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06-23-2008, 10:20 PM
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McCain advisor: "a terrorist attack would certainly help [John McCain win the election]"
The GOP wishing for another attack so they can keep power
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06-23-2008, 10:21 PM
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06-23-2008, 10:59 PM
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I'm going to hand our conservative friends an olive branch here, and call this a stupid comment by someone which does not reflect the views of McCain.
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06-23-2008, 11:30 PM
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No way McCain endorses it, but the statement is probably right. If something goes down, people are going to forget about universal health care, forget about alternative energy, the economy, etc, and think about retribution and security above all, at least long enough for McCain to put it to use and make this election a lot closer than is currently being reported. That said, wow. Does anyone in the McCain camp know how to deliver comments or speeches?
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06-23-2008, 11:38 PM
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Uh oh. The righties on this board have accused Democrats of cheering the deaths in Iraq because the righties think those deaths are politically advantageous for Democrats. Have the righties been hoping for another terrorist attack on America?
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06-23-2008, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Negotiator
No way McCain endorses it, but the statement is probably right. If something goes down, people are going to forget about universal health care, forget about alternative energy, the economy, etc, and think about retribution and security above all, at least long enough for McCain to put it to use and make this election a lot closer than is currently being reported. That said, wow. Does anyone in the McCain camp know how to deliver comments or speeches?
Black: "I deeply regret the comments. They were inappropriate."
Inappropriate... but accurate.
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How can you even be sure they're accurate? Bush has failed to arrest the anthrax attackers, kill Bin Laden, secure Afghanistan, or secure peace and security in Iraq. What makes you think America will hand the Republicans ANOTHER chance??
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06-23-2008, 11:53 PM
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How can you even be sure they're accurate? Bush has failed to arrest the anthrax attackers, kill Bin Laden, secure Afghanistan, or secure peace and security in Iraq. What makes you think America will hand the Republicans ANOTHER chance??
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Most people have forgotten about anthrax, a good chunk could care less about Afghanistan and the people in it... but if someone blew up the Statue of Liberty, they're gonna run to the military man, not the guy saying "let's talk with other nations" and "let's get out of Iraq." I'm not saying it would be sufficient to get McCain elected, but it would certainly make this race more interesting since it plays to McCain's background. Even the staunchest Obama supporter would be very hard-pressed to say that such an event would swing things further in Obama's favor.
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06-24-2008, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Negotiator
Most people have forgotten about anthrax, a good chunk could care less about Afghanistan and the people in it... but if someone blew up the Statue of Liberty, they're gonna run to the military man, not the guy saying "let's talk with other nations" and "let's get out of Iraq." I'm not saying it would be sufficient to get McCain elected, but it would certainly make this race more interesting since it plays to McCain's background. Even the staunchest Obama supporter would be very hard-pressed to say that such an event would swing things further in Obama's favor.
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You're half correct. I don't think it would give Obama a gain, but would lose McCain a few votes.
Fact of the matter is that most Americans still give the national security nod to the Republicans for preventing another attack since 9/11. Another terrorist attack would erode that trust - I guess we can agree to disagree.
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06-24-2008, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Negotiator
No way McCain endorses it, but the statement is probably right. If something goes down, people are going to forget about universal health care, forget about alternative energy, the economy, etc, and think about retribution and security above all, at least long enough for McCain to put it to use and make this election a lot closer than is currently being reported. That said, wow. Does anyone in the McCain camp know how to deliver comments or speeches?
Black: "I deeply regret the comments. They were inappropriate."
Inappropriate... but accurate.
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I guess Im in the minority. I would look at is as another W failure for the country.
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06-24-2008, 09:04 AM
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there is no doubt that the public would be swayed to mccain if there were an attack... whether you think its the right or wrong reaction.
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06-24-2008, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Negotiator
Most people have forgotten about anthrax, a good chunk could care less about Afghanistan and the people in it... but if someone blew up the Statue of Liberty, they're gonna run to the military man, not the guy saying "let's talk with other nations" and "let's get out of Iraq." I'm not saying it would be sufficient to get McCain elected, but it would certainly make this race more interesting since it plays to McCain's background. Even the staunchest Obama supporter would be very hard-pressed to say that such an event would swing things further in Obama's favor.
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Afghanistan? What's that? Didn't we finish that job in May 2003?
What?
The Taliban are still around? Aw shucks...I guess we should have finished the task in the first place instead of throwing money/troops in a falsely-led war, that is now more volatile than it was before.
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06-24-2008, 09:22 AM
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Wouldn't it prove that the Republican strategy failed to keep us safe
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06-24-2008, 09:37 AM
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I'm going to hand our conservative friends an olive branch here, and call this a stupid comment by someone which does not reflect the views of McCain.
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Yep. I'll bet McCain would choose to lose the election rather than have a terrrorist attack hit the U.S.
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06-24-2008, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Negotiator
No way McCain endorses it, but the statement is probably right. If something goes down, people are going to forget about universal health care, forget about alternative energy, the economy, etc, and think about retribution and security above all, at least long enough for McCain to put it to use and make this election a lot closer than is currently being reported. That said, wow. Does anyone in the McCain camp know how to deliver comments or speeches?
Black: "I deeply regret the comments. They were inappropriate."
Inappropriate... but accurate.
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Indeed. You don't turn to a novice with no credentials and a weak-a.. stance on terrorism when attacked.
Of course, even without an attack, one wonders why you'd take that chance.
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06-24-2008, 10:01 AM
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since terrorism is the one topic that McCain is leading Obama, it is probably one of those thing that they say privately... but don't say publicy for fear of what has happened
The more the focus is on healthcare, education, the ecomony.... the more it favors Obama...
an attack would bring it back to national security... and that would bring him back into play
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thanks for this gem at half time.....09/01/07....UM vs 1-AA Appalachian State
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06-24-2008, 10:09 AM
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since terrorism is the one topic that McCain is leading Obama, it is probably one of those thing that they say privately... but don't say publicy for fear of what has happened
The more the focus is on healthcare, education, the ecomony.... the more it favors Obama...
an attack would bring it back to national security... and that would bring him back into play
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"back into play?"
You do know that the newsweek poll was a big-time outlier?
You do know that most people aren't paying attention?
It's axiomatic that the election gets serious after Labor Day.
Did you notice McCain fundraising for May of this year?
He's ramping it up.
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06-24-2008, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sarcyspice
since terrorism is the one topic that McCain is leading Obama, it is probably one of those thing that they say privately... but don't say publicy for fear of what has happened
The more the focus is on healthcare, education, the ecomony.... the more it favors Obama...
an attack would bring it back to national security... and that would bring him back into play
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By the way, McCain is taking Energy as another of his issues.
His offshore drilling and offering $300 million to develop better batteries is right on.
I'm getting more enthused with his candidacy as time goes on.
Americans respond to leadership. When they go to the pump, they are going to wonder which candidate can drop the prices.
That would be McCain.
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06-24-2008, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Polynikes
By the way, McCain is taking Energy as another of his issues.
His offshore drilling and offering $300 million to develop better batteries is right on.
I'm getting more enthused with his candidacy as time goes on.
Americans respond to leadership. When they go to the pump, they are going to wonder which candidate can drop the prices.
That would be McCain.
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He might be offering 300 million.... but how long is the super duper battery going to take to become reality????? 5 yrs??? 10 yrs????? 20 yrs?????
and as for offshore drilling..... if he was to close the "enron loophole" and outlaw the speculators..... independant analyst reckon that it would bring down the price of a barrel of oil 1/3 - 1/2
but he won't do that.. because one of his main "advisors" is the guy who lobbied to put it in......
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thanks for this gem at half time.....09/01/07....UM vs 1-AA Appalachian State
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06-24-2008, 11:49 AM
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He might be offering 300 million.... but how long is the super duper battery going to take to become reality????? 5 yrs??? 10 yrs????? 20 yrs?????
and as for offshore drilling..... if he was to close the "enron loophole" and outlaw the speculators..... independant analyst reckon that it would bring down the price of a barrel of oil 1/3 - 1/2
but he won't do that.. because one of his main "advisors" is the guy who lobbied to put it in......
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I've heard a lot of hot air regarding this issue. Some of this drivel is: "It will take ten years to drop it 2 cents."
I say: Rubbish. The very minute we start drilling, watch the price of oil fall.
Second, you can't tell me that a mobilized America can't speed that process up dramatically. There are many examples in our history.
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06-24-2008, 12:06 PM
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The very minute we start drilling, watch the price of oil fall.
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only because the speculators might back off a little
but as we've heard from your friends here a million times, the speculators have nothing to do with the price.
so how do you reconcile that?
no increase in supply, no decrease in demand yet the price is going to drop?
that's unpossible.
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06-24-2008, 12:10 PM
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I've heard a lot of hot air regarding this issue. Some of this drivel is: "It will take ten years to drop it 2 cents."
I say: Rubbish. The very minute we start drilling, watch the price of oil fall.
Second, you can't tell me that a mobilized America can't speed that process up dramatically. There are many examples in our history.
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Well, tell the oil companies. They've had the land to drill on for a while now and are doing nothing with it
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06-24-2008, 12:29 PM
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By the way, McCain is taking Energy as another of his issues.
His offshore drilling and offering $300 million to develop better batteries is right on.
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Increased drilling is pure politics and will have very little effect on gas prices. $300M for a new battery is also nothing more than a political gimmick. The financial incentive for new battery technology was already there and has been there for decades. It's like offering a cash reward for discovering the cure for cancer.
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I'm getting more enthused with his candidacy as time goes on.
Americans respond to leadership. When they go to the pump, they are going to wonder which candidate can drop the prices.
That would be McCain.
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The only real solution is to develop alternative energy sources and move beyond oil for energy. McCain's non-solution of more drilling simply maintains the status quo and is pretty much the opposite of leadership. It's gutless.
It's like being grossly overweight because you eat at McDonalds every day, but instead of changing where you eat to some place healthier you decide to just add a salad to your daily double quarter pounder w/ cheese.
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06-24-2008, 12:33 PM
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