Harmless Al Qaeda Expands into Algeria

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by Bull****

Pape is very clear and is very wrong. Try reading his words directly and again let us all know how this applies to Algeria. Algeria Algeria Algeria Algeria....focus - I know you can do this dufus.

Exactly what part of this statement from those actually responsible for the bombs do you not understand? Operations against the US, it's allies, its economic interests ...

According to Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera, a spokesman for al-Qaida in Islamic North Africa claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying they were carried out by three suicide bombers in trucks packed with explosives.“We won’t rest until every inch of Islamic land is liberated from foreign forces,”the spokesman said in a recording of the phone call played on Al-Jazeera.

Along with guerrilla warfare, cyber-war and ideological indoctrination, one of the pillars of Al-Qaeda's operational objectives in its war against the West is striking at targets of high economic value, the so-called "bleed-until-bankruptcy plan" first made public by Osama bin Laden in December 2004.
"One of the main causes for our enemies' gaining hegemony over our country," bin Laden reasoned, "is their stealing of our oil; therefore [Islamic fighters] should make every effort ... to stop the greatest theft in history of the natural resources of both present and future generations, which is being carried out through collaboration between foreigners and [local] agents." Note the tarring of local regimes along with "foreigners."

Why Yemen and why Algeria? Aside from the fact that they are good targets of opportunity and there are in these countries indigenous elements sympathetic to or directly aligned with Al-Qaeda, they offer a twofold return on a rather modest investment. The first, of course, is the undermining of Western economic interests;

Originally Posted by Interview w/ Pape

Al Qaeda is a prime example of the strategic logic of suicide terrorism. My book is the first to collect the complete set of every al Qaeda suicide attacker from 1995 to early 2004 -- that is, the seventy-one individuals who actually killed themselves to carry out attacks for Osama. Of those seventy-one, we have the names and nationalities of sixty-seven. Over two-thirds come directly from Sunni Muslim countries where the United States has stationed combat forces since 1990. One-third do not; one-third are more transnational in nature, but even among the one-third that are transnational, we see that the motive of causing the United States and the West in general to leave the Arabian Peninsula is a powerful factor. The London bombers are a good case in this regard, because obviously they were from Britain.

Let me make four points about the London bombers. First, the al Qaeda group that claimed responsibility for the London attacks just two hours after they occurred and with specific operational details not yet in the press, said the London attacks were to punish Britain for British military operations in Iraq. Second, Hussein Osmar (he's the would-be July 21 bomber that we have in Rome), said in his interrogation, and I'm quoting: "This was not about religion, this was about Iraq. We watched films of Western military operations in Iraq." Third, Mohammed Khan -- Mohammed Khan is the ringleader of the July 7 attacks, the guy from Leeds. Well, al Qaeda released his martyr video in September. In that video Khan says with an eerily English accent, that one of the attacks was to punish Britain for British military operations on Muslim lands.

And finally, the British government itself. In 2004, the British home office conducted a four-volume survey of the attitudes of the 1.6 million Muslims in Britain. They found that between 8 percent and 13 percent of British Muslims wanted more suicide attacks against the United States and the West, and they further found the number one reason for that: Iraq. Iraq.

So, I'm not trying to say al Qaeda has no transnational support, but it's crucial to see that if Osama were no longer able to recruit suicide terrorists based on the anger generated by American and Western forces on the Arabian Peninsula, the remaining transnational network would pose a far smaller threat and may well simply collapse.

You are an incredibly ignorant fool, bulljacket.

[EComCon]

Algeria Attack and the al-Qaeda Penetration of Africa
Wednesday April 11th 2007, 10:00 pm

It is sincerely mysterious “al-Qaeda” has a knack of showing up in places targeted by the neocons..

Does AFRICOM ring a bell? It should, that is if you bother to read the newspaper beyond horoscopes and celebrity gossip. Back in February,

Defense Secretary Robert “Iran-Contra” Gates “announced the creation of AFRICOM, which will ultimately be responsible for all of Africa except Egypt, which has existing military ties with U.S. Central Command,” according to Stars and Stripes. “AFRICOM’s purpose is to make Africa the primary concern of one combatant command instead of a ’secondary or tertiary’ concern for three other commands.” In other words, the neocons have a keen interest in expanding the WOT into Africa.

“AFRICOM came into being shortly before the United States used the Ethiopian armed forces, supported by US air power and small teams of special forces, to destabilize the Islamic Courts Union which had stabilized of most of Somalia and, for the first time in years, brought a semblance of normalcy to the country,” writes Matthew Good. “U.S. Special Forces accompanied the Ethiopian Army when it stormed across the border in late December to support the besieged and isolated Transitional Federal Government (TFG). The United States also provided the Ethiopians with “up-to-date intelligence on the military positions of the Islamist fighters in Somalia,” Pentagon and counterterrorism officials told The New York Times,” adds Conn Hallinan, writing for Foreign Policy In Focus. “The ostensible reason for U.S. participation in the invasion was the ICU’s supposed association with al-Qaida, a charge that has never been substantiated. U.S. warplanes and ships shelled and rocketed parts of southern Somalia where, according to Oxfam and the UN Refugee Center, 70 civilians died and more than 100 were wounded.”

Hallinan continues:

It hardly comes as a surprise the usual suspects are behind AFRICOM, most

notably Elliot Abrams, yet another Iran-Contra criminal. Abrams is not only a schoolbook version of a neocon—hooked up with PNAC, CSP, the American Jewish Committee, and the Hudson Institute—but he is also a former member of the Council on Foreign Relations, thus demonstrating once again the kissing cousin aspect between neocon and neolib. As the Deputy National Security Adviser for Global Democracy Strategy at the National Security Council and point person on Israel, it is an understatement to declare Abrams has pull.

“In 2002 he was appointed senior director of Near East and North African Affairs, just as the Bush Administration began basing troops in Djibouti on the strategic Horn of Africa,” writes Conn Hallinan elsewhere. “Some of those forces took part in the recent invasion of Somalia. Abrams also helped launch the Trans-Sahel Counterterrorism Initiative that has drawn a number of countries in North Africa and areas bordering the Sahara into a web of military alliances.” ..

And thus the “al-Qaeda” threat keeps on rolling, out of the Middle East and right into the midst of Africa, where there happens to be no shortage of strategic minerals and such.

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[bukdow]

bullwrinkle, at this point, I hope you have learned a lesson.

[kaiserpete]

Originally Posted by Jack78

According to Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera, a spokesman for al-Qaida in Islamic North Africa claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying they were carried out by three suicide bombers in trucks packed with explosives.“We won’t rest until every inch of Islamic land is liberated from foreign forces,” the spokesman said in a recording of the phone call played on Al-Jazeera.

So taking this guy (and many other Islamist whackjobs) at his (or their) word, we can expect similar attacks until the following countries are under sh'ria law:

Italy
Spain
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Slovenia
Serbia
Bosnia-Herzogovina

[bukdow]

Originally Posted by kaiserpete

So taking this guy (and many other Islamist whackjobs) at his (or their) word, we can expect similar attacks until the following countries are under sh'ria law:

Italy
Spain
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Slovenia
Serbia
Bosnia-Herzogovina

I don`t know about those countries, but if Poland keeps rolling over like a cheap slut, you`ll probably see something happen there.

Let me change that to "whore" because they are getting paid.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by bukdow

bullwrinkle, at this point, I hope you have learned a lesson.

Yeah, fat chance ...

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by kaiserpete

So taking this guy (and many other Islamist whackjobs) at his (or their) word, we can expect similar attacks until the following countries are under sh'ria law:

Italy
Spain
Hungary
Romania
Bulgaria
Slovenia
Serbia
Bosnia-Herzogovina

Maybe ... what's your strategy to mitigate, and eventually eliminate, the problem? Best I can tell your strategy insures the worsening trend continues. Still waiting patiently for your strategy and how you see it realistically playing out over time.

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Exactly what part of this statement from those actually responsible for the bombs do you not understand? Operations against the US, it's allies, its economic interests ...

You are an incredibly ignorant fool, bulljacket.

So basically - you have now revised his thesis due to all of those inconvenient bombings in all those countries where we have no military presence - to a claim that we can expect suicide bombings in any country that has any possible economic interest with the USA. So bascially Al Queda could strike any country in the world with suicide bombers.

That is a fascinating revelation that no one else on this planet understood except for Pape and you Jacko - congrats.

Look out Iceland - Jacko says your time is coming.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

So basically - you have now revised his thesis due to all of those inconvenient bombings in all those countries where we have no military presence - to a claim that we can expect suicide bombings in any country that has any possible economic interest with the USA. So bascially Al Queda could strike any country in the world with suicide bombers.

That is a fascinating revelation that no one else on this planet understood except for Pape and you Jacko - congrats.

Look out Iceland - Jacko says your time is coming.

Read the book, you ignorant moron.

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Read the book, you ignorant moron.

Face it Jacko - every time a suicide bombing occurs in a country where we have no military presence - and in the case of Algeria - virtually no influence (that's the Frenchies legacy) - I'm going to rub your nose in the idiocy of Pape's thesis.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by Bullwrinkle

Face it Jacko - every time a suicide bombing occurs in a country where we have no military presence - and in the case of Algeria - virtually no influence (that's the Frenchies legacy) - I'm going to rub your nose in the idiocy of Pape's thesis.

Have at it, 'cause each time you will look like the ignorant imbecile that you are.

Then, of course, the obvious tends to beat you about the head. =>

According to Arab broadcaster Al-Jazeera, a spokesman for al-Qaida in Islamic North Africa claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying they were carried out by three suicide bombers in trucks packed with explosives.“We won’t rest until every inch of Islamic land is liberated from foreign forces,”the spokesman said in a recording of the phone call played on Al-Jazeera.

You're the fool who doesn't know what the full scope Pape's study findings are, the details of its research, its terms of definition, what it says about the role of religion, and how AQ's actions align with his conclusions, yet you keep bringing it up from a position of total ignorance. You started a separate thread to bash a book you've never read and whose findings you don't understand - exactly how stupid do you have to be to do that???!

Another masterful bullwrinkle schooling of the informed!

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Have at it, 'cause each time you will look like the ignorant imbecile that you are.

Then, of course, the obvious tends to beat you about the head. =>
You're the fool who doesn't know what the full scope Pape's study findings are, the details of its research, its terms of definition, what it says about the role of religion, and how AQ's actions align with his conclusions, yet you keep bringing it up from a position of total ignorance. You started a separate thread to bash a book you've never read and whose findings you don't understand - exactly how stupid do you have to be to do that???!

Another masterful bullwrinkle schooling of the informed!

And those foreign forces in Algeria are..........? Just one time - Jacko- answer the question.

[Jack78]

Originally Posted by Straightwrinkle

And those foreign forces in Algeria are..........? Just one time - Jacko- answer the question.

Read the book, you ignorant moron.

[Bullwrinkle]

Originally Posted by Jack78

Read the book, you ignorant moron.

Hey - in the future when you are unable to answer even the simplest of questions why not just make that your standard response. Just use the acronym RTBYIM to save time.

Algeria....Foreign Occupiers.....Logic of Suicide Bombing.....US Mililtary Presence......US Economic Interests......Damn there must be some way I can make these completely opposite events fit the thesis of that darn book.....if only............never mind. RTBYIM. Hey it works.