How and when will the Republicans win the the Iraq War?

[greenjoker]

Or will that be Bush's ongoing legacy into the next century?

[oscar novak]

Originally Posted by greenjoker

Or will that be Bush's ongoing legacy into the next century?

The war is pretty much won already. I say pretty much won because many of you folks here and your ilk still have the ability to "unwin" it. The only serious threat to Coalition forces (defined as capable of forcing it to retreat) during OIF were naysayers in the US in cahoots with an anti-Bush media. The results, painful and costly as they are, are breathtaking:

1. Removal of one of the most active agents of instability in the world (Saddam)
2. Facilitation of a functional, elected government that replaced a dictatorship
3. Facilitation of a booming economy along with oil production greater than pre-OIF
4. A dramatic drop in support of terrorism across the entire Middle East region
5. The rise of the best-trained COIN and asymmetric warfare fighting force in world history
6. A new ally in what has been the most troublesome region of the world for the past several decades

And I'm not sure why you think only Republicans are participating in OIF. Coalition forces from many nations are of every political and religious stripe.

The strongest enemy was never in Iraq, but it lives here in the states today. It is an army of folks whose political fervor precludes them from seeing the changes in Iraq and surrounding countries, and in many cases precludes them from acknowledging pre-2002 history.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

The war is pretty much won already. I say pretty much won because many of you folks here and your ilk still have the ability to "unwin" it. The only serious threat to Coalition forces (defined as capable of forcing it to retreat) during OIF were naysayers in the US in cahoots with an anti-Bush media. The results, painful and costly as they are, are breathtaking:

1. Removal of one of the most active agents of instability in the world (Saddam)
2. Facilitation of a functional, elected government that replaced a dictatorship
3. Facilitation of a booming economy along with oil production greater than pre-OIF
4. A dramatic drop in support of terrorism across the entire Middle East region
5. The rise of the best-trained COIN and asymmetric warfare fighting force in world history
6. A new ally in what has been the most troublesome region of the world for the past several decades

And I'm not sure why you think only Republicans are participating in OIF. Coalition forces from many nations are of every political and religious stripe.

The strongest enemy was never in Iraq, but it lives here in the states today. It is an army of folks whose political fervor precludes them from seeing the changes in Iraq and surrounding countries, and in many cases precludes them from acknowledging pre-2002 history.

Yeah... Mild public dissent is the greatest threat to our freedom

[go_disc_golf]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

The war is pretty much won already. I say pretty much won because many of you folks here and your ilk still have the ability to "unwin" it. The only serious threat to Coalition forces (defined as capable of forcing it to retreat) during OIF were naysayers in the US in cahoots with an anti-Bush media. The results, painful and costly as they are, are breathtaking:

1. Removal of one of the most active agents of instability in the world (Saddam)
2. Facilitation of a functional, elected government that replaced a dictatorship
3. Facilitation of a booming economy along with oil production greater than pre-OIF
4. A dramatic drop in support of terrorism across the entire Middle East region
5. The rise of the best-trained COIN and asymmetric warfare fighting force in world history
6. A new ally in what has been the most troublesome region of the world for the past several decades

And I'm not sure why you think only Republicans are participating in OIF. Coalition forces from many nations are of every political and religious stripe.

The strongest enemy was never in Iraq, but it lives here in the states today. It is an army of folks whose political fervor precludes them from seeing the changes in Iraq and surrounding countries, and in many cases precludes them from acknowledging pre-2002 history.

[GRR Spartan]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

The war is pretty much won already.

In other breaking news, the world is flat, the Easter Bunny is vacationing next door, Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are in the same darts league at my local watering hole.

Its is this kind of blind thinking that has more people identifying with Democrats compared to 2004 and more registered by 5% compared to 2004 when it was 50/50.

[greenjoker]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

The war is pretty much won already.

It seems hard to convince people people of that fact when lives continue to be lost, troops levels are still above 100,000 and Bush keeps asking for additional monies.

[SpartanStu]

Originally Posted by oscar novak

The war is pretty much won already. I say pretty much won because many of you folks here and your ilk still have the ability to "unwin" it. The only serious threat to Coalition forces (defined as capable of forcing it to retreat) during OIF were naysayers in the US in cahoots with an anti-Bush media. The results, painful and costly as they are, are breathtaking:

1. Removal of one of the most active agents of instability in the world (Saddam)
2. Facilitation of a functional, elected government that replaced a dictatorship
3. Facilitation of a booming economy along with oil production greater than pre-OIF
4. A dramatic drop in support of terrorism across the entire Middle East region
5. The rise of the best-trained COIN and asymmetric warfare fighting force in world history
6. A new ally in what has been the most troublesome region of the world for the past several decades

And I'm not sure why you think only Republicans are participating in OIF. Coalition forces from many nations are of every political and religious stripe.

The strongest enemy was never in Iraq, but it lives here in the states today. It is an army of folks whose political fervor precludes them from seeing the changes in Iraq and surrounding countries, and in many cases precludes them from acknowledging pre-2002 history.

Please list the remaining coalition forces for me...

Points 2-6 are iffy to absolutly wrong.

Iraqi oil production is still below pre war levels.

Iraq may be listed as an ally, but at this point they arent even in a position to defend themselves let alone assist in a different wartime operation.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by SpartanStu

Please list the remaining coalition forces for me...

Points 2-6 are iffy to absolutly wrong.

Iraqi oil production is still below pre war levels.

Iraq may be listed as an ally, but at this point they arent even in a position to defend themselves let alone assist in a different wartime operation.

False. False, and more false.

Iraq oil production: BBC NEWS | Business | Iraqi oil exceeds pre-war output

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by greenjoker

It seems hard to convince people people of that fact when lives continue to be lost, troops levels are still above 100,000 and Bush keeps asking for additional monies.

Look up the word Copperhead. Don't be surprised to see your face pasted on it.

There are always people like you who surrender before victory. Every war, your ancestors have tried to run. I can link literally thousands of quotes from people like you.

Only once in our history have our leaders listened to you.

[ninowesco]

the only way to truly win the war

as it was sold to us (OIF, riiiiight)

is to leave iraq better than it was before we got there

and that isn't going to happen

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

the only way to truly win the war

as it was sold to us (OIF, riiiiight)

is to leave iraq better than it was before we got there

and that isn't going to happen

Don't you ever want to update your talking-points? I thought you and your surrender weenie friends had moved on to "it's too expensive."

I guess I have to take into account the lowest common denominator: YOU.

Let's see: Power levels exceeding prewar levels, oil levels exceeding prewar levels, saddam dead, FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. Real power sharing between the three major political entities.

That's BETTER BY FAR.

Please try to keep up.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Don't you ever want to update your talking-points? I thought you and your surrender weenie friends had moved on to "it's too expensive."

I guess I have to take into account the lowest common denominator: YOU.

Let's see: Power levels exceeding prewar levels, oil levels exceeding prewar levels, saddam dead, FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. Real power sharing between the three major political entities.

That's BETTER BY FAR.

Please try to keep up.

You honestly think it's just going to remain like that once we're gone? These countries need to find democracy themselves, not have it forced on them. The instant something goes wrong, tensions will rise again, it will collapse, there will be a power vacuum, and one large group will take hold and reign supreme after another bloody war. It's almost inevitable.

They'll be back to square one, only with hundreds of thousands of deaths and a lot less money and resources to try again.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Don't you ever want to update your talking-points? I thought you and your surrender weenie friends had moved on to "it's too expensive."

I guess I have to take into account the lowest common denominator: YOU.

Let's see: Power levels exceeding prewar levels, oil levels exceeding prewar levels, saddam dead, FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS. Real power sharing between the three major political entities.

That's BETTER BY FAR.

Please try to keep up.

people strapping bombs to their chest and walking into public squares

blah

blah

blah

we took away the only form of stability those people ever had because we thought they wanted us to

wait, why am I saying we

your courrupt, poisonous, murdering leader took away their stability so that his friends could make millions of dollars

have a nice day

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn

You honestly think it's just going to remain like that once we're gone? These countries need to find democracy themselves, not have it forced on them. The instant something goes wrong, tensions will rise again, it will collapse, there will be a power vacuum, and one large group will take hold and reign supreme after another bloody war. It's almost inevitable.

They'll be back to square one, only with hundreds of thousands of deaths and a lot less money and resources to try again.

Yes, I expect democracy to continue in Iraq. I want you to go back to 1783 and read the predictions the British people had for our democracy.

You are full of crap if you don't think the it's better in Iraq. Want some recent polling data?

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

Yes, I expect democracy to continue in Iraq. I want you to go back to 1783 and read the predictions the British people had for our democracy.

You are full of crap if you don't think the it's better in Iraq. Want some recent polling data?

polling data

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

people strapping bombs to their chest and walking into public squares

How may killings in our country yesterday?

How's our democracy?

blah

blah

blah

That's why you sound like a broken record. You put your hands over your eyes/ears and say, "blah, blah, blah" You should be ashamed of your ignorance.

we took away the only form of stability those people ever had because we thought they wanted us to

Stability, you a..wipe?!!!? A brutal dictator? Want some polling data regarding support for the U.S. invasion.

wait, why am I saying we

your courrupt, poisonous, murdering leader took away their stability so that his friends could make millions of dollars

have a nice day

What's the excuse for your party? I want you to show me where Bush made or will make a dime off of Iraq.

One single dime either now or in the future.

DO YOU REALLY THINK that "his buddies" are even in the top 1,000,000,000 reasons Bush went into Iraq?

By the way, your BDS is sickening.

Oh, thanks. I will have a nice day. You could make it better if you educated yourself. Then I wouldn't have to worry about a Spartan embarrassing himself in front of other alumni.

[GRR Spartan]

Maybe polynikes and Oscar will go over there and win the war for the GOP

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

polling data

Translate. Are you saying that recent polling data in Iraq is unfavorable to the invasion or the U.S.?

Or are you castigating polling in general?

Let me know so I can slam your ignorance.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by GRR Spartan

Maybe polynikes and Oscar will go over there and win the war for the GOP

I wouldn't take you, fraud.

I wouldn't want you anywhere near dangerous situations. I'd be worried about you stabbing us in the back.

[ninowesco]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

I wouldn't take you, fraud.

I wouldn't want you anywhere near dangerous situations. I'd be worried about you stabbing us in the back.

You don't really need to worry about that since you're too much of a paper tiger to go yourself.

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by ninowesco

You don't really need to worry about that since you're too much of a paper tiger to go yourself.

I'd bet you any amount of money I've had more trigger time than your cowardly a....

Shall we wager?