Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - More hypocrisy from the U.S.

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Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime


By Evan Wallach
Sunday, November 4, 2007; B01

As a JAG in the Nevada National Guard, I used to lecture the soldiers of the 72nd Military Police Company every year about their legal obligations when they guarded prisoners. I'd always conclude by saying, "I know you won't remember everything I told you today, but just remember what your mom told you: Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." That's a pretty good standard for life and for the law, and even though I left the unit in 1995, I like to think that some of my teaching had carried over when the 72nd refused to participate in misconduct at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.
Sometimes, though, the questions we face about detainees and interrogation get more specific. One such set of questions relates to "waterboarding."
That term is used to describe several interrogation techniques. The victim may be immersed in water, have water forced into the nose and mouth, or have water poured onto material placed over the face so that the liquid is inhaled or swallowed. The media usually characterize the practice as "simulated drowning." That's incorrect. To be effective, waterboarding is usually real drowning that simulates death. That is,
the victim experiences the sensations of drowning: struggle, panic, breath-holding, swallowing, vomiting, taking water into the lungs and, eventually, the same feeling of not being able to breathe that one experiences after being punched in the gut. The main difference is that the drowning process is halted. According to those who have studied waterboarding's effects, it can cause severe psychological trauma, such as panic attacks, for years.
The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government -- whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community -- has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime

[John Deere]

We're with you, No_Dikky 1,000,000%! It's good to see reasonable Americans standing up for the no torture under any circumstances position. You should be commended.

The only reason that we ever tortured, starved, or cut off the heads of U.S. POWs and/or innocent Jews and/or U.S. sympathizers is due to the fact we know that the U.S. is a worse torturer than us. We only did it because the terrible, terrible U.S. does it.

Water Boarding is far, far more terrible than starvating, having your head cut off, solitary confinement for long periods in dark rooms, or multiple severe beatings.

Signed,

The Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, the North Koreans, the North VietNamese, and Al Qaeda.

[go_disc_golf]

banya = blind follower

[John Deere]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

banya = blind follower

No_Dikky = blind follower of Karl Marx and totalitarian regimes

[Feckweed]

Manufacturing and possessing alcohol used to be a crime....go disc probably drinks alcohol....go disc = hypocrite

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

Manufacturing and possessing alcohol used to be a crime....go disc probably drinks alcohol....go disc = hypocrite

You suck at analogies..


What you should have said was this:

Go disc used to persecute others for drinking, but then when it served his purpose, he drank himself. go disc = hypocrite.

THAT analogy would fit this situation....

Free lesson, son.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

You suck at analogies..


What you should have said was this:

Go disc used to persecute others for drinking, but then when it served his purpose, he drank himself. go disc = hypocrite.

THAT analogy would fit this situation....

Free lesson, son.

Go disc used to persecute others for drinking??

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

Go disc used to persecute others for drinking??

I'll take your dodge as an apology.. Think harder next time before replying, you'll save yourself some embarrassment.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

I'll take your dodge as an apology.. Think harder next time before replying, you'll save yourself some embarrassment.

What dodge? It used to be a crime to possess alcohol, you now possess alcohol...by your own standards you are a hypocrite

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

What dodge? It used to be a crime to possess alcohol, you now possess alcohol...by your own standards you are a hypocrite

classic fweed, someone goes out of his way to explain how and why his analogy stinks and he plays the childish ..

Good luck with that, I'm sure it will serve very well in life.

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by ****weed

What dodge? It used to be a crime to possess alcohol, you now possess alcohol...by your own standards you are a hypocrite

The problem is that waterboarding still is a crime.

So, I don't understand where you are taking this.

Why don't you address the administrations inability to say whether waterboarding is being used and therefore whether they are violating International law and the U.S. Constitution.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

The problem is that waterboarding still is a crime.

So, I don't understand where you are taking this.

Why don't you address the administrations inability to say whether waterboarding is being used and therefore whether they are violating International law and the U.S. Constitution.

If it's still a crime, then why did the author of this post claim it "used" to be a crime

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

Why don't you address

You just lost him...

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by Lenin's Tomb

The problem is that waterboarding still is a crime.

So, I don't understand where you are taking this.

Why don't you address the administrations inability to say whether waterboarding is being used and therefore whether they are violating International law and the U.S. Constitution.

Originally Posted by fhead

If it's still a crime, then why did the author of this post claim it "used" to be a crime

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

You just lost him...

told ya.

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

You just lost him...

Says the fool whose thread title just got discredited by the same poster

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

told ya.

So did it used to be a crime as you originally stated, or not

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

Says the fool whose thread title just got discredited by the same poster

Yeah, ummm... I'm not sure what you mean, but someone is asking you to actually address the issue..

You gonna do that? or will you just continue to be your dooshbag self?

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

So did it used to be a crime as you originally stated, or not

I linked an article, care to discuss it like a grown up?

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

I linked an article, care to discuss it like a grown up?

I tried discussing the last article you linked, but when I did you brought up Chavez instead, idiot

[Feckweed]

Originally Posted by go_disc_golf

Yeah, ummm... I'm not sure what you mean, but someone is asking you to actually address the issue..

You gonna do that? or will you just continue to be your dooshbag self?

You gonna answer the question? Did it used to be a crime, or didn't it? How can I discuss something when your entire premise is wrong

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by ****weed

I tried discussing the last article you linked, but when I did you brought up Chavez instead, idiot

Didn't think so, doing so wouldn't be you.


G' Night!

[Lenin's Tomb]

Originally Posted by ****weed

You gonna answer the question? Did it used to be a crime, or didn't it? How can I discuss something when your entire premise is wrong

It has been and still is a crime. I think the authors point is that waterboarding has long been taught to be a crime in the military, but the current administration seems to think there is some legal gray area here because the practice doesn't damage organs or something. And you get a potential Attorney General that is unwilling to directly answer a question about the practice when asked by the U.S. Congress.

[Nommad]

Originally Posted by HubbardHall85

We're with you, No_Dikky 1,000,000%! It's good to see reasonable Americans standing up for the no torture under any circumstances position. You should be commended.

The only reason that we ever tortured, starved, or cut off the heads of U.S. POWs and/or innocent Jews and/or U.S. sympathizers is due to the fact we know that the U.S. is a worse torturer than us. We only did it because the terrible, terrible U.S. does it.

Water Boarding is far, far more terrible than starvating, having your head cut off, solitary confinement for long periods in dark rooms, or multiple severe beatings.

Signed,

The Nazis, the Imperial Japanese, the North Koreans, the North VietNamese, and Al Qaeda.

So the U.S. shouldn't be any better than the evil regimes we fight against? If that's the case, we become no better than they are. And then we have already lost what we are fighting for.

I know you won't understand....but it still needs to be said.