tOFFICIAL Libs disgusted by the Slandering of McCain's Military Service thread

[Polynikes]

Originally Posted by LA_Spartan

I didn't acknowledge that your source was valid because it isn't. Everything was written by a swiftee. I don't find him credible, regardless of how many websites he creates.

Also, you have no evidence that Kerry worked for a U.S. defeat. You have memberships in organizations where some people advocated for this, etc., but all the solid evidence simply backs Kerry's assertion that he was trying to stop the war.

You also refuse to acknowledge that the American people were on Kerry's side at the time. You also refuse to acknowledge that history has demonstrated that Kerry was right. You criticize Kerry for what he did when he got home. I think he was a true patriot. Do you think the founding fathers would have sat on their hands during an unjust was for the fear of appearing unpatriotic? Without the anti-war movement and people like Kerry, thousands more Americans would have died. You can criticize his tactics, but he saved American lives.



Are you 7? You want to dictate who can speak, what they have to say and what sources they use. Great discussion.

So the document in question is forged? If it isn't forged, then you have to acknowledge it NO MATTER WHO IS BRINGING IT UP.

What kind of existence do you lead if you only believe things written by one of your pals?

john kerry worked for defeat.

I have a problem discussing things with you. I know that if I quote other sources, you will ignore the information and attack the sources.

See the problem? I can find these through other sources. Yet, I know full well that it will end in the same place: You don't want to believe it. Therefore, you'll do everything you can to keep yourself in willfull ignorance of the facts.

That makes it very difficult for me to justify spending time on you. I get exactly zero relevant feedback. I learn exactly nothing from you. It has to be a quid pro quo or it isn't worth anything.

I do know that is how your side operates. Obfuscate issues. Attack sources.

I would think that if your positions were so strong, you could stick to the information presented without all the dodging.

I would also think you'd be interested in converting others to your point of view. Yet, I have to tell you, your tactics are not likely to convert anyone who thinks through the issues.

[LA_Spartan]

Originally Posted by Polynikes

I would think that if your positions were so strong, you could stick to the information presented without all the dodging.

OK, let's assume all of your posts are 100% accurate. You have 2 documents drafted by Vietnamese people for the purpose of spreading propaganda in Vietnam. Even if we accept Mr. Swett's interpretation that these documents prove that various organizations, including the VVAW, were working closely together, I don't see how this proves that Kerry worked toward defeat. He was a member of the VVAW, but he wasn't running the group. There's no evidence (I don't think there are even allegations) that he passed military secrets or did anything to harm the American soldiers.

Again, let's assume everything you say is correct. There were 20,000 members of the VVAW. That's a lot of veterans who agreed with Kerry. Again, assuming he did all the horrible things you say he did, in 1972 most Americans would not have considered him a traitor. These events happened 36 years ago. You can't take a historical event, strip the historical perspective and judge someone based on today's political environment.

Ironically, when Kerry had contested primary and general races for Congress in 1972, his anti-war view didn't seem to hurt him. And I don't see any evidence that they were an issue when he won contested primary and general races for Senate in 1984. If voters in 1972 and 1984 did not hold his actions against him, when they were fresher in their minds, don't you think it's unfair to judge him so harshly now?

And I haven't been trying to convert you. It's a 36 year old issue. Most of America has moved on and has learned from the mistakes of the Vietnam War. If you haven't done that, I'm not going to change your mind on a message board.