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Old 06-25-2007, 07:58 PM   #1 (permalink)
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USA Today: VP Cheney a lying hypocrite....

From a right-leaning paper, no less....

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Vice President Cheney likes to operate behind the scenes. He often bristles at being constrained by rules that apply to others. So sometimes he just ignores them.

Cheney didn't, for instance, want anyone to use the Freedom of Information Act to learn who visits him at his taxpayer-paid residence. So he asserted exclusive control over his visitor logs and ordered the Secret Service to turn over all copies.


The latest example of Cheney's arrogance is his decision to exempt himself from an executive order that sets rules and oversight for executive-branch officials who handle classified documents.


After filing reports in 2001 and 2002, Cheney stopped. In 2004, according to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, his staff blocked an inspection by the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office.


Why'd they do that? At first, Cheney's office suggested to the Chicago Tribune that Cheney wasn't subject to President Bush's order because he wasn't only part of the executive branch; he also holds a legislative office as president of the Senate. But that argument passes neither the laugh test nor basic civics.


Now the White House contends that President Bush never intended the 26-page order to apply to the vice president. Never mind that the order specifies "any entity within the executive branch that comes into possession of classified information."


This "intent" dodge is an interesting excuse and one that any citizen who writes a letter or signs a contract might want to invoke: The language might say one thing, but I meant something else.


For an administration bent on expanding executive power, this is part of a pattern. Bush has frequently signed laws and simultaneously issued "signing statements" signaling his intention to ignore parts of the legislation he's just enacted.


Though Cheney's office selectively leaked classified material to buttress the administration's case for invading Iraq, the controversy over security procedures isn't really whether Cheney is being irresponsible with classified documents. He has broad power to classify and declassify. But exempting himself from reasonable restrictions and safeguards on a "trust me" basis simply says that he considers himself to be above the law and his actions to be beyond review.


Administration defenders should stop to think: Would they really want a Democratic president and vice president to take such an elastic view of the law if the White House changes hands next year?


Whichever party is in power, it's hard to imagine a surer way for leaders to get the country in trouble than to mix arrogance with secrecy.
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Wow....I didn't know that people considered USA Today right leaning. I would disagree and say that USA Today is milquetoast middle of the road paper with a good sports page.
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Wow....I didn't know that people considered USA Today right leaning.
First time I ever heard that either. Al Neuwirth, the publisher, is a major Dem supporter.

As to the story, is anyone surprised by anything written about Cheney?
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Wow....I didn't know that people considered USA Today right leaning. I would disagree and say that USA Today is milquetoast middle of the road paper with a good sports page.
A little silly to pan the credibility of the source for stating the obvious, isn't it?
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Old 06-26-2007, 11:53 AM   #5 (permalink)
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A little silly to pan the credibility of the source for stating the obvious, isn't it?
Not when it is the only defense you have.
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A little silly to pan the credibility of the source for stating the obvious, isn't it?
I didn't do that.

I was refering to the idealogical bent of the USA Today (and the fact that they have a good sports page).
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I like how the thread has been changed from what Cheney has or has not done to whether USA Today is right or left leaning. Can't we just agree that Cheney is (see below) and move on?

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A little silly to pan the credibility of the source for stating the obvious, isn't it?
that's an interesting angle
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I didn't do that.

I was refering to the idealogical bent of the USA Today (and the fact that they have a good sports page).
Ah, perhaps not, but I take your comments with an angle of defense of your hero, who I consider as the most sinister, dangerous, anti-American force in the country today. I mean anti-American in the sense of undermining our national self-interest and the nation's founding principles, not in the sense of your perception of which poorly reasoned near term actions appear as pro-American.

This series is a little less "milquetoasty" ==> Angler
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Ah, perhaps not, but I take your comments with an angle of defense of your hero, who I consider as the most sinister, dangerous, anti-American force in the country today. I mean anti-American in the sense of undermining our national self-interest and the nation's founding principles, not in the sense of your perception of which poorly reasoned near term actions appear as pro-American.

This series is a little less "milquetoasty" ==> Angler
I don't dispute the USA Today reporting.
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I don't dispute the USA Today reporting.
Ya, I understand. I was over reading. Nonetheless, Cheney is the .
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If he were interested in running, that sticker would accurately represent Cheney manning both executive positions ... again.
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The long march of Dick Cheney

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If he were interested in running, that sticker would accurately represent Cheney manning both executive positions ... again.


I have that on the back of one of our trucks...

To all the tough guys on this board... If you ever see a white Ram with that sticker between Northville, Southfield, Dearborn, or Mad. Heights feel free to voice your opinions about me in person.
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I have that on the back of one of our trucks...

To all the tough guys on this board... If you ever see a white Ram with that sticker between Northville, Southfield, Dearborn, or Mad. Heights feel free to voice your opinions about me in person.
Aren't you afraid of being keyed or worse - some people think that being anti-Bush or Cheney is the same as being anti-American?
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Senate Judiciary Committee today subpoenaed the White House and Vice President Dick Cheney's office for documents relating to President Bush's warrant-free eavesdropping program.

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Aren't you afraid of being keyed or worse - some people think that being anti-Bush or Cheney is the same as being anti-American?
Those people would be morons.

Quite the contrary... People are CONSTANTLY asking where I got it. I should order a few hundred and give them away to the askers.

If someone wants to key one of our company trucks... who cares.

ONLY a ***** attacks a vehicle.
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Those people would be morons.
Just look at the past presidential election and the campaigns to illustrate the my concern about putting anti-Bush and Cheney stickers on your vehicles.
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Just look at the past presidential election and the campaigns to illustrate the my concern about putting anti-Bush and Cheney stickers on your vehicles.
Nothing more fun than pulling just ahead of a "w" sticker and showing them mine.

If the best they can do is key one of our trucks then...
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