How and when will the Republicans win the the Iraq War?

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

Iraq will be ready when we tell them to be ready

or we'll kill them until they get ready

nino,

Is your posting style satisfying?

I can't imagine it is.

You throw out some crap. Get it rammed back into your face. Then you find another pile and start throwing.

Are you deluded enough to think you are changing anyone's mind?

If that isn't your goal, what is?

Why do you bother?

[greenjoker]

Democracy in Iraq = Green Zone, Freedom in World = UN Headquarters in NYC.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by greenjoker

Democracy in Iraq = Green Zone, Freedom in World = UN Headquarters in NYC.

Please put that as your sig. It will ensure no one ever takes you seriously.

Thanks.

[oscar novak]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Maybe polynikes and Oscar will go over there and win the war for the GOP

I don't understand this GOP business. Have you bothered to look at ANY of the OIF-related votes in the past several years? And I have mentioned before, my Democrat relatives are there and they believe in what they are doing.

[oscar novak]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

In other breaking news, the world is flat, the Easter Bunny is vacationing next door, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are in the same darts league at my local watering hole.

Its is this kind of blind thinking that has more people identifying with Democrats compared to 2004 and more registered by 5% compared to 2004 when it was 50/50.

Why don't you try explaining this stuff instead of just hurling the company line out there with nothing to back it up except the occasional quote from a 2003 NYT story? What about anything in my post suggests "blindness"? Is any of it factually incorrect? Please explain to me where any of it is factually incorrect and provide something other than opinion.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

False. False, and more false.

Iraq oil production: BBC NEWS | Business | Iraqi oil exceeds pre-war output

From the IEA

Oil Production

In 2006, Iraq’s upstream crude oil production under the control of the regional state-owned oil companies averaged 2.0 million barrels per day (bbl/d), down from around 2.6 million bbl/d of production and a nameplate capacity of 2.8 to 3.0 million bbl/d in pre-invasion January 2003. Estimates of Iraq’s current production levels vary and metering systems have been put in place at Basrah to improve export accounting.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/Oil.html

This page conflicts from your BBC info.
Iraq oil exports and revenue up, but production is down… at Iraq Oil Report

This page conflicts from your BBC info too.
Iraq's revival boosted as oil production rises to 2.4m barrels a day - Times Online

This page conflicts with your BBC info as well.
Power cuts plague Iraq, hurt oil production | Reuters

I believe all of these reports are dated after your reference. (except the Gov. info on pre war Iraq oil production.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

How may killings in our country yesterday?

How's our democracy?



That's why you sound like a broken record. You put your hands over your eyes/ears and say, "blah, blah, blah" You should be ashamed of your ignorance.



Stability, you a..wipe?!!!? A brutal dictator? Want some polling data regarding support for the U.S. invasion.



What's the excuse for your party? I want you to show me where Bush made or will make a dime off of Iraq.

One single dime either now or in the future.

DO YOU REALLY THINK that "his buddies" are even in the top 1,000,000,000 reasons Bush went into Iraq?

By the way, your BDS is sickening.

Oh, thanks. I will have a nice day. You could make it better if you educated yourself. Then I wouldn't have to worry about a Spartan embarrassing himself in front of other alumni.

You got it backwards Poly. Bush and Cheney made their money before the invasion. It was paid in the form of political contributions. The residual income will appear in the form of appearance fees, gifts and the lot.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

You got it backwards Poly. Bush and Cheney made their money before the invasion. It was paid in the form of political contributions. The residual income will appear in the form of appearance fees, gifts and the lot.

That's an unfortunate response. Impossible to prove (or disprove).

I just don't see Bush sitting the in the White House in 2003, thinking, "Hey, I'm going to make mad bank if I invade. I'll have to wait until after 2009, but, I'm all set"

Sorry.

I doubt that they'd have any trouble getting speaking gigs. Regardless of your pals, they both rake in the cash at speaking events.

[Spartytruth]

Thank God its over .

Wait - I thought McBain said 2013?

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Forced into democracy?

Please show one credible link, one instance, or one credible person even IMPLYING that the elections were forced or in ANY WAY coerced.

If you can't, be an adult and apologize.

Thanks.

Let's see, a military force takes over your government, arrests and later kills your leader, drops pamphlets from the sky telling you to vote.

Seriously get inside the head of the average Iraqi. Iraqi's voted in huge numbers only, and I mean only because they felt it was a life and death situation. As I said before the Iraqi's showing their purple thumbs was their way of saying "dont shoot me, I followed your orders and voted."

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

That's an unfortunate response. Impossible to prove (or disprove).

I just don't see Bush sitting the in the White House in 2003, thinking, "Hey, I'm going to make mad bank if I invade. I'll have to wait until after 2009, but, I'm all set"

Sorry.

I doubt that they'd have any trouble getting speaking gigs. Regardless of your pals, they both rake in the cash at speaking events.

No he was sitting with Rummy, and Cheney in 2000 having those discussions. In 2003 it was finalizing the details on how to pitch it to the American public, so they could understand a need to invade Iraq.

And the inability to prove income, favors or benefits is exactly as planned. It would be very easy to hide money in an appearance fee. All you do is show up say a few words into a mic and leave with a fist full of cash.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

From the IEA

Oil Production

In 2006, Iraq’s upstream crude oil production under the control of the regional state-owned oil companies averaged 2.0 million barrels per day (bbl/d), down from around 2.6 million bbl/d of production and a nameplate capacity of 2.8 to 3.0 million bbl/d in pre-invasion January 2003. Estimates of Iraq’s current production levels vary and metering systems have been put in place at Basrah to improve export accounting.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iraq/Oil.html

This page conflicts from your BBC info.
Iraq oil exports and revenue up, but production is down… at Iraq Oil Report

This page conflicts from your BBC info too.
Iraq's revival boosted as oil production rises to 2.4m barrels a day - Times Online

This page conflicts with your BBC info as well.
Power cuts plague Iraq, hurt oil production | Reuters

I believe all of these reports are dated after your reference. (except the Gov. info on pre war Iraq oil production.

Good quotes. They are newer. Sounds like there was a little dropoff from March to April. Things are revving back up again.

Here's a little something even more recent:

Analysis: The new Iraq rebuilding report - UPI.com

Although both crude production and crude exports are above target levels, Iraq is not taking full advantage of higher oil prices," the report said. "Inadequate investment in the infrastructure hindered production and export gains."

Iraq produced an average of 2.38 million barrels per day in the first three months of 2008, exporting an average of 1.97 million bpd, a post-war high, according to the SIGIR report. Exact numbers for oil production and export are impossible as Iraq hasn't implemented the needed modernized oil flow accounting system yet, sometimes putting SIGIR report numbers at odds with Iraqi government, other U.S. government and other international reports

Sounds like there is some trouble getting exact numbers. Further, the Iraqi's think they are going to go to 6,000,000 barrels of production.

This flies in the face of the liberal talking point of: EVERYTHING WAS GREAT IN IRAQ. STABLE. WE'LL NEVER GET THEM BACK TO PREWAR LEVELS.

Here's a little extra fun:

Meanwhile, demand continues to grow at a faster pace than power production and capacity and in first quarter 2008 Iraqis needed 7,882 megawatts per day compared with the 3,985 MW per day supplied, including 225 MW of Iranian and Turkish imports.

Iraq's operating capacity was 4,300 MW in 2003 and is now 10,000 MW. "Approximately 2,200 MW in new and rehabilitated power has been added as a result of U.S.-funded projects," the SIGIR report said, with $4.46 billion spent of the $4.91 billion allocated.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

Let's see, a military force takes over your government, arrests and later kills your leader, drops pamphlets from the sky telling you to vote.

Seriously get inside the head of the average Iraqi. Iraqi's voted in huge numbers only, and I mean only because they felt it was a life and death situation. As I said before the Iraqi's showing their purple thumbs was their way of saying "dont shoot me, I followed your orders and voted."

I guess I don't need to answer him. Apparently invading a nation, overthrowing the government, and installing a new one that's being held together by tape and bubble gum isn't forced

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

No he was sitting with Rummy, and Cheney in 2000 having those discussions. In 2003 it was finalizing the details on how to pitch it to the American public, so they could understand a need to invade Iraq.

God, that's sick. I refuse to believe your assertion. If their personal profit was a factor, it would be so far down the list of reasons to invade, as to make it unmentionable. More likely they realized he had to be dealt with. It's too bad you have this nefarious motive at the top of your list. It's pretty gross to behold your BDS in all it's putrescence.

I would have done it differently. I would have said, "saddam keeps breaking the cease fire our troops died to put in place. Further, he's in bed with terrorists that seek to harm us. I judge the risk of his regime to be too high in this post 9/11 world."

Period.

By the way, Bush and Cheney aren't particularly good salesmen. It would be more factual to say that the American public saw that saddam was a threat and had to be dealt with.

That the democrats, for political advantage, turned their back on the war, doesn't negate the reasons for removing saddam.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

Let's see, a military force takes over your government, arrests and later kills your leader, drops pamphlets from the sky telling you to vote.

Seriously get inside the head of the average Iraqi. Iraqi's voted in huge numbers only, and I mean only because they felt it was a life and death situation. As I said before the Iraqi's showing their purple thumbs was their way of saying "dont shoot me, I followed your orders and voted."

WOW!!! What in the world are you talking about?

I don't know where to go with this one.

Let me get this straight: Your party predicted massive violence from terrorists at the poll. They predicted no one would show. The people had 70+ percent voting rates. They raised their fingers in triumph BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THE AMERICANS WOULD SHOOT THEM????

WTF????

Please provide ANY EVIDENCE OF AMERICAN VIOLENCE AGAINST IRAQI VOTERS REGARDING THE ELECTIONS.

Are you really trying to say that encouraging people to vote is violence?

My God, you are sick.

By the way, I'm still waiting for any evidence of coercion.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn

I guess I don't need to answer him. Apparently invading a nation, overthrowing the government, and installing a new one that's being held together by tape and bubble gum isn't forced

Who installed that government?

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Who installed that government?

We did. Anyway you cut it, we did. It didn't install itself, otherwise it would have without our invasion. We not only forced it upon them, we oversaw how it was implemented.

Does this make Bush the ultimate flip flopper? 3 years after vowing never to engage in nation building, he engages in nation building and a big

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

God, that's sick. I refuse to believe your assertion. If their personal profit was a factor, it would be so far down the list of reasons to invade, as to make it unmentionable. More likely they realized he had to be dealt with. It's too bad you have this nefarious motive at the top of your list. It's pretty gross to behold your BDS in all it's putrescence.

I would have done it differently. I would have said, "saddam keeps breaking the cease fire our troops died to put in place. Further, he's in bed with terrorists that seek to harm us. I judge the risk of his regime to be too high in this post 9/11 world."

Period.

By the way, Bush and Cheney aren't particularly good salesmen. It would be more factual to say that the American public saw that saddam was a threat and had to be dealt with.

That the democrats, for political advantage, turned their back on the war, doesn't negate the reasons for removing saddam.

After reading this i realized you are one of the most gullible and stupid people i have ever heard of, or even about.

The fact people like you (supposedly educated ) are this far out of touch with reality doesnt bode well for this country down the pike.

[chriswyse]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

After reading this i realized you are one of the most gullible and stupid people i have ever heard of, or even about.

The fact people like you (supposedly educated ) are this far out of touch with reality doesnt bode well for this country down the pike.

You should go to you tube and look up John Kerry's pre-war antics. In one interview he say's we should invade Iraq even if they don't have WMD's. John Kerry was more pro-war than George Bush until the Liberals decided to change their mind for political gain.

Bush, Hillary, Kerry all took us into war. Bush is alone in keeping our promise to the Iraqi people. Everyone that wants us to pull out of Iraq should be ashamed of themselves. If you want to know what's happening in Iraq talk to a soilder. They are out there you know. Of course a large percentage volunteer to go back because they feel they are part of something great.

You liberals really need to study war and history a little before you comment on things because you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

[chriswyse]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

After reading this i realized you are one of the most gullible and stupid people i have ever heard of, or even about.

The fact people like you (supposedly educated ) are this far out of touch with reality doesnt bode well for this country down the pike.

You are the one that is far out of touch reality. Gullible and stupid are things that you should aspire to become because they are far above what you are.

Like most liberals instead of giving debate you throw out insults. I know that if I held a position that I couldn't defend I would keep my mouth shut. Sometimes it's better to have everyone think you are any idiot than opening up your mouth and proving it.