FOX News' fake civilian panel

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Anyone watch the Fox Debates last night? At the end they go to Hannity in the No SPin Zone (altho Brit Hume said "Spin Zone")...where Fred Luntz is in a room full of average people who watched the debates.

It was so obvious these people were staged and/or actors. They all had little scripts they read....too obvious. And then they declare Fred Thompson the obvious winner.... And say Ron Paul is the obvious loser.

Fox did a good job of attempting to make Paul look stupid, too bad there was a good constituency of Paul supporters in the audience.

[Island of misfit toys]

That wasn't last night!? Anyway, I saw that. What does it take to make peoples' blood boil!?

After the debates, they had this little focus group, or whatever you call it and Thompson was the big winner and at the end...Paul was the consensus loser. Later on, however, they showed a poll saying many felt Paul had won!

Did you catch how mad Hume got when Paul began to answer his leading question, questioning the judgment of the ship commanders in not shooting at those speed boats? Hume stops Paul, claiming that all the 'gates of hell'/
'72 virgins' answers were passivity. It was he, Brit Hume, who made is sound as if the commanders had been weak.

[chachi]

Magically, last night, 500 Paul signs popped up due to someone's boredom.

Earlier in the day a few hundred popped up because his girlfriend was bored.

Many people left church yesterday with "slim jims" to welcome them.

The people placing the signs got honked at like chicks in bikinis.

The message is sound. the message is out. win or lose, apathy is taking a beating.

Someones hands hurt.

A roof top got a 10' x 20' sign directly in the flight path at Metro Airport.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by chachi

Magically, last night, 500 Paul signs popped up due to someone's boredom.

Earlier in the day a few hundred popped up because his girlfriend was bored.

Many people left church yesterday with "slim jims" to welcome them.

The people placing the signs got honked at like chicks in bikinis.

The message is sound. the message is out. win or lose, apathy is taking a beating.

Someones hands hurt.

A roof top got a 10' x 20' sign directly in the flight path at Metro Airport.

I'm not worthy. I support him on a message board...

[chachi]

Madison Heights took 30 of them for lack of permit... now someone has to pay $70 to get them back.

[TurboSpartan]

That was just a repeat, the debate first aired last Thursday night.

Yeah it is UNBELIEVABLE the way FoxNews jobbed him. Questions like "Electability- do you have any?" from their cheif political correspondant (Carl Cameron) who was one of the moderators. And Hume takes him out of context to totally mischaracterize what he said about Iran, and basically start debating against him. I mean are you kidding me?

And despite that, he gets 32% (highest of anyone) on the viewer poll, next guy up (Thompson) gets 22%. But oh no, according to their hand-picked panel of a dozen or so people, Thompson won.

And what was their story the next day? Thompson wins debate. Uh, OK

Then if you watched Special Report on their network the next day they totally ignored him and one analyst even called the debate a "field of five" naming everyone but Paul.

[IMrightURwrong]

Just because a whole lot of losers who spend their time online and calling in radio talk shows support Ron Paul, doesn't mean anyone else does. See national polls (they actually go out and find real people that aren't playing Risk in their bedrooms.)

[PRStoetzer]

Originally Posted by chachi

Magically, last night, 500 Paul signs popped up due to someone's boredom.

Earlier in the day a few hundred popped up because his girlfriend was bored.

Many people left church yesterday with "slim jims" to welcome them.

The people placing the signs got honked at like chicks in bikinis.

The message is sound. the message is out. win or lose, apathy is taking a beating.

Someones hands hurt.

A roof top got a 10' x 20' sign directly in the flight path at Metro Airport.

Let's see the actual election results. Ron Paul supporters are loud and obnoxious, but they don't number a whole lot.

[EComCon]

just FOX being FOX

YouTube - Fox News and Frank Luntz caught red-handed!

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by IMrightURwrong

Just because a whole lot of losers who spend their time online and calling in radio talk shows support Ron Paul, doesn't mean anyone else does. See national polls (they actually go out and find real people that aren't playing Risk in their bedrooms.)

Alright now, take note, you started it with the name-calling and all. Now, listen you POS, take a look at the title of the thread, it's not about Ron Paul's supporters, it's about a major news outlet influencing the election by willfully disparaging one of the candidates. Might be a little difficult for you to grasp, but you just sit there at home and think about it a little while. Even decent, fair-minded people who don't care for Paul can still care about the MSM trying to influence elections according to their own biases. If there's anything more I can do to humiliate you for your inability to discern the relevant issues, you just let me know.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

Let's see the actual election results. Ron Paul supporters are loud and obnoxious, but they don't number a whole lot.

And your point is...(not the one at the top of your head), people shouldn't try to support Paul because he'll probably lose? Is there more brilliant insight you can share with us?

[IMrightURwrong]

Originally Posted by '86

Alright now, take note, you started it with the name-calling and all. Now, listen you POS, take a look at the title of the thread, it's not about Ron Paul's supporters, it's about a major news outlet influencing the election by willfully disparaging one of the candidates. Might be a little difficult for you to grasp, but you just sit there at home and think about it a little while. Even decent, fair-minded people who don't care for Paul can still care about the MSM trying to influence elections according to their own biases. If there's anything more I can do to humiliate you for your inability to discern the relevant issues, you just let me know.

Kind of like how the MSM called Hillary "inevitable" and McCain's campaign over? Or how Mike Huckabee was getting about as much coverage as Ron Paul until evangelicals started drumming up support for him. Or maybe how the MSM was positive Obama was going to win NH.

Let's stop giving the MSM so much credit. It's still the American people who decide and they're showing themselves to be remarkably independent. You ought to give them more credit. We're apparently not mindless lemmings who simply do what the media tells us to.

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by IMrightURwrong

Kind of like how the MSM called Hillary "inevitable" and McCain's campaign over? Or how Mike Huckabee was getting about as much coverage as Ron Paul until evangelicals started drumming up support for him. Or maybe how the MSM was positive Obama was going to win NH.

Let's stop giving the MSM so much credit. It's still the American people who decide and they're showing themselves to be remarkably independent. You ought to give them more credit. We're apparently not mindless lemmings who simply do what the media tells us to.

This is a better way for us to talk to each other.

Some of us have been chronicling Fox's shenanigans for awhile:

- bringing Bill Kristol of the ever popular Weekly Standard onto one of their programs to call him a 'crackpot' and the like. Also to criticize this member of the party of personal responsibility and govenmental nonintervention in peoples' private lives for not wanting to do enough to help the poor.

- excluding him from the New Hampshire forum even though he polled twice that of Giuliani in Iowa and was the largest fundraiser of the last quarter- 10 term Republican congressman.

- Carl Cameron's question to him...if you would like to defend that, what could I possibly share with you about fairness? Did you see Brit Hume's eyes pop out of his head in one of the earlier debates when Paul brought up Israel's nuclear weaponry and her ability to defend herself? How did you like his leading question in the South Carolina debate questioning the judgment of those ships' commanders? Did you notice how agitated Hume got when Paul called the others (that would have to be Hume and the other candidates) out for their rush to judgment and threatening responses? Did you notice how Hume stopped Paul as he was speaking and began to debate with him, himself?

Why don't you let the rest of us decide for ourselves what to think about the MSM? I seriously, seriously doubt you've got the slightest clue as to why McCain's campaign has done a one-eighty. You've got your opinions, fine, state them. But, I'm probably not alone in believing your opinions aren't of much value.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by EComCon

just FOX being FOX

YouTube - Fox News and Frank Luntz caught red-handed!

wow. you got less than nothing.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by '86

- Carl Cameron's question to him...if you would like to defend that, what could I possibly share with you about fairness? .

what was wrong with the question?

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by tuff bob

what was wrong with the question?

There have always been longshots hanging around in presidential races. I've never once seen them disrespected like that. He's a longshot, everybody knows that, Carl Cameron knows it, Paul knows it, the other five know it, you know it and I know it. So, why all of a sudden, after the NH Republican party had to withdraw their support for Fox's last debates for their refusal to let him participate, why does Carl Cameron have to underscore what we already know, the man is a longshot. Ask him about his opinions about the issues, we don't need debate moderators implying that he doesn't even belong there.

I forgot one more incident of Fox's bull****, trying to get him to condemn the 9/11 Truthers. Paul handled it masterfully, he denied belief in the conspiracy theories and then pleaded for and took the opportunity to speak about economic issues, which had been the subject at hand.

Do you care that Fox has been opposing this man's campaign? Is that what you want from a media outlet that professes to help YOU to decide? Can you put your own opinions and preferences on the back burner and look objectively at the issue of fairness? He's a longshot. Why not let the process deal with unpopular candidates? Why accept the heavy hand of Fox tampering with an all important institutional process?

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Originally Posted by EComCon

just FOX being FOX

YouTube - Fox News and Frank Luntz caught red-handed!

I had never seen this before and have no proof these people were actors....but they appeared way too much to be actors. They all had prepared comments as if someone had fed them some lines. You didn't see the people actually thinking about what they were saying, it seemed very scripted.

Fox obviously has an agenda...and it's very discouraging to think the media is pretending to be fair and balanced yet they are as crooked as some 3rd world dictator's gov't run media.

You can argue about CNN having some bias, but they don't have an agenda. They don't play tricks to sway opinion. They don't LIE.

Thank god for the internet because I think these news outlets are going to be less and less influential as people get pissed off with the options they are given.

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Originally Posted by tuff bob

what was wrong with the question?

It was insulting? And it was an attempt to make Paul look foolish?

It's like asking Fred Thompson about his prostate.

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by Last Post

You can argue about CNN having some bias, but they don't have an agenda. They don't play tricks to sway opinion. They don't LIE.

Digging out more CNN/YouTube plants: Abortion questioner is declared Edwards supporter (and a slobbering Anderson Cooper fan); Log Cabin Republican questioner is declared Obama supporter; lead toy questioner is a prominent union activist for the Edwards-endorsing United Steelworkers

By Michelle Malkin • November 29, 2007 12:47 AM
Update: New - Muslim questioner was a former CAIR intern.
Update: CNN on the defensive. CNN’s Glenn Beck comments here.
Update: The foliage keeps blooming…a questioner working with Dick Durbin’s staff and a Richardson supporter masquerading as a Paulbot… and a former Jane Harman intern…and the “Blind Black Republican satirist” (a milder species, but still, all in the same family).
***
The best thing about Republicans agreeing to do the CNN/YouTube debate is that it created yet another invaluable opportunity to expose CNN’s abject incompetence.
Retired Brig. Gen./gays in the military lobbyist/Hillary-Kerry supporter Keith H. Kerr wasn’t the only plant at the CNN/YouTube debate. The plant uncovering is in full-swing over at Free Republic.
Example: “Journey,” a.k.a. “Paperserenade,” the girl who asked an abortion question, is a declared John Edwards supporter.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by PRStoetzer

Let's see the actual election results. Ron Paul supporters are loud and obnoxious, but they don't number a whole lot.

Up yours chump.

At least I get off of my ass and participate to do what I believe is best for the country.

I am an American, I am a patriot.

What have you done for the country or it's processes lately?

[Bob Sakimano]

Fox News..

[tuff bob]

Originally Posted by chachi

What have you done for the country or it's processes lately?

like a true patriot, i snuck into the country illegally and am taking up a good american job

[Island of misfit toys]

Originally Posted by Bob Sakimano

Fox News..

Oh, we're getting closer...

[trash]

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Originally Posted by tuff bob

Digging out more CNN/YouTube plants: Abortion questioner is declared Edwards supporter (and a slobbering Anderson Cooper fan); Log Cabin Republican questioner is declared Obama supporter; lead toy questioner is a prominent union activist for the Edwards-endorsing United Steelworkers

By Michelle Malkin • November 29, 2007 12:47 AM
Update: New - Muslim questioner was a former CAIR intern.
Update: CNN on the defensive. CNN’s Glenn Beck comments here.
Update: The foliage keeps blooming…a questioner working with Dick Durbin’s staff and a Richardson supporter masquerading as a Paulbot… and a former Jane Harman intern…and the “Blind Black Republican satirist” (a milder species, but still, all in the same family).
***
The best thing about Republicans agreeing to do the CNN/YouTube debate is that it created yet another invaluable opportunity to expose CNN’s abject incompetence.
Retired Brig. Gen./gays in the military lobbyist/Hillary-Kerry supporter Keith H. Kerr wasn’t the only plant at the CNN/YouTube debate. The plant uncovering is in full-swing over at Free Republic.
Example: “Journey,” a.k.a. “Paperserenade,” the girl who asked an abortion question, is a declared John Edwards supporter.

Yeah, but it's not organized by CNN. CNN didn't hire Frank Luntz to bring in a bunch of actors to sway voters. Did they?

There's nothing CNN can do to prevent organizations from planting people in open debates.

I'll agree CNN has a slant. But they don't manipulate and lie like Fox does.

Does it not scare you that some foreigner is trying to manipulate the US political process and has that much power???

CNN may have a slant, but it's more like a Hannity slant, it's out there and obvious. They aren't using actors to lie to people.