86

For a guy who clearly doesn't know much, you sure have a lot to say. Does it make you feel smarter to align yourself with political correctness to take all the freebie shots allowed by majority group think?

Well, prance queen, prance. As long as enough people buy into your act, the truth of the matter and your ignorance shouldn't be too much of a hinderance for you.

I was really hoping to be nice today, too!

86, some serious questions for you: do you believe Jews were involved in the 9/11 attacks? Yes or no? And do you believe, as some do, that Jews mysteriously evacuated the WTC complex just prior to the attacks, as if they had prior knowledge?

I'm just trying to understand your perspective...

[chriswyse]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

the only problem with your idea is that americans (not feriners) bombed the trade centers

You live in a different reality than the rest of us. Good special effects or Airplanes hitting the towers? Get a clue?

[WixomSpartan]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

the only problem with your idea is that americans (not feriners) bombed the trade centers

[MSUber alles]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

Remember, Nist itself, after examining 160 pieces of steel from the "impact zone"stated in the NIST REPORT than in 157 of 160 pieces they tested, the heat applied to them was NO GREATER THAN 250c....Or about 500 degrees.

In other words it wouldnt melt a pot sitting on your stove at home .



The fact is Nist has continued to this day to change its story because there is zero evidence of heat capable of even weakening steel being present, and the floor models they tested didnt sag even with way more heat applied to them than they themselves say was present.


To sum it up, they are trying to use anti science to agree with the official lie, and as the evidence doesnt agree with them, they continue to morph the story (or in the case of building 7, still havent issued a verdict)

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Spy vs. Spy

Yeah, Bush got the message all right. It only took him over 7 minutes to sit there while his piss dried after being told by his top aid "Sir, America is under attack!"

Can you imagine how you and your right wing nut base would have come unglued if it were Clinton who sat there like Forest Gump aka W???

What the hell did Junior think his aid was talking about...SOUTH America perhaps?

he had to gather himself and try to understand the severity of what he had just done

by willfully aiding in an attack against his own country (for profit), he assured himself a firey seat in hell

being the devout cristian that he is I'm sure that bothered him a little

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by MSUber alles

The quotes i cited in that post are directly from the Nist report.

The fact is, NOWHERE did they find any temps hot enough to melt steel.All you have to do is read the report (like i have)to see it.


The LATEST Nist revision to the cause is quite "out there". Now they say that dislodged fireproofing from the impact area is why things gave way

Seriously, read the report. Thats exactly what they are telling us now. Remember those beams and steel met 2000 degree temps for two hours unfireproofed just to meet code(they performed perfectly). No fire burned two hours, nothing got anywhere near 2000 degrees.Hydrocarbon fires cant and dont burn that hot.

So how does Nist test for dislodged fireproofing to back they're story?

They shoot a 12 gauge shotgun into a plywood box 15 times coated with fireproofing. Thats exactly how. Google it and get an education

[Donnyrotten]

[2] This is NIST’s theory in their own words: “The two aircraft hit the towers at high speed and did considerable damage to principal structural components: core columns, floors, and perimeter columns. However, the towers withstood the impacts and would have remained standing were it not for the dislodged insulation (fireproofing) and the subsequent multifloor fires.”

Taken from: NIST: “Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers” page 4.

Therefore, the NIST theory is a “fireproofing theory”. If the fireproofing was not removed the buildings would not have collapsed according to NIST.

Plane damage was therefore insignificant:

Thomas Eagar, an MIT professor of materials engineering who supports the official theory, says that the impact of the airplanes would not have been significant, because “the number of columns lost on the initial impact was not large and the loads were shifted to remaining columns in this highly redundant structure” (Eagar and Musso, 2001, pp. 8-11).

Professor Astaneh-Asl of University of California:said “‘The [plane] impact did nothing to this building,’ he said with admiration.” CNN News, Oct 5, 2001.

[Chitown_Badger]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

The quotes i cited in that post are directly from the Nist report.

The fact is, NOWHERE did they find any temps hot enough to melt steel.All you have to do is read the report (like i have)to see it.


The LATEST Nist revision to the cause is quite "out there". Now they say that dislodged fireproofing from the impact area is why things gave way

Seriously, read the report. Thats exactly what they are telling us now. Remember those beams and steel met 2000 degree temps for two hours unfireproofed just to meet code(they performed perfectly). No fire burned two hours, nothing got anywhere near 2000 degrees.Hydrocarbon fires cant and dont burn that hot.

So how does Nist test for dislodged fireproofing to back they're story?

They shoot a 12 gauge shotgun into a plywood box 15 times coated with fireproofing. Thats exactly how. Google it and get an education

Pretty darn close...the beams were significantly weakened.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by Chitown_Badger

Pretty darn close...the beams were significantly weakened.

NO.....NIST Tested 160 beams from the impact area. 157 of them saw temps of 500 degrees or less.

You know what a heat sink is??? In 56 minutes those huge beams arent going to reach the temp the fire is at. They are all interconnected, so the heat will wick away.

Alos, as the stell was tested to spec, the spec is 2000 degrees for 2 hours

Nothing got near that hot, nor near that long did the fires last.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Dr. X

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[chachi]

Originally Posted by Chitown_Badger

Pretty darn close...the beams were significantly weakened.

You are confusing the temps the steel achieved, as proven by the NIST steel testing, with maximum AIR temps.

you are a smart guy, just because the air is hot does not mean the stell is hot for many reasons.

****, I posted on Wells hall,.

[Al Czervik]

Pakistani intelligence director who had 100 grand wired to Mohammed Atta met with Wolfie, Feith and other neocon Hitler-youth the week of 9/11.
Confirmed: The Pakistani General Who Wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta Met with Wolfowitz, Feith and Other Neocons the Week of 911 | 911blogger.com
George Washington's Blog: Pakistani General Who Wired $100,000 to Mohammad Atta Met with a "Senior Representative from the Joint Chiefs of Staff" Right Before 9/11

That's new, but some of the background on the ISI ties to 9/11 is here.
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[Lochgelly]

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