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[SpartanStu]

The US spends $50 billion on the war on drugs a year. Illegal drugs are 8% of world wide products sold and that illegal drug use remains unchanged since the inception of the war on drugs...

30 x 50 = $1.5 Trillion

[Todd Farkman]

we need to legalize drugs. the amount of crime associated with drug trafficking and users who steal/kill to get money/drugs is much worse than the issues we could resolve with legalized drugs.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Todd Farkman

we need to legalize drugs. the amount of crime associated with drug trafficking and users who steal/kill to get money/drugs is much worse than the issues we could resolve with legalized drugs.

We could also recoup $1.5 Trillion in tax revenue in less time it took to spend 1.5.

There would also be a serious need to stop a slingshot effect of non users trying/gorgeing on the now legal drugs. Even so It seems that that money could be better spent on other things.

Not to mention the amount of spent on jailed/imprisoned low level dealers and users.

[greenjoker]

All addicts should be supplied with all the drugs they require for free and given a cot to enjoy their trips.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by greenjoker

All addicts should be supplied with all the drugs they require for free and given a cot to enjoy their trips.

I thought that was what co-ops at MSU were for! ahahhahaha

[Voodoo76]

Just another part of the "War on our Wallets" (WOOW). In addition to the law enforcement cost fines associated with drug busts for even small quantities of weed are a big revenue source.

[bukdow]

Originally Posted by Voodoo76

Just another part of the "War on our Wallets" (WOOW). In addition to the law enforcement cost fines associated with drug busts for even small quantities of weed are a big revenue source.

Bingo. The prison industry is a huge part of the American economy.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Voodoo76

Just another part of the "War on our Wallets" (WOOW). In addition to the law enforcement cost fines associated with drug busts for even small quantities of weed are a big revenue source.

Fines are big income for local government. DUI fines alone must be huge. Has anyone ever looked those up? But still, tax revenue alone surely would outweigh fines collected.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

Fines are big income for local government. DUI fines alone must be huge. Has anyone ever looked those up? But still, tax revenue alone surely would outweigh fines collected.

plus local municipalities, counties, and states wouldn't need as many cops. I believe something like 1/3 or 2/3 of all serious crimes are in some what drug-related. Legalization would eliminate a LOT of that crime. Big drop in crime means less cops are needed.

[greenjoker]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

plus local municipalities, counties, and states wouldn't need as many cops. I believe something like 1/3 or 2/3 of all serious crimes are in some what drug-related. Legalization would eliminate a LOT of that crime. Big drop in crime means less cops are needed.

Plus less prisons, less judges, lower insurance rates, more people available for lower paying jobs, etc. etc.

[War-Spartans]

Lets not assume that legalization means happier, safer drug addicts There will still be plenty of crime going around just not drug turf type crime.... I'm all for legalizing some drugs but all of the problems associated with them aren't going to disappear...

[MuskyMelon]

This thread makes me laugh, and understand why the liberal mind is a scary thing.

Lets see. Legalize drugs and:

1. no laws, no crime.
2. no crime, no prisons.
3. no prisons, no police needed.
4. no police, no justices or legal system.
5. all is good in the world.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

This thread makes me laugh, and understand why the liberal mind is a scary thing.

Lets see. Legalize drugs and:

1. no laws, no crime.
2. no crime, no prisons.
3. no prisons, no police needed.
4. no police, no justices or legal system.
5. all is good in the world.

I never said that any of your mentioned points would happen with legal drugs.

Certainly crime would not go away because of legal drugs. Plenty of dumb people would get lit up, pulled over and arrested for DUI of some sort. They would get jail time and fines.

Prisons would still be needed. They would just be less crowded.

Correct me if Im wrong but doesn't the US have the highest percentage of jailed citizens in all the world? Or at least one of the top 10?

$50 billion/yr spent and no change in usage provides no value to the country.

[Donnyrotten]

After seeing pictures of US marines walking right by poppy fields in Afghanistan, and knowing poppy production has risen to record levels (since we got there) shouldnt pay any attention to anything the Govt does or says about drugs.

The drug war is all about keeping prices high so the CIA can make more covert money.

Anybody who disagrees with the above needs a lobotomy.

[MuskyMelon]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

I never said that any of your mentioned points would happen with legal drugs.

Certainly crime would not go away because of legal drugs. Plenty of dumb people would get lit up, pulled over and arrested for DUI of some sort. They would get jail time and fines.

Prisons would still be needed. They would just be less crowded.

Correct me if Im wrong but doesn't the US have the highest percentage of jailed citizens in all the world? Or at least one of the top 10?

$50 billion/yr spent and no change in usage provides no value to the country.

How do we know what the country's annual drug usage is, and if its unchanged or not? Just curious.

[SD Spartan]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

This thread makes me laugh, and understand why the liberal mind is a scary thing.

Lets see. Legalize drugs and:

1. no laws, no crime.
2. no crime, no prisons.
3. no prisons, no police needed.
4. no police, no justices or legal system.
5. all is good in the world.

It really isn't a leftie thing. As a true conservative I want Government out of peoples lives..I dont get where the modern day republicans have strayed so far from what "conservative" means. People should be able to choose to do whatever they want so long as they are not hurting someone else. It is not the governments job to tell people how to live.

If it wasn't for the stupid dipsh@t democrats, I sometimes wish for the republican party to lose just so we can start over with a real conservative party

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by War-Spartans

Lets not assume that legalization means happier, safer drug addicts There will still be plenty of crime going around just not drug turf type crime.... I'm all for legalizing some drugs but all of the problems associated with them aren't going to disappear...

of course not. There will ALWAYS be crime. However, the majority of drug related crime is not the crackhead trying to mug a guy on the street to get money to support his habit. The majority of the crime is turf type crime. Legalization would cut drug dealers and gangs off at the knees. If users can get their drugs from CVS or someplace like that legally (and probably cheaper even with HEAVY taxation), they wouldn't even bother going to get some from a dealer illegally.

Without that income, street gangs and organized crime will SUFFER. Drugs represent a major source of their income.

[Lochgelly]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

This thread makes me laugh, and understand why the liberal mind is a scary thing.

Lets see. Legalize drugs and:

1. no laws, no crime.
2. no crime, no prisons.
3. no prisons, no police needed.
4. no police, no justices or legal system.
5. all is good in the world.

Well let's see...under your logic we should outlaw tobacco and alcohol...

Oh wait we did?

How did that work out?

Signed,



Al Capone

[MuskyMelon]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

Well let's see...under your logic we should outlaw tobacco and alcohol...

Oh wait we did?

How did that work out?

Signed,



Al Capone

Not my logic Cracker, I summarized all the liberal statements in this thread, learn to read

[MuskyMelon]

Originally Posted by SD Spartan

It really isn't a leftie thing. As a true conservative I want Government out of peoples lives..I dont get where the modern day republicans have strayed so far from what "conservative" means. People should be able to choose to do whatever they want so long as they are not hurting someone else. It is not the governments job to tell people how to live.

If it wasn't for the stupid dipsh@t democrats, I sometimes wish for the republican party to lose just so we can start over with a real conservative party

Modern Day These drugs, except the newer models, i.e. meth, have been illegal for quite some time, in case you haven't noticed.

[MuskyMelon]

Originally Posted by wingfanjim

of course not. There will ALWAYS be crime. However, the majority of drug related crime is not the crackhead trying to mug a guy on the street to get money to support his habit. The majority of the crime is turf type crime. Legalization would cut drug dealers and gangs off at the knees. If users can get their drugs from CVS or someplace like that legally (and probably cheaper even with HEAVY taxation), they wouldn't even bother going to get some from a dealer illegally.

Without that income, street gangs and organized crime will SUFFER. Drugs represent a major source of their income.

Seriously Wing, what would the drug dealers and gangs do, turn into productive citizens

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

Seriously Wing, what would the drug dealers and gangs do, turn into productive citizens

no...I never said that. They would probably move on to different rackets. Old ones like prostitution and illegal gambling...the same stuff they've done for years. However, the BIG money post-prohibition has been in drugs. If you limit their ability to make money you limit their ability to gain access to heavy weaponry, and to influence crooked law enforcement and other officials.

You'll never get rid of gangs and organize crime. However, the best way to control them is to take away their biggest sources of income. Drugs happen to be the biggest by far.

[Lochgelly]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

Not my logic Cracker, I summarized all the liberal statements in this thread, learn to read

Stop acting like you cannot IMPLY something from your posts.

[MuskyMelon]

Originally Posted by Lochgelly

Stop acting like you cannot IMPLY something from your posts.

Stop making **** up, and acting a fool all your adult life.

[wingfanjim]

Originally Posted by MuskyMelon

Stop making **** up, and acting a fool all your adult life.