How and when will the Republicans win the the Iraq War?

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by greenjoker

They used the media with planted stories and selectively released erroneous data along with the then credible Colin Powell to sell their invasion.

Really?

You still haven't responded to the facts that have been borne out.

Such minor things as: Breaking the cease fire, harboring and supporting terrorism, etc.

At least TRY.

[The Anti - Bob]

How will the United States win the Iraq war?

I didn't know we were losing.

I can't think of a major attack from any organized force against us lately.

It really does suck that it has cost so much in so many ways but we already know what the alternative is.

The only way the United States loses is if there is major attack on our soil.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Really?

You still haven't responded to the facts that have been borne out.

Such minor things as: Breaking the cease fire, harboring and supporting terrorism, etc.

At least TRY.

Question for you Poly....

Saudi Arabia spawned most of the "9/11 highjackers", sends in militants to kill US servicemen in Iraq, and has among the worst human rights record on the planet.

Why does Bush worship them?

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

Question for you Poly....

Saudi Arabia spawned most of the "9/11 highjackers", sends in militants to kill US servicemen in Iraq, and has among the worst human rights record on the planet.

Why does Bush worship them?

No dice. You have plenty of unanswered questions left over from my previous post. You answer them, and we can go off in another direction.

You thought it would be cute to hurl insults out of the blue. Now, it's my turn to expose you for what you are.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

You are full of crap. What is a "deciever?" What does "decietfull" mean? How about "i"? Or, "didnt?"

Ok, try this one on for size: saddam continued to break the cease fire Americans died to put into place.

This wasn't propaganda. It was a solid, irrefutable fact.

That's all it took for me to support the invasion.

Bush spoke about this in detail throughout 2002 and 2003.

Then you can go down the list from there.

THE ONLY THING BUSH WASN'T RIGHT ON ABOUT WAS THE WMD STOCKPILES.

So it's about 55 reasons that panned out like he said versus one that didn't.

I laughed out loud when you tried to make excuses for your party. So let me get this straight, you are absolved from responsibility in Iraq because Bush was a master at propaganda?

I thought he was dumb? I wish you guys would make up your mind.

Second, your definition of Patriotism makes me laugh. You weren't a traitor for supporting the invasion because Bush misled you. However, now you are a Patriot for opposing it?

What a steaming crock of sh...

On a final note, if you disregard the military blood spilled to institute that cease fire, you are as big a fraud as grr Spartan.

By the way, if you are "smart," I'm happy to be called "stupid."

In your little world, Poly, you somehow seem to think the biggest purpose of the US is to act as a sort of referee of world events.
If some country isnt doing what our leaders think it should, we have the right to strangle them with sanctions, threaten them with an invasion, or kick them out of our little social group and tell them to play with others.

You spent entirely to much time watching cartoons as a kid.

A rational person can stand back and look at the contributions of our Allies in this latest effort in Iraq to get a good clue on how righteous it is. Few helped to begin with, and we are basically there alone now.

Are all ouR "allies" wrong to not waste the lives of their soldiers fighting a fight they had no business involved with in the first place, no they have it exactly right.

Bush stands alone as the policemen of the world. He makes decisions that get young men and women killed, and for what?
I mentioned Saudi Arabia. The abuses they have sown on their people are certainly in the same league as Saddam. They are sending in armed fighters as we speak who are tasked with killing US servicemen. Do you not believe this.And Bush loves them.

Unlike You, i take a good look at what is going on, and form an opinion that could care less what my peers think of it. Having been around a while, i am very comfortable calling Bush a traitor, liar, and poor representative of those of us who elected him.

Sooner or later you will figure out this guy doesnt have yours or my best interests in mind. i hope for your sake its sooner rather than later.

I hope ultimately he hangs for what he has done to this country, i would feel uncomfortable with him breathing in some country like Paraguay till a ripe old age.

[spartans134]

Bottom line is, liberty comes before democracy, not vice virsa. This whole "they have a FREE ELECTION, OMG" isn't that big of a deal because it was forced upon by the US.

[Donnyrotten]

Originally Posted by spartans134

Bottom line is, liberty comes before democracy, not vice virsa. This whole "they have a FREE ELECTION, OMG" isn't that big of a deal because it was forced upon by the US.

To break your statement down in two words " Nation Building"


Exactly the reason i voted for him, he swore he wouldnt.

[oscar novak]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

To break your statement down in two words " Nation Building"


Exactly the reason i voted for him, he swore he wouldnt.

So why did you vote for him the second time?

[chriswyse]

Originally Posted by Donnyrotten

I am a 6 year military veteran and actually voted for Bush twice.The later of that statement certainly qualifies me for the stupid category.

The reason i voted for him was because i trusted his judgement at the time regarding Iraq, and furthermore, trusted Powell. Both as it turned out, foolish things to do.

The Democrats and everybody else back in the pre invasion days were so rallied behind the 9/11 attacks we would follow like sheep to avenge those people and anybody thought to be behind the crime.

Anybody who didnt get onboard could have been taken as a traitor back then. You need to remember the mindset of the time. Great propoganda. Goebbels could have learned a lot.

Soon "thinking"people began to come out of the ether, look around and see the faulty and decietfull evidence we were all in lock step with.

No, pre invasion, patriotism didnt reside on one side of the aisle or the other, it washed over all of us.

True patriots now speak out and point the finger at the deciever, and call him what he is, a liar, war monger, and a person who certainly doesnt put US citizens first on his agenda.

Traitors follow him like sheep, down a slow path of ruin.

Most democrats made it a point to say that they were basing thier vote for war on intelligence agency's from half the countries in the world. Hillary said she had talked to members of her husband's staff. They had the same intelligence Bush did.

The thing that I find amazing about the war is people actually thinking we would find WMD's. You act as if Saddam was an idiot. He was in power for a long long time because of his intelligence. Saddam knew that we were coming into Iraq for over a year. Would a man that hated the U.S. and needed to mislead the world keep his WMD's where we could find them? Of course not. I would bet that he spent that year shipping WMD's into neighboring countries (Syria), destroying and hiding what was left. He was a smart man and he knew that we had a large number of suckers (liberals) that he could play to to get us out of his country. All he needed was time. His major miscalculation was George Bush. He had no idea that he was up against a very smart and stubborn man that was not going to give up no matter what kind of liberal dissent he had to put up with.

It would be like a drug dealer knowing the police were coming to his storehouse a week ahead of time and not moving the drugs. That would never happen you say. You're right so why would you think Saddam would keep his WMD's? With them the U.S. can tell the world "See, we told you he had them." Without the WMD's? You see what happened. He played our democratic party like a puppet master. He knew how to mislead the ignorant and he must have known just how weak and ignorant our democratic party was.

[MSU '73]

Originally Posted by chriswyse

Most democrats made it a point to say that they were basing thier vote for war on intelligence agency's from half the countries in the world. Hillary said she had talked to members of her husband's staff. They had the same intelligence Bush did.

The thing that I find amazing about the war is people actually thinking we would find WMD's. You act as if Saddam was an idiot. He was in power for a long long time because of his intelligence. Saddam knew that we were coming into Iraq for over a year. Would a man that hated the U.S. and needed to mislead the world keep his WMD's where we could find them? Of course not. I would bet that he spent that year shipping WMD's into neighboring countries (Syria), destroying and hiding what was left. He was a smart man and he knew that we had a large number of suckers (liberals) that he could play to to get us out of his country. All he needed was time. His major miscalculation was George Bush. He had no idea that he was up against a very smart and stubborn man that was not going to give up no matter what kind of liberal dissent he had to put up with.

It would be like a drug dealer knowing the police were coming to his storehouse a week ahead of time and not moving the drugs. That would never happen you say. You're right so why would you think Saddam would keep his WMD's? With them the U.S. can tell the world "See, we told you he had them." Without the WMD's? You see what happened. He played our democratic party like a puppet master. He knew how to mislead the ignorant and he must have known just how weak and ignorant our democratic party was.

You are so uninformed it is pathetic, but at least you can join you fellow morons oscar novak and polynikes in the "head up your ass club".

The FBI and CIA conducted thousands of hours of interviews with key members of Hussein's staff and had one operative who conducted over a thousand hours of interviews with Saddam Hussein himself.

Just like felllow morons polynikes and oscar novak, evidently you know facts that the FBI and CIA have not discovered. In fact, you contradict what they have stated from their investigations.

Better clue them in, bud.

[chriswyse]

Originally Posted by MSU '73

You are so uninformed it is pathetic, but at least you can join you fellow morons oscar novak and polynikes in the "head up your ass club".

The FBI and CIA conducted thousands of hours of interviews with key members of Hussein's staff and had one operative who conducted over a thousand hours of interviews with Saddam Hussein himself.

Just like felllow morons polynikes and oscar novak, evidently you know facts that the FBI and CIA have not discovered. In fact, you contradict what they have stated from their investigations.

Better clue them in, bud.

What is it that makes you liberals think that we know everything that is going on in our intelligence agencies? Do you think it would be beneficial to U.S. security if the public knew that WMD's were shipped into a hostile country? I'm sure you like to believe that the New York Times know's every U.S. secret and reports them to you but they don't. Sure they will print stories that threaten the safety and security of the U.S. but they don't know everything.

Why is it you liberals seem to be so devoid of common sense? It's as if you grew up so sheltered that you look at things as if you were in a fairy tale. You believe everything the mainstream media puts in your face.

Most of you liberals also have a tendency to hurl personal insults unprovoked. You are also terrible at debating issues without going to a grade school level with your replys.

[GRR Spartan]

Lil wolfy aka chriswyse just can't stay away.

[MSU '73]

Originally Posted by chriswyse

What is it that makes you liberals think that we know everything that is going on in our intelligence agencies? Do you think it would be beneficial to U.S. security if the public knew that WMD's were shipped into a hostile country? I'm sure you like to believe that the New York Times know's every U.S. secret and reports them to you but they don't. Sure they will print stories that threaten the safety and security of the U.S. but they don't know everything.

Why is it you liberals seem to be so devoid of common sense? It's as if you grew up so sheltered that you look at things as if you were in a fairy tale. You believe everything the mainstream media puts in your face.

Most of you liberals also have a tendency to hurl personal insults unprovoked. You are also terrible at debating issues without going to a grade school level with your replys.

You honestly think the bush adminstration would keep quiet if they knew that wmd were actually transferred out of Iraq?

God you righties are a bunch of delusional fools.

You can join polynikes and oscar novak in the official "head up your ass club", bud.

BTW, my references to your grasp of reality are not insults, just statements of irrefutable truth.