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#21 Otis Wiley
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Originally Posted by TheDoctorIsIn
You get his point. A majority of Americans do not want to see it overturned, so attempting to get the SCOTUS to do it would be "judicial tyranny"
Jokey just likes to be an ass instead of respecting his superiors....which would be anyone with his pulse.
I can't wait to see him justify banning gay marriage with an immigration or maritime law case.
If Roe is Overturned Abortion will again be illegal in many states.
If Roe is overturned, a ban on abortion in all or most circumstances is likely in the many states dominated by anti-abortion majorities, particularly in the South. In thirty-one states, women are at risk of having their reproductive rights significantly restricted due to pre-existing bans (NARAL).
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Dollars to doughnuts says that a VAST majority of Americans either:
A) Doesn't know even know what Roe v. Wade is, or
B) Doesn't understand the ramifications of it being overturned
Dollars to bite sized Donuts says that a VAST majority of Americans do not understand all of the ramifications of a gay marriage ban. Most believe it just stops them from getting a traditional marriage.
Why are people talking about abortion and interracial crap? I thought this was about same sex marriage?
Anyway, I have no problem with gays. I have two gay friends. I don't even care if gays are married. How about we keep the debate about gay people getting married.
Why are people talking about abortion and interracial crap? I thought this was about same sex marriage?
Anyway, I have no problem with gays. I have two gay friends. I don't even care if gays are married. How about we keep the debate about gay people getting married.
You seem pretty apathetic about this. Go out and purchase an opinion.
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#21 Otis Wiley
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Originally Posted by Ybob
Why are people talking about abortion and interracial crap? I thought this was about same sex marriage?
Anyway, I have no problem with gays. I have two gay friends. I don't even care if gays are married. How about we keep the debate about gay people getting married.
Well, in this decision the Supreme Court of CA leaned on the holding in the 1948 case that overturned the bans on interracial marriages. Basically they looked at the bans on prohibiting a type of marriage and decided they were similar and that there was no legal justification for upholding one ban yet overturning another.
Also, during the debate for an against interracial marriage many of the same arguments opponents of overturning the VA ban on interracial are used in the gay marriage ban: against tradition, not God's plan, unnatural, only for the purpose of physical gratification. That is why interracial marriage comes into play in this debate.
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I haven't been following this thread all day. (I've been working for once). But I was listening to PBS for a while in the car and they were talking about the gay marriage supreme court stuff and I got to thinking. Do I really give a **** if two homosexuals want to get married? Why should I care? Why should it matter who they marry, male or female. It's not like they're going to come force themselves into my life. It's their life and they can do what they damn well want to with it and government should stay the f out of it.
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I haven't been following this thread all day. (I've been working for once). But I was listening to PBS for a while in the car and they were talking about the gay marriage supreme court stuff and I got to thinking. Do I really give a **** if two homosexuals want to get married? Why should I care? Why should it matter who they marry, male or female. It's not like they're going to come force themselves into my life. It's their life and they can do what they damn well want to with it and government should stay the f out of it.
That was kinda my feeling too. If you asked me several years ago what I thought of it, I'd say no way. But then someone asked me why I really care, and I didn't really have a reason other than instinctively feeling it was too far out of the norm. Just didn't seem right that my initial feeling about it should stop them from marrying.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 )
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2)
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20Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
24Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. - 1 Corinthians 7
The Bible gives individuals instructions about how to live within the institution of slavery, but that doesn't mean it condones slavery. The instruction is toward our personal lives, not the institutions. 'Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's'. That's what it says....
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It seems pretty obvious that social morays are begining to shift on this topic, just as they did with interracial marriage 50 years ago. Here's a thought experiment:
The question: "Should marriage between homosexual partners be permitted"
Imagine what % of the pre-baby boomer population would answer the question yes vs what % of the post baby-boomer population would answer the question yes.
Of course the trouble with this experiment is we each get to make up our own statistics but to me it's pretty clear that the later generations would have a significantly higher percent of respondants answering yes.
Now project your answer fifty years into the future...I think that all fifty states will allow gay marriage. I also think that similar to interracial marriage today, some individuals will still find it unsettling
It seems pretty obvious that social morays are begining to shift on this topic, just as they did with interracial marriage 50 years ago. Here's a thought experiment:
The question: "Should marriage between homosexual partners be permitted"
Imagine what % of the pre-baby boomer population would answer the question yes vs what % of the post baby-boomer population would answer the question yes.
Of course the trouble with this experiment is we each get to make up our own statistics but to me it's pretty clear that the later generations would have a significantly higher percent of respondants answering yes.
Now project your answer fifty years into the future...I think that all fifty states will allow gay marriage. I also think that similar to interracial marriage today, some individuals will still find it unsettling
One can perform a similar thought experiment with adultery, polygamy, pedophilia, and beastiality. Perhaps the day will come when social mores shift to accept any sexual activity whatsoever.
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#21 Otis Wiley
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Originally Posted by danb
One can perform a similar thought experiment with adultery, polygamy, pedophilia, and beastiality. Perhaps the day will come when social mores shift to accept any sexual activity whatsoever.
wow, your stupidity and ignorance knows no bounds with this statement. You've lost the argument, time to pack it in instead of going down this road.
One can perform a similar thought experiment with adultery, polygamy, pedophilia, and beastiality. Perhaps the day will come when social mores shift to accept any sexual activity whatsoever.
Your point is applicable, and I suspect at least (I have no quote to back this) that the opponents of interracial marriage also made reference to this "slippery slope" type argument.
My post wasn't intended as a personal approval of homosexual marriage, merely to point out that the social conscious of the nation is shifting. It is also as you point out becoming more liberal on all forms of sexual activity. Personally I hope some of these take longer than others....with any luck I'll pass from the world before folks start marrying chickens.
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